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Dave_Jame
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posted August 31, 2014 09:55 AM

fred79 said:
wyverns have only legs, dragons have arms AND legs.

Depends on your culture. Some don't make the difference in it.

As for me. I dont take Wyverns as dragons, due to their more animalistic nature.
I would like to see only 3 dragons in the game.
Green/emerald, Shadow/Black, Bone/Ghost
I think most other factions have enought alternatives for a champions.
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posted August 31, 2014 09:56 AM

fred79 said:
wyverns have only legs, dragons have arms AND legs.



You were saying?
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posted August 31, 2014 09:59 AM
Edited by fred79 at 10:01, 31 Aug 2014.

Dave_Jame said:
fred79 said:
wyverns have only legs, dragons have arms AND legs.

Depends on your culture. Some don't make the difference in it.



wyvern

vs.

dragon

i remembered the difference, when i was looking up new types of monsters for consideration for my Fear faction. that, and names for the Fear heroes(different monsters in cultures around the world).

Avonu said:
fred79 said:
wyverns have only legs, dragons have arms AND legs.



You were saying?


lol. movies, games, books, etc.; can bend creatures to their own wills. even mythical ones.

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Dave_Jame
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posted August 31, 2014 10:03 AM
Edited by Dave_Jame at 10:07, 31 Aug 2014.

I know the difference but this is only culturally based. This may be true for example in english, but what about a language and culture that uses the same term for both creatures? That just don't have the need to separate them.

Quote:
lol. movies, games, books, etc.; can bend creatures to their own wills. even mythical ones.


And with this line you just dug your grave. Ubi makes games (and books and a movie) and they bend the Wyvern to their will ;-).
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posted August 31, 2014 10:06 AM
Edited by Avonu at 10:07, 31 Aug 2014.

fred79 said:
lol. movies, games, books, etc.; can bend creatures to their own wills. even mythical ones.

That's the point - what we called today wyvern in past was "a serpent", "a snake" or what you have you linked a "winged two-footed dragon".

Besides "dragon" is not always huge flying reptillian but sometimes somthing real (English version).
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posted August 31, 2014 11:55 AM
Edited by fred79 at 11:58, 31 Aug 2014.

Dave_Jame said:
Quote:
lol. movies, games, books, etc.; can bend creatures to their own wills. even mythical ones.


And with this line you just dug your grave. Ubi makes games (and books and a movie) and they bend the Wyvern to their will ;-).


lol, i've never played an ubisoft heroes game, so i wouldn't know.


@ avonu: don't forget komodo dragons. or these:



video of flying dragon lizard

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NACHOOOO
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posted August 31, 2014 01:37 PM

Haven, Academy, Stronghold, Necro, Sylvan?, Dungeon?.

I can handle dragons with this line up if it's limited to 2 factions which for me would be Sylvan and Dungeon (dependant on voting of course), just please find something cooler in undeath than a bone dragon.

I don't hate on dragons, I just think they were over used previous to 6. Give me something different from faction to faction rather than the same thing every time. At the end of the day at least there's going to be an alternative option at the champion level.

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posted August 31, 2014 02:28 PM

Dave_Jame said:
Depends on your culture. Some don't make the difference in it.

This

Dave_Jame said:
As for me. I dont take Wyverns as dragons, due to their more animalistic nature.

+1

Dave_Jame said:
I would like to see only 3 dragons in the game.
Green/emerald, Shadow/Black, Bone/Ghost
I think most other factions have enought alternatives for a champions.

Personally I'd love to try something else on Necro, like Death Reaper + Death Knights, or sth like that. Since Skeletons/Ghosts/Liches/Vamps aren't going anywhere, repeating Bone dragons too would be quite repetitive (and have in my I like Bone dragons).
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MattII
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posted August 31, 2014 10:59 PM

This double champion system will likely see more dragons, but I'm not happy about it.

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Galaad
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posted September 02, 2014 10:55 AM
Edited by Galaad at 11:01, 02 Sep 2014.

fred79 said:

lol, i've never played an ubisoft heroes game, so i wouldn't know.
While I completely understand that, too bad you missed H5, maybe the best gameplay in the series, imo. Too bad for graphics though.. Xuxo's textures helps and Quantomas AI (Eternal Essence) too

Edit : To stay on topic, of course I'd like dragons as champions back !!

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Lord_Immortal
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posted September 02, 2014 12:56 PM

Of course. Heroes of Might and Magic wouldn't be Heroes of Might and Magic without Dragons. They've been in since the very first game.

However, I think their presence should be limited, somehow. Dungeon, Sanctuary and Necropolis only should have dragons.

Fortress and Stronghold only Dragonlike creatures.

Dungeon with the classical Red->Black Dragons. Necropolis with the Bone->Ghost. Sanctuary with the Kirin.

Fortress(if it will be in) must have Lindwyrms. In Norse Mythology Lindwyrms are giant snakes that breathe fire.

Stronghold should have Wyvern->Paokai, but as Elite. I'd like to see Cyclops and Behemoth as Stronghold Champion.

As for Sylvan, I don't think Green Dragons are a good idea. Dendroids and Unicorn for champion. Elite would be Pegasus Riders, Druids and White Tigers while Core would be Archers, Bladedancers and Pixies.

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Brukernavn
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posted September 02, 2014 04:20 PM

I never liked bone dragons. They are the equivalent of a light dragon for Haven or a stone dragon for Stronghold etc. Boring and unimaginative. It also looks weak. A reaper suits Necropolis better.

Dungeon should have black dragons, and maybe Sylvian can have a fairy dragons or something. Just not a big dragon with a different colour. The Kirin is also OK - a different kind of dragon.

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Danny
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posted September 02, 2014 04:44 PM

^I agree, Bone Dragons are the worst, but I generally find the concept of undead uninspired and way overdone in fantasy stuff, they are always obligatory with the medieval knights...

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Nocturnal
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posted September 02, 2014 07:56 PM

First of all: it's great that we're going to have 2 champions for each faction. But I hope a hero will only be able to have just on of them and will have to choose.

And I don't want Dragons. They are the gods in Ashan. They should remain as gods. We shouldn't be able to use them. Not even fight them as boss fights.
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ChrisD1
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posted September 02, 2014 08:01 PM

Nocturnal said:


And I don't want Dragons. They are the gods in Ashan. They should remain as gods. We shouldn't be able to use them. Not even fight them as boss fights.


AGAIN YES!!!!!!!!!!!! please why do you people think they are good in ashan? are they "avatars"? are they the gods themselves?children of the gods? and why should their children be IDENTICAL to the gods? come on nostalgia or not, before heroes 5, DRAGONS DO NOT MAKE SENSE!
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Brukernavn
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posted September 02, 2014 08:28 PM

I don't care if it doesn't makes sense. A lot of things don't make sense in Heroes, but I still like it. I like dragons, but I don't like the lore. So I want dragons, and I don't care about the lore

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ChrisD1
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posted September 02, 2014 09:06 PM

Brukernavn said:
I don't care if it doesn't makes sense. A lot of things don't make sense in Heroes, but I still like it. I like dragons, but I don't like the lore. So I want dragons, and I don't care about the lore

then i say some people want the full experience with lore and the gameplay in check, then you say what you said (which is cool), so you partly answered my question and raise another one. which might need a new thread.
do you care about the storyline of the game or you just play for the fun of it?
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Storm-Giant
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posted September 02, 2014 10:21 PM

Brukernavn said:
I never liked bone dragons. They are the equivalent of a light dragon for Haven or a stone dragon for Stronghold etc. Boring and unimaginative. It also looks weak.

Bone dragon can be boring, but Ghost/Spectral dragons can make for cool gameplay imo.
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posted September 02, 2014 11:51 PM

That's because they have always looked rather plain in heroes. But they would look awesome with the right design and appropriate specials. Also.. while dragons are kind of overused, bone dragons do fill the huge skeletal creation slot A bone golem could also work if it looked twisted enough. The concept is not particularly inspiring but the end result could be.

Not quite what I was looking for but still.. not half bad.
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posted September 03, 2014 12:05 AM

Something like this?




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