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kiryu133
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posted December 06, 2014 10:10 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
H2-H3-H5 Liches are cooler than some half-rotten lady 
goddess of death from an actual mythology > skeleton with staff 
seriously, give her a staff and it'll be practically the same but with an actual root in mythology. win-win if you ask me  .
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Galaad
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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 06, 2014 10:15 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 22:16, 06 Dec 2014.
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@War-overlord & Verriker :
I don't really get why your two are arguing because you both make valid points, and none of you is either yelling or sitting around hue hue hue 
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H2-H3-H5 Liches are cooler
Yep pretty much anything can come next to that. HoMM always had some strong mythological influences, but they are other creatures such as this one that are just as much a part of it.
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verriker
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posted December 06, 2014 10:21 PM |
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Galaad said:
@War-overlord & Verriker :
I don't really get why your two are arguing because you both make valid points, and none of you is either yelling or sitting around hue hue hue
nah not arguing anymore, I thought he was intent on dismissing the thread but it was just a misunderstanding, he elaborated his opinion in his post
and now back to your regularly scheduled hue hue hue lol
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GenyaArikado
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posted December 06, 2014 11:12 PM |
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why not both
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Storm-Giant
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posted December 07, 2014 12:14 AM |
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How many times I've seeing that pic this week?
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Galaad
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posted December 07, 2014 02:57 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 03:12, 07 Dec 2014.
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Storm-Giant said:
How many times I've seeing that pic this week?
Yes it's also in the Black Knight thread for some reason, certainly doesn't look like a Lich to me
Edit : oh yeah, and it's also in the 1st page of this thread too in case we missed it 
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Lokheit
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posted December 07, 2014 05:58 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
LizardWarrior said:
H2-H3-H5 Liches are cooler than some half-rotten lady
goddess of death from an actual mythology > skeleton with staff
seriously, give her a staff and it'll be practically the same but with an actual root in mythology. win-win if you ask me .
Nah, Hela is by far my favorite from norse mythology, but I don't think she fits here at all.
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GenyaArikado
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posted December 07, 2014 06:06 AM |
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Storm-Giant said:
How many times I've seeing that pic this week?
Not enough times if your brain still hasnt accepted the superiority of it
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MattII
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posted December 07, 2014 09:10 AM |
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Superior isn't the right word, inferior maybe.
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LizardWarrior
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posted December 07, 2014 11:00 AM |
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We just found the opposite of Jeremiah_Emo 
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Darkem
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posted December 07, 2014 11:04 AM |
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Edited by Darkem at 13:37, 07 Dec 2014.
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The concept of Hel is interesting itself, but on the picture you keep posting she looks like a helf-fresh vestal with a cheap Christmas tree in her hands .
It would be ok to get a female Lich, but this unit has always been gender-ambiguous. With a nice concept and good execution rotting lady would make an interesting Lich... Unfortunately we all know Ubi and we can easily imagine how "sexy" form she would take. I don't want Lilim 2.0. Nope, Liches deserve more.
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Galaad
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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 07, 2014 11:12 AM |
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This is the Lich thread, so I'm going to post it.
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RMZ1989
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posted December 07, 2014 12:06 PM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 12:09, 07 Dec 2014.
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LizardWarrior said:
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We just found the opposite of Jeremiah_Emo
Yeah, you have already posted that and it was funny. Now when I saw his comments I wouldn't be surprised if it is just a second account of JE for the sake of trolling us.
Darkem said:
The concept of Hel is interesting itself, but on the picture you keep posting she looks like a helf-fresh vestal with a cheap Christmas tree in her hands .
It would be ok to get a female Lich, but this unit has always been gender-ambiguous. With a nice concept and good execution rotting lady would make an interesting Lich... Unfortunately we all know Ubi and we can easily imagine how "sexy" form she would take. I don't want Lilim 2.0. Nope, Liches deserves more.
I don't think that they will make a female Lich, probably because Ghosts, Specters and Banshees are already females, and even though we might not see all of them, I don't think we need another female unit in Necropolis. Vampires also can be females, but I seriously doubt it with introduction of Vampire Knights.
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kiryu133
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posted December 07, 2014 12:24 PM |
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chances of female Lich probably depends heavily on weather they go for a mythological unit or not. As far as i know, and i don't know much about this granted, there are not many well-known Liches myth around the world and the defining characteristic of a lich is more or less "undead mage", something a Hel-like creature would perfectly personify, being
1. half-dead, or "undead" if you will.
2. relatively well-known character of myth easily turned into a unit.
it's just a woman with half her body decomposed. you could easily turn that into a classical lich and he only prerequisites would be that it's female and that half it's body dead. give it a staff and robe and voila! classical heroes lich with clear ties to myth.
won't say the oldschool liches are bad, however h3 particularly felt a bit overdesigned (with all that bling, i mean crowns? really?) though they certainly got the feel down. all you would do is add a bit of flesh and replace a chromosome. pretty fair deal for some sweet myth-ties if you ask me
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Stevie
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posted December 07, 2014 01:02 PM |
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kiryu133
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posted December 07, 2014 01:08 PM |
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Stevie said:
How exactly is this a lich? This is a zombie or an undead acolyte more than anything.
pt her on the ground and replace weird sword-arm with a skeletal hand holding a staff and you got yourself an un-upgraded lich. or a lich acolyte if you will
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Stevie
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posted December 07, 2014 01:24 PM |
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Galaad
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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 07, 2014 01:26 PM |
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Not only I don't get why Liches would levitate, but I also don't like the idea. Please, Lich on ground. If it's skeletal -and the poll so far suggests that it should be- then the gender doesn't come much onto consideration anyway.
Also, that rotten lady doesn't fit AT ALL 
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Zombi_Wizzard
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posted December 07, 2014 04:14 PM |
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@GenyaArikado & kiryu133: NO just .... NO. That lady can never serve as a lich. I don't have anything against female units being in the game but this just dosen't fit. You can talk Norse mythology and Hel all you want, but Hel is NOT Lich - ffs! It's ok to take creatures from mythology and change them a bit to include them in game, but you can't just hammer in anything.
Hel = godess of underworld,
Lich = (usualy evil) Wizard/Mage/Sorceror, who seeks immortality by usualy binding his soul to remote object (phylactery) via forbiden/dark/evil magic ritual.
Gee dosen't this sound like EXACTLEY the same??!
Lich has no mythological origin except (as Rakshasa92 mentioned) Koschei. However, it has been a part of almost every (modern) fantasy game, including HOMM, and in almost all cases it fits description i mentioned above. Most likely it came from The Lord of the Rings, just like almost all modern fantasy beings. You can have her in game as some sort of witch, or insipiration for one of the hero selections, but not lich.
Now please stop spamming that picture all over forums. It's not even some amazing art (i have seen better pictures of Hel tbh). (luckily) the idea of this becoming a lich is so ridiculous, that i think it has almost zero chance to become realized in game. Even Ubi wouldn't mess it us to bad.
And lastly this thread is about whether lich is better skeletal or not, and has therfore nothing to do with all of this.
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LizardWarrior
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posted December 07, 2014 05:05 PM |
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Koschei is a pretty well defined mythich ancestor of the lich because:
-he's immortal
-koschei comes from the word "kost" which means bone, i.e: skeletal appearence
-he's a king/royalty this explains liches' royal attire
-he uses magic
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