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Sligneris
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posted April 13, 2015 05:10 PM |
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At first Mutare will be like...
"I'll unite all the dragons in order to protect this world!"
But later she will be like...
"We are the dragons - the descendants of this world's gods. You will obey me, as worshipping my kin is the only purpose of your existence."
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ShadowMaster
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posted April 13, 2015 05:34 PM |
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Sligneris said:
At first Mutare will be like...
"I'll unite all the dragons in order to protect this world!"
But later she will be like...
"We are the dragons - the descendants of this world's gods. You will obey me, as worshipping my kin is the only purpose of your existence."
Hell Yeah. That will do her justice. It would be nice to play as Mutare trough her whole mission-heroic start, change into Dragon and then trying to conquer the world (and failing at that).
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kiryu133
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posted April 13, 2015 05:55 PM |
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i don't think mutare should be a dragon knight. better to have her aspire to something like that and gain the ability to change into an unaffiliated dragon by other means. dragon knights should be her enemies though since Mutare will only want power and to subjugate any and all dragons. she should be a minor dungeon lord to start off with though but not necessarily affiliated with any particular dragon: remember she is to take control of all dragons (including black ones) through force, not compassion or silly snow like that.
Her transformation should be permanent. A welcome curse if you will, but a curse nonetheless.
Avirosb said:
Enter Dracon, only after that he'll feel empty and hollow inside.
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LightAvatarX
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posted April 13, 2015 06:03 PM |
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Heroes VII second expansion:Betreyal leaves
Description:Then of the civil war of the holy empire,and the war in Grimheim with the dwarfs,the dark elves and the elfs,the demonds are ready to rise!Then of the failure of the international war in the third eclipse,Kha-Beleth has different plans!As every eclipse in the beggining of every eclipse the demons attack to the ashan but this has not happened in the fourth eclipse!Now in the ending of the fouth eclipse,Kha-Beleth has collected his powers to attack to the whole Ashan!Will Necropolis made a deal with inferno like the international war?Will the dead and the chaos unite their powers to destroy ashan?
But now,then of the 2 eclipses freezed of Sandro how are the relationships between Necroplois and Inferno!Will dungeon be friend with inferno!
THIS IS HEROES VII EXPANSION,BETREYAL LEAVES!
The trilogy of Heroes VII saga is coming in 1february2017!
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verriker
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posted April 13, 2015 06:04 PM |
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lol I really hope they wouldn't copy Mutare, most of their Ashan clones so far started as throwaway heroes but they have yet to take it as far as an original campaign character of NWC, which is honestly for the best lol
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kiryu133
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posted April 13, 2015 06:11 PM |
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i dunno. If they do Mutare right (and while i don't think they will, she's a lot simpler than the heroes they have copied, just wanting power if i remember correctly) she could be very interesting in this setting, what with dragons being super-powerful and godly and all. i think it could be amazing if they pulled it off 
not to mention the inevitable stuff surrounding Mutare becoming an actual dragons rather than just shape-shifting into one. the implications (especially if unaffiliated) could be super fun.
Dracon would also be fun, for different reasons.
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Sligneris
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posted April 13, 2015 06:11 PM |
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verriker said:
lol I really hope they wouldn't copy Mutare, most of their Ashan clones so far started as throwaway heroes but they have yet to take it as far as an original campaign character of NWC, which is honestly for the best lol
Um... Weren't Ashan's Sandro and Crag Hack actually pretty good?
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kiryu133
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posted April 13, 2015 06:13 PM |
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they turned Crag Hack into a pirate. not great. wasn't he also not a blundering idiot always looking for a fight? 'cause that's what Crag Hack should be doing in my experience.
Sandro seems ok from what i hear.
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verriker
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posted April 13, 2015 06:16 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Um... Weren't Ashan's Sandro and Crag Hack actually pretty good?
1) I don't think so, and 2) neither of those characters apply to what I said lol
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Sligneris
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posted April 13, 2015 06:21 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
they turned Crag Hack into a pirate. not great. wasn't he also not a blundering idiot always looking for a fight? 'cause that's what Crag Hack should be doing in my experience.
Sandro seems ok from what i hear.
Well, I suppose... That's why I actually think I like her as a fallen Dragon Knight, as demonstrated in the first post of this page. They are different characters, tributes rather than exact clones. That applies to Sandro, Crag Hack or even all other hero reincarnations, mostly with different biographies.
It seems that reaching a consensus here will be a much harder than it was with expansion ideas, because everyone seems to have his or her own vision, when it comes to character reincarnations... I like it. 
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verriker
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posted April 13, 2015 06:29 PM |
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Edited by verriker at 18:30, 13 Apr 2015.
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to be fair, they're all as close to clones as you can get without having to change Ashan to suit them
I dread to think what if started the slippery slope of using Mutare and ended up going after Tawni or Gauldoth,
their Tawni would probably be a sea elf with a massive backstory rewrite and Gauldoth would yell "Asha uses all" at everyone like the fanatics he despised lol
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kiryu133
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posted April 13, 2015 06:30 PM |
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Edited by kiryu133 at 18:32, 13 Apr 2015.
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It's still important to keep the most important part of a character: Sandro is still a scheming and pragmatic mastermind. the most important part about Mutare is that she turned into a Dragon with no way to turn back and that she more or less enslaved every species of dragons (with some exceptions like Azure if i remember correctly, which i might not). these two elements will have to remain and i don't think they will if she's part of the dragon knights.
Those two elements are what would make her so cool in Ashan, not her dragon-knightyness. we already have those. An unnaffiliated dragon warlord forcing a snow-ton of dragons, literally children of the gods, to do her bidding in a mad quest for power? that's new and awesome !
everything else is up for grasps though, and yeah it is cool hearing what everyone wants, even if i only care about Mutare
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verriker said:
I dread to think what if started the slippery slope of using Mutare and ended up going after Tawni or Gauldoth,
their Tawni would probably be a sea elf with a massive backstory rewrite and Gauldoth would yell "Asha uses all" at everyone like the fanatics he despised lol
that would imply they care about h4.
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Sligneris
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posted April 13, 2015 06:40 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
It's still important to keep the most important part of a character: Sandro is still a scheming and pragmatic mastermind. the most important part about Mutare is that she turned into a Dragon with no way to turn back and that she more or less enslaved every species of dragons (with some exceptions like Azure if i remember correctly, which i might not). these two elements will have to remain and i don't think they will if she's part of the dragon knights.
Those two elements are what would make her so cool in Ashan, not her dragon-knightyness. we already have those. An unnaffiliated dragon warlord forcing a snow-ton of dragons, literally children of the gods, to do her bidding in a mad quest for power? that's new and awesome
Actually, I believe that even as a Dragon Knight, she'd originally try to gather dragons in the time of need, but in order to lead them she would need to gather magical power, just like Articun suggested. At some point (pretty early, actually), one of the dragon species would refuse to follow, which would be the moment when she realizes that she can use the power she gathered to force dragons to do her bidding. While still respecting dragons at the time, she'd use that ability with little hesitation.
Using a dragon form increases magic capabilities - Sar-Elam was in this form during the ritual that was meant to seal the Demons in Sheogh, after all. As such, to maintain her power over the dragons she commanded, she would use her dragon form more often and for longer, only to eventually become unable to turn back. But as demonstrated by the line I wrote, she would no longer seek to go back, as she would by then feel more dragon than human, truly believing herself to be the rightful ruler of dragons, and of Ashan.
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verriker
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posted April 13, 2015 06:40 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
An unnaffiliated dragon warlord forcing a snow-ton of dragons, literally children of the gods, to do her bidding in a mad quest for power? that's new and awesome!
but that's not new, it's literally the story of the original Mutare with no difference lol
kiryu133 said:
that would imply they care about h4.
it would only imply they don't care about it IMO, but they are aware of Heroes 4, they already borrowed/plundered Calistar, the Moander and Darkstorm spellings and the backstory of Luna from that game lol
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Storm-Giant
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posted April 13, 2015 06:45 PM |
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Gauldoth is the best Necromancer in the whole HoM&M series. I'd rather not risk to taint his legacy
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Sligneris
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posted April 13, 2015 06:48 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Gauldoth is the best Necromancer in the whole HoM&M series.
I feel like DM!Arantir, Belketh, Ashan!Sandro or Vein could compete for that title.
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kiryu133
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posted April 13, 2015 06:49 PM |
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verriker said:
but that's not new, it's literally the story of the original Mutare with no difference lol
i meant for Ashan. still stand by that story would be a lot more interesting there.
...if done well. Which it won't, but whatever. it's fun to imagine.
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verriker
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posted April 13, 2015 06:57 PM |
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Sligneris said:
I feel like DM's Arantir, Belketh, Sandro or Vein could compete for that title.
not really, they are all just lame cliches or caricatures when it comes down to it,
but Gauldoth is someone you could plausibly hold up and say hey, this guy is actually a character, he has a bit of depth to him and isn't embarrassingly badly written, like the majority of video games out there lol
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Sligneris
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posted April 13, 2015 07:01 PM |
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Sligneris said:
I feel like DM!Arantir, Belketh, Ashan!Sandro or Vein could compete for that title.
verriker said:
not really, they are all just lame cliches or caricatures when it comes down to it
I wouldn't exactly agree, but if you believe so...
On a side note, both Gauldoth and maskless!Sheltem designs felt like NWC team read too many old comics.
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verriker
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posted April 13, 2015 07:16 PM |
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Sligneris said:
On a side note, both Gauldoth and maskless!Sheltem designs felt like NWC team read too many old comics.
I guess, but let's count our blessings that they weren't ripping off Warhammer, World of Warcraft or non-free celebrity photos on Google Images lol
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