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posted December 11, 2014 07:42 PM |
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kayna said:
In a world where police get increasingly pussey by shooting guns every single moment they fear for their lives like when some unarmed black guy walks down a staircase or reach for his ID papers in his car, maybe police robots would be better.
Yeah I have zero love for the police... line of work where you get to carry a gun tends to attract a certain kind of ****ed up people.
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posted December 11, 2014 07:56 PM |
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We've seen that in the US their procedures to pick out good officers aren't always recommendable, but Sweden doesn't have this kind of problem or does it?
I remember e.g. from military that a person who was very interested in going to war, try to kill, etc. had no chance to get in.. because they didn't look for that.
Edit: The US also have a big problem with their "acceptable appliance of power used when thought your life is in danger" for police officers. Too often (more than 0) we've seen drawn out and used guns in cases where it wasn't necessary and they'd other methods.. because they estimated the situation completely wrong.
I am not sure it's so much the law itself that's the problem, more that those who're enforcing it aren't good enough so they make wrong predictions.. it's like if you get your regular sports expert to tell you all the outsiders will win all the time and he's still regarded as a sports expert despite of worse score than random predictions would get.
I do think it's always wrong that someone pass..
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posted December 11, 2014 08:42 PM |
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Adrius said:
kayna said:
In a world where police get increasingly pussey by shooting guns every single moment they fear for their lives like when some unarmed black guy walks down a staircase or reach for his ID papers in his car, maybe police robots would be better.
Yeah I have zero love for the police... line of work where you get to carry a gun tends to attract a certain kind of ****ed up people.
Bonus points because automated police can overpower without ever employing lethal means. Unless, of course, criminals decide to take rocket launchers to their crimes. But you can't even sneak those in with a violin case.
EDIT: Though, I don't want to think too much about automated police. Police are always scary, mang.
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posted December 11, 2014 09:53 PM |
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I have a master's degree in Telecommunications, two years of experience in an accredited research institute and a damn good CV. Thing is, I can use it as toilet paper substitute because I'm not a java or C++ programmer. And thus, I can't get a job
C++ programmers you say? I must look closer next time, all I see is either Java, database (SQL) or networking-oriented job (C#). Language doesn't matter, application experience does.
It seems that no one in Poland is interested in innovative system development or architecture, just in simple one-window apps that do nothing but check for online updates.
More general investigations: IT is nicely paid because it creates value out of nothing, at the same time not many people can master it. Another trick is that you can sell arbitrary IT service to someone just because they are dumb.
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However it's not the payment for labor, but the actual work we do which makes survival possible in the first place. The only reason we've payment is for people to work, so we can survive. If robots can do the work, money won't be needed and everyone can get what they beforehand needed a job to be able to get.
That's my vision, however people insist on getting more things rather than work less.
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posted December 11, 2014 11:14 PM |
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Warmonger said:
C++ programmers you say? I must look closer next time, all I see is either Java, database (SQL) or networking-oriented job (C#). Language doesn't matter, application experience does.
It seems that no one in Poland is interested in innovative system development or architecture, just in simple one-window apps that do nothing but check for online updates.
More general investigations: IT is nicely paid because it creates value out of nothing, at the same time not many people can master it. Another trick is that you can sell arbitrary IT service to someone just because they are dumb.
yes, it's mostly creating mind-numbingly boring things. But, point is, those guys really need someone to do it. Unlike in other fields of research, where you're just another burger-flipper to them.
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posted December 12, 2014 06:09 AM |
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EDIT: Though, I don't want to think too much about automated police. Police are always scary, mang.
Yeah, a world that can function without any kind of law enforcement is to be preferred in my opinion.
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posted December 12, 2014 08:56 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 21:11, 12 Dec 2014.
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It seems that no one in Poland is interested in innovative system development or architecture, just in simple one-window apps that do nothing but check for online updates.
why would they be interested in innovations? aren't computers just another support for advertising? 
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However it's not the payment for labor, but the actual work we do which makes survival possible in the first place. The only reason we've payment is for people to work, so we can survive. If robots can do the work, money won't be needed and everyone can get what they beforehand needed a job to be able to get.
I could be wrong, but I would guess people initially worked to survive and didn't need a payment for it.
there is a theory that seems to become a bit popular that some rulers started emitting monetary units, not because people needed them, but because it allowed them to "buy" (technically for free) stuff, without actually have to do any work in return.
and that's how banks work nowadays.
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That's my vision, however people insist on getting more things rather than work less.
though we reached a point where I'm not sure that working more brings us more. to begin, this additionnal work would have to be really productive and not in the sense producing more because cheap quality makes it break quick...
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posted December 12, 2014 09:33 PM |
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Well.. before society as we knew it, I imagine a person did their trade and then tried to trade their product (which could be a service as well.. I'm sure a profession such as prostitution goes long back) for something they wanted and couldn't or wouldn't acquire by themselves.
By having a profession, in stead of having everyone do their best at every task for themselves and their closest, you get the best to do what they're best at.. in the long run, is the idea.
In that case, money is an excellent tool, because while the material that money is made of may not be worth anything particular, that society agrees of a currency so you can save up for trades without having to bring along 30 cows to the market so you can get yourself a new house build. Now you can carry what you need in a bag in stead. Even more importantly, you won't have to rely on someone needing your trade at any particular day, because money can be saved like "proof/bonds of owing a favor" that can be extended to anyone in principle.
The problems is still that people rely on their trade, or before that I imagine relied on being able to take care of themselves or having friends or family to help.. just because an easier system with a common currency, i.e. money, is introduced, does not mean a system where you aren't forced to rely on good health, or whatever, wouldn't be better. I believe it would.
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posted December 12, 2014 09:50 PM |
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In that case, money is an excellent tool, because while the material that money is made of may not be worth anything particular, that society agrees of a currency so you can save up for trades without having to bring along 30 cows to the market so you can get yourself a new house build. Now you can carry what you need in a bag in stead. Even more importantly, you won't have to rely on someone needing your trade at any particular day, because money can be saved like "proof/bonds of owing a favor" that can be extended to anyone in principle.
some researchers actually think that before money, if you wanted something but couldn't give anything back, it was simply a debt. maybe it worked like in local exchange systems. though, we know that now local exchange systems mostly don't work (I checked once out of curiosity and people were only trading the kind of stuffs you wouldn't expect to make a single cent from), but it may be because we made money the most desirable thing of all, whereas it should be nothing more than a mean of exchange.
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posted December 12, 2014 09:53 PM |
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I've seen some exchange shops where you can basically come in with one thing and leave with another.. in some cases exchange libraries where you only borrow items and you can borrow your own item, but you've also to contribute..
In any case I agree, and I think it's exactly because if we can get money for it, we want money for it, so in principle it's only our "trash" we give away this way.. one easy way to find out if it's worthwhile for the person in the exchange library case is if they ever borrow the item they left there. I kind of doubt it.
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posted January 02, 2015 03:42 PM |
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I would love to get into IT as that is what I am good at but how the hell am I supposed to get into it when most, if not all, require experience? I know there's certain things you can do but I've tried so hard to apply and I just never hear anything back. Absolute joke.
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posted January 02, 2015 03:56 PM |
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quite the same here.
and then they are like "it's not true there are no jobs, IT companies are looking for people and have much trouble finding".
maybe IT still seems so elitist to most people that even for the most basic stuffs they think they need NASA engineers?
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posted January 02, 2015 05:45 PM |
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Fauch said:
maybe IT still seems so elitist to most people that even for the most basic stuffs they think they need NASA engineers?
Technology replacing people has not stopped at only Industrial work as the original propaganda mantras stated. At the time when robotic-welders started appearing in auto-production lines and in our battery-production process we began using all sorts of "man-hour" time saving computerizations, we were hearing everywhere; "we are moving to a Service-Economy." However, within a decade, all sorts of those jobs were gone. (Btw, I was forced to take a lesser job when our industry moved overseas and my career path vanished; then when I heard a computer voice handling State of Missouri job services...I knew in the future, few working people would have job-security)
Following the logical trail of "replacement," Tech has evolved to replace humans in the Tech industry too, so in the same fashion; a glut of people fighting for a only few jobs gives incredible power to employers that can demand any "hoops and hurdles" they want.
Nowadays the U.S. has a new marketed image of marketing; a Consumer-Society. No one need apply just buy, buy...BUY. Bye-Bye!
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posted January 04, 2015 07:11 PM |
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the sad thing about IT is it has a lot of potential, but the main way it is used in professional places is either to sell more or lower costs.
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posted January 05, 2015 04:33 PM |
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I totally agree. You just made me remember something JRRT said; he thought about what mankind creates and how the creation is usually what we today would call a "chain-store-concept."
I realize things are probably different in Europe but <i.e.> here in the U.S. instead of creating individual, uniquely designed architecture everything has a mass-production feel when hundreds of buildings are identical no matter where you are standing.
How much this poor thinking might invade the work-life of the IT industry I have no clue but when a company's first action to save money is cutting employees, it would certainly be...default.
In the States my company hired an executive from outside the Firm, made him vice-president and the company "was made lean and mean." <iow>He axed a lot of jobs. But what would one expect from a guy nicknamed, "Lefty"?
I have always wanted a Desktop that I could design my own way and not be forced to pick from a few applications that are doing m/l the same things...setting my PC in a straight-line to Ad-City and tracking.
I imagine the Internet will go the historic TV route. Free TV signal with advertising, then paid-Cable with no ads and then finally paid-Cable and "infomercials."
Please, someone "think out of the box" and save US!
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