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Thread: Might & Magic announcement at Gamescom'14? This thread is 11 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 · «PREV / NEXT»
Elvin
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posted August 08, 2014 06:42 PM

You already were, nothing new The hype is definitely working though. And we're less than one week away!
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Nelgirith
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posted August 08, 2014 06:48 PM

red_flag said:
How it to you: type in Google mmh7, then choose pictures, then 24 hours filter and you will see this: http://www.might-and-magic.ru/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-3-0-13554300-1407514808.jpg
Try yourself

I typed MMH6 and the picture appeared too

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Stevie
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posted August 08, 2014 06:50 PM
Edited by Stevie at 18:53, 08 Aug 2014.

Tho insiders are fanboys by default. No no, they're bigger than that, they're fanboy Kings! So check yo privilege next time you try making intelligent remarks, Elvis!

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posted August 08, 2014 06:51 PM

Nelgirith said:
I typed MMH6 and the picture appeared too

I think "MMH" the key

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Storm-Giant
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posted August 08, 2014 06:56 PM

red_flag said:
Nelgirith said:
I typed MMH6 and the picture appeared too

I think "MMH" the key

And "MMH" is as telling as "MMH7", isn't it?
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Elvin
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posted August 08, 2014 06:58 PM

Stevie said:
Tho insiders are fanboys by default. No no, they're bigger than that, they're fanboy Kings!

JJ is hardly a fanboy. Your argument is invalid!
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posted August 08, 2014 07:08 PM

JJ is hardly a human being. I won't ever acknowledge him. But YOU on the other hand!.. I didn't see you denying anything, fanboy King!

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Dexter
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posted August 08, 2014 07:56 PM
Edited by Dexter at 19:56, 08 Aug 2014.

Stevie said:
JJ is hardly a human being. I won't ever acknowledge him. But YOU on the other hand!.. I didn't see you denying anything, fanboy King!


You've won the Internet with this remark Stevie!

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posted August 08, 2014 08:34 PM

Thanks Dexter. I used to watch you when I was little

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Storm-Giant
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posted August 08, 2014 08:36 PM

Elvin said:
Stevie said:
Tho insiders are fanboys by default. No no, they're bigger than that, they're fanboy Kings!

JJ is hardly a fanboy. Your argument is invalid!

JJ is a fanboy of H4!!

Which isn't necessarily bad
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posted August 09, 2014 05:34 PM

I wonder if they will try a 2D style game. It would be a bold move, but I would definitely like to see that.

And c'mon UBI, you already have so much $$$. Pour some in making this game a polished one (assuming we will get Heroes 7 not some Online s*it, because anything other than H7 does not interest me)...

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Storm-Giant
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posted August 09, 2014 05:47 PM

I...don't see them switching back to 2D. As much I would love to see that, I think they'll stick to 3D, it's what sells nowadays
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War-overlord
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posted August 09, 2014 07:36 PM

Storm-Giant said:
I...don't see them switching back to 2D. As much I would love to see that, I think they'll stick to 3D, it's what sells nowadays

Whereas I would agree with the likelyhood of it being in 3D, I doubt it is because "2D don't sell".
3D is not what sells games, graphics isn't what sells games. Not realy. Gameplay sells games. Stories sells games. Many big sellers aren't the best lookers nowadays, most are by today's standard good but nothing to write home about. And some, like Minecraft, are downright cr@p when it comes to graphics and that sold through the roof. Graphics don't sell games, but bad graphics may detract sales. But it's the Gameplay and the Story that sells the games.

No the reason they will stick to 3D is because of Graphics Studios. Most Graphics Studios specialise in 3D, which means that 3D is in good supply. Studios that specialise in 2D are few and far between and the good ones know their worth. 2D is expensive, 3D is in big supply which forces down the price. So unless you can do things inhouse (And let's face it, Heroes/M&M ain't no Assassin's Creed. Ubi is not going to develop this inhouse), or find a dev with the capabilities to do things in 2D (which will be reflected in the cost), the graphics will be outsourced to a Graphics Studio who will do things in 3D. Cost is what makes Heroes 3D.
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Elvin
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posted August 09, 2014 07:38 PM

Indeed. I was surprised to hear of this too.
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posted August 09, 2014 07:52 PM

Unless you show some proof of that, it's just hearsay. I'm having a hard time believing 2D is higher priced than 3D. It's like trying to convince someone that the majority of browser games have better graphics. I don't know about that...

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Storm-Giant
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posted August 09, 2014 07:57 PM

Indeed 3D is cheaper, can't but agre on that.

But I still think beautiful 3D graphics have a signifcant impact in game sales, there are people who will probably won't play a game if it isn't 3D.

And good gameplay/story doesn't necessarily sell great. Just look at StarCraft 2/Diablo 3, story and gameplay are awful in comparision with SC1/D2, but they still sell more because they are made by Blizzard. Reviews, and brand names also matter, of course.
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LucPatenaude
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posted August 09, 2014 08:24 PM

I am one of those who will not go back to 2D graphics for PC gaming.

That is the only reason I shelved Elemental: War of Magic.

That game has awful 2D graphics that even lack in coloring FCOL.

Everything is being developed in 3D as for the cause that the TV program of Beast Wars as been made in 3D since the middle of the 90's + Animated movies are all about 3D cartoons that specializes in Japan anime type of background lifelike drawing.

The real life immersion type of 3D for gaming is coming in a very big way. Starting with movies of all kinds and, then, to computer animation rendering.

I even read that Holographic projection rooms might make their early debut in the next very few decades from now(2034 as a max. projected deadline for its full fledge commercial use of it, world-wide).

BTW: Windows 9(code named Threshold) is about to be released any time soon. So, no turning back to the very old days of the 20th century, dudes.


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Stevie
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posted August 09, 2014 08:27 PM

So I had to look if 3D is indeed cheaper than 2D on the net to convince myself if it is true or not. Well, I've got my answer pretty soon, just listen to this guy responding to someone interested on the issue:

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To answer your question, here are some factor of assets cost, as a factor of time, skill and quality of the resulting art.

To make sense, shall we quantify that we are talking about a single asset. A game character.

The pricing will differ greatly, not between 3d & 2d, it will differ between professional experienced artists and skilful amateurs. It will also differ if you decide to use outsourcing.

Now, lets look at 2D vs. 3D, again, the cost will differ a lot based on the amount of animation the character requires, more animation = more work. That being said, it is generally less time consuming to animate in 3d because of advanced software that offers tools like bones. When animating a 2d character, the artist has to in most cases(unless using cut-out style rotating limbs) render each frame of animation by hand, that is a very time consuming process. Generally per character, it is nearly completely obvious from a technical perspective that building one 3d character with basic animations, is more expansive than one 2d character in the same 'league' of quality. Why is that?

Well, when building a 3d character, you need to construct a model, create a uv-map, paint a texture, rig the bones and then animate it. Since it is 3d, it has to look good from every angle, so a lot more thought and work has to be put into examining the model from various angles while animating and constructing it. Also, because of the technical aspects of UV-mapping and rigging - bones, certain software related issues could rear their ugly head and the artist will have to face these technical issues.

You can normally only see 2d characters from one angle, so that is worked out, there is no use of advance software need to create classic animation. That said, animating something like King Of Fighters takes great mastery, knowledge and dedication.

So the short answer is yes, 3d is more pricey in terms of work hours. high level 2d animation is also very pricy. The previous two comments are less prevalent than the choice between outsourcing vs. working with someone in the same office and the choice between taking on someone who has proven experience vs. a skilled amateur. The most important variable is the scale of the project. Also, remember that if you take a 3d-modeler you would probably have to hire a level designer as well, cause a professional character modeler might is not very likely interested to be involved at all in level design. A 2d artist that can design characters well is likely a reliable source for background art too.

I suggest you ask several artists and compare their proposals.

Good luck.


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And it's not just him saying that. On every site I've been on people say the same thing.

So technically speaking, 3D is obviously costing more than 2D.

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Elvin
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posted August 09, 2014 08:28 PM

Yeah because H3 was so ugly
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Kronos1000
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posted August 09, 2014 09:36 PM
Edited by Kronos1000 at 21:37, 09 Aug 2014.

Well the hype they're building seems to be working since I'm here I'm actually looking forward to a new Heroes game, now let's hope Ubisoft learnt from their mistakes (one can dream right ).

I think it would be great it would be in 2D, if done right it could give the game a really unique feel. Though I don't see this happening any time soon.

Having said that, we don't even know whether the new game will even be a Heroes game.
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