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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted September 15, 2015 11:03 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 23:47, 15 Sep 2015.
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kiryu133 said:
Eh, H6 campaigns were dull and cliche but I can't call them rip-offs. Sure, the premise is a taken straight from "a song of-" but the stories themselves definetely aren't.
The themes for the children are too close to the books. The youngest daughter who has to grow-up, the snow who leaves because he feels like a mis-fit, the elder daughter who is forced into marriage. It is too close and if an aesthetic such as green necropolis makes it a rip-off of warcraft's undead than the similarities to SoIaF make H6's stories rip-offs as well.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted September 15, 2015 11:59 PM |
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Hello, guys and girls! How're you? Long time no see. ^^
Today I want to present you another script, this time I did Clash of Heroes. One of my favourite games, actually, - aside from brilliant gameplay, I enjoyed the story as well. It's not great or any Shakespearian level, or even very serious, no; it's fun, refreshing and interesting enough. How to put it... "a game for relaxation". ^^
Due to some technical issues you may encounter some glitches. Arrows in the script mean that a battle occurs.
Any suggestions for improvement are welcome, as well as thoughts whether I should include Battle Puzzles as well.
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Let's play poker game, lich-style!
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted September 16, 2015 03:10 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
anyone using the term "SJW" unironically isn't worth taking seriously, darling. Just a heads up.
callin them as i see them. On top of that is not its the first time you cant come up with an actual answer to my posts lol
Gryphs said:
kiryu133 said:
Eh, H6 campaigns were dull and cliche but I can't call them rip-offs. Sure, the premise is a taken straight from "a song of-" but the stories themselves definetely aren't.
The themes for the children are too close to the books. The youngest daughter who has to grow-up, the snow who leaves because he feels like a mis-fit, the elder daughter who is forced into marriage. It is too close and if an aesthetic such as green necropolis makes it a rip-off of warcraft's undead than the similarities to SoIaF make H6's stories rip-offs as well.
The Griffin always pays his debts is surely a reference and i'm not gonna say there wasnt influence from GoT/ASoFaI. But all that stuff are normal tropes, not something unique to GoT.
I already explained my thoughts in the Necropolis and im not gonna repeat them again for them to fall into unwilling ears.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted September 16, 2015 12:37 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
The Griffin always pays his debts is surely a reference and i'm not gonna say there wasnt influence from GoT/ASoFaI. But all that stuff are normal tropes, not something unique to GoT.
The problem is all the tropes are used in the same way as they are in ASoFaI. I am not against a little inspiration, but the amount they borrowed goes far beyond inspiration in my mind anyway.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted September 16, 2015 01:17 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
callin them as i see them. On top of that is not its the first time you cant come up with an actual answer to my posts lol
Oh, you wanted a response? Well, not until you grow up stop believing in those "SJW" fairytales. I can't take you or anything you say seriously until you do.
And even if I did there's nothing to respond to. You never bring any actual discussion beyond complaining and trying to seem "edgy"
Gryphs said:
The themes for the children are too close to the books. The youngest daughter who has to grow-up, the snow who leaves because he feels like a mis-fit, the elder daughter who is forced into marriage. It is too close and if an aesthetic such as green necropolis makes it a rip-off of warcraft's undead than the similarities to SoIaF make H6's stories rip-offs as well.
Once again, It's just the premise: children of a family getting separated and goes on different adventures. And even if there are some similarities beyond that only Stronghold is actually like John's and even then It's more like general fantasy story than SoIaF in particular. I mean, Is Anastasia's story anything like those novels? (actually, it does feature a young woman in love with someone she later finds out is a complete tool so parallels between her and Sansa exists but they're once again not strong enough to warrant "rip-off" status)
Won't disagree about general unit designs though. they're pretty blatant 
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted September 16, 2015 02:05 PM |
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@kiryu still speechless sweetie? when you're able to properly reply me, quote me
@gryphs i disagree. But w.e.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted September 16, 2015 02:11 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
@kiryu still speechless sweetie?
I'll let you know if that ever happens, kid.
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted September 16, 2015 04:14 PM |
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Gryphs said:
In the most recent Griffin house article they say a, "A Lannister Griffin always pays his debts". Even the factions on the wiki all have house faction words how is that not a rip-off.
I only find this: "but I will say as much: all debts with the Blackfang were settled, there and then."
Where do you read "A Griffin always pays his debts"?  . Honestly, that is exactly what came to my mind when I first read it:
Marblethrone said:
"all debts with the Blackfang were settled, there and then." As the saying goes: A Griffin always pays his debts.
I too encountered a specific thing in Irina's bio that reminded me of Arya Stark. Her? Yes. Why? Well...here's what I wrote on the SC:
Marblethrone said:
Now that I'm bringing up some GoT, might as well continue with this: "Disgruntled at her lack of opportunity and disinterested in sewing, music, poetry, and dance, she fell in with her rough-and-tumble half-brother, Sandor." Why am I reminded of Arya Stark? She too hated needlework and would prefer chasing cats, and received training from Syrio. She loved her snow brother Jon, who gave her the sword Needle and would 'muss her hair from time to time'. Coincidence? Likely, very likely .
I know that Sansa is the one being eventually bethrothed and to Joffrey, so maybe Irina is a bit of both Stark girls here, I don't know. Would I call H6's stories a ripoff? Well, no. I don't really care where the inspiration came from, and I played the campaigns before I started reading the GoT books. With the knowledge of said books it's easy to look for similarities and such, but those can be coļncidental. Even if it is a ripoff, I still enjoy playing the campaigns. Finished them on Easy and Medium (both Tears and Blood), now it's time for Hard-mode.
Also: faction mottoes/words a ripoff? No, I think you're taking it a little too far now. Noble families have a motto, popes have mottoes, orders have mottoes, it's common in history and even today. A notable example is the motto belonging to the Order of the Thistle: Nemo me impune lacessit, which roughly translates as "none shall provoke me unpunished". So G.R.R. Martin gave his Houses a motto, and the developers gave each faction one as well. What's the problem? This is not even coļncidence, imo, this is just following a historical example.
About GoT: I never saw a single episode. I want to finish reading the books first .
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted September 16, 2015 04:45 PM |
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It's a quote from one of H6 loading screens, iirc.
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted September 16, 2015 05:09 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
It's a quote from one of H6 loading screens, iirc.
Which one, exactly? From one of the campaigns?
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted September 16, 2015 07:38 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Hello, guys and girls! How're you? Long time no see. ^^
Today I want to present you another script, this time I did Clash of Heroes. One of my favourite games, actually, - aside from brilliant gameplay, I enjoyed the story as well. It's not great or any Shakespearian level, or even very serious, no; it's fun, refreshing and interesting enough. How to put it... "a game for relaxation". ^^
Due to some technical issues you may encounter some glitches. Arrows in the script mean that a battle occurs.
Any suggestions for improvement are welcome, as well as thoughts whether I should include Battle Puzzles as well.
You are a little too late - nearly by 6 years to be exactly. 
http://heroworld.gamerhome.net/clash/229.html
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"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted September 16, 2015 07:41 PM |
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Dies_Irae said:
GenyaArikado said:
It's a quote from one of H6 loading screens, iirc.
Which one, exactly? From one of the campaigns?
I dont recall, sorry.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted September 16, 2015 07:58 PM |
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Avonu said:
You are a little too late - nearly by 6 years to be exactly.
Oops. ^^ Never saw this one. Well, I guess then my post can act as a little reminder. 
P.S.: and consider that I slightly edited the text with accordance to retcons (Blade of Binding being created at the time of 2nd Eclipse, not 4th, etc). So, you may consider my version "up-to-date". 
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted September 16, 2015 11:00 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 23:05, 16 Sep 2015.
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kiryu133 said:
Once again, It's just the premise: children of a family getting separated and goes on different adventures.
I guess I draw a line at that premise not being popularly used anywhere I can find outside of SoIaF so naturally they use it. I am just disappointed that it is never about making an original well told story, but trying to draw as many parallels as possible with popular sources without plagiarizing.
Dies_Irae said:
Also: faction mottoes/words a ripoff? No, I think you're taking it a little too far now. Noble families have a motto, popes have mottoes, orders have mottoes, it's common in history and even today. A notable example is the motto belonging to the Order of the Thistle: Nemo me impune lacessit, which roughly translates as "none shall provoke me unpunished". So G.R.R. Martin gave his Houses a motto, and the developers gave each faction one as well. What's the problem? This is not even coļncidence, imo, this is just following a historical example.
The problem is not the words it is the almost guaranteed fact that if SoIaF was not popular there would not be any which is again they are not there to add depth but to draw parallels with somthing more popular.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted September 16, 2015 11:13 PM |
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Gryphs said:
I guess I draw a line at that premise not being popularly used anywhere I can find outside of SoIaF so naturally they use it. I am just disappointed that it is never about making an original well told story, but trying to draw as many parallels as possible with popular sources without plagiarizing.
Agreeable enough
Gryphs said:
The problem is not the words it is the almost guaranteed fact that if SoIaF was not popular there would not be any which is again they are not there to add depth but to draw parallels with somthing more popular.
Nah, motto's are a simple and easy way to get a feeling for a faction. I wouldn't call that in any way a bad influence. And influences in general are not something to condemn (unless it goes to far *cough*necro*cough*)
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted September 16, 2015 11:16 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 23:17, 16 Sep 2015.
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I am talking about principle what they took could be good or bad, but they took to draw parallels not for the good results and I just find that lazy and uncreative.
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"Don't resist the force. Redirect it. Water over rock."-blizzardboy
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted September 16, 2015 11:24 PM |
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I don't think we can truly know that without an official word. Either way, I don't mind that particular influence very much. It's a great way of getting quick world-building done.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted September 16, 2015 11:27 PM |
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Then you do not mind them taking from warcraft as well?
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"Don't resist the force. Redirect it. Water over rock."-blizzardboy
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted September 16, 2015 11:30 PM |
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I do, mostly cause I don't see their blatant stealing from Warcraft to be "influenced". it's just pure copying. It's also not very fitting nor helps much with world-building and generally has a negative effect on the game.
Influences used to enhance something = good (faction motto's)
Influences taken to their absolute extreme to make something look like something its's not = bad (copied concepts and aesthetics from inferior games)
WC necro is both too much "influence" and not very good ones.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted September 16, 2015 11:41 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
I do, mostly cause I don't see their blatant stealing from Warcraft to be "influenced". it's just pure copying. It's also not very fitting nor helps much with world-building and generally has a negative effect on the game.
Influences used to enhance something = good (faction motto's)
Influences taken to their absolute extreme to make something look like something its's not = bad (copied concepts and aesthetics from inferior games)
Whether it is good or not is irrelevant to the principle of it being borrowed not created, and it did help with quick world building from the very fact necropolis and so much else is based on it. Again good or bad it was copied not in small amounts mind but enmass to fill the vacant spots of the lore. If you call their inspiration from Warcraft blatant stealing than I am unsure how you can see their blatant ripping off of SoIaF as something else. Just because the Warcraft stealing is visual should make no difference.
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