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Stevie
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posted November 11, 2015 02:52 PM |
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Kayna
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posted November 11, 2015 03:12 PM |
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Tsar-Ivor said:
And yes the Mossad sentinels were intimidating, mostly looked bored till a refugee from Gaza (who got a scholarship I'd assume) spoke, then they went full alert, one manly looking woman was practically breathing down my back.
Yeah, can't say I'm surprised. They have the right to be on alert to avoid any kind of attack, I understand and respect that part, but an air of intimidation also settles every time they do so, yes? Makes me think that they will be on high alert every chance they get to set this atmosphere of intimidation and to add an extra victim status roleplay.
Perhaps a good question to ask would've been : If you believe people are after you and wants to bomb you, why do you come in a school like this one and endanger us all?
lol.
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Geny
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posted November 11, 2015 06:41 PM |
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This isn't the 1950's anymore. Everybody got an education now. Of course less people believe Israel.
That "of course" in there is exactly what I mean when I say that Israeli public opinion people have failed.
Everybody got education, sure. Israelis got Israeli education that says they're right. Palestinians got Palestinian education that says they're right. And everyone else got something in between. No one has the "absolute truth". People have different parts of truth and some lies. But "of course" less people believe Israel...
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I don't think you can find a way to sugar coat with media tricks the fact that Israel is violating international law with its illegal settlements. Actions are what matter, not the media game.
Actions undoubtedly matter. But not only Israeli actions. Terrorist attacks inside Israel also matter. As does rocket fire into civilian population. Both sides do acts of violence and break international laws, yet Israel seems to take most of the heat. And this is also why Israeli public opinion people have failed.
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Kayna
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posted November 11, 2015 07:22 PM |
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Maybe another interesting question to ask would've been "Did you or your boss pay the school director or someone in the government to have the chance to spread your misinformation to us students?" lol
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Minion
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posted November 11, 2015 11:26 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 00:08, 12 Nov 2015.
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So Geny what do you think about those Settlements? You have avoided commenting on them. You justify them because of the terror attacks you have had?
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted November 12, 2015 02:37 AM |
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Actions undoubtedly matter. But not only Israeli actions. Terrorist attacks inside Israel also matter. As does rocket fire into civilian population. Both sides do acts of violence and break international laws, yet Israel seems to take most of the heat. And this is also why Israeli public opinion people have failed.
Yes, I did raise a question similar to this along the lines of:
Do you believe that Israel is being held to an almost idealistic standard of conduct?
She replied yes, she raised something about only Israel being investigated by the UN while the issue of Tibet/China and Pakistan are not; I'm not well informed on those conflict.
Most of the crowd were highly critical of Israel, if I have to be honest they were rightfully so, but then it dawned on me, we seem to be judging Israel based on some idealistic moral basis, (hence the question) in the past 20 years, hell even in the past decade every conflict no matter the state has had significantly higher civilian casualty rate than militrary, every one of them. Hell even Russia moving into Syria, got massive international applause, but they end up systematically blowing up the moderate Free Syrian Army, and there's one account of them targetting villages and towns (or at least that's where the payload ended up), rebuked? Nope, praised (as much as I love Putin gotta be critical 'ere).
But it's against international law right? Right, let's hold Israel accountable for every misdeed, but ignore constant violations by everyone else, you can't have a system where it's one law for the security council and another for everyone else.
There was one question that deal with territories gained through the 6 day war, 1967 IIRC question went something like this: "How can you justify it as a defensive war when you used the victory to expand your territories".
Reply: "We were attacked, those were the spoils of war, we had no intention of holding on to the acquired lands, we merely wanted them as bargaining chips to finally bring the Arabs to the peace table".
When she said spoils of war everyone turned pale, despite the fact that she was perfectly right, I did feel revulsion too for some reason.
There were roughly 10 questions and two or three statements.
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Kayna
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posted November 12, 2015 03:20 AM |
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Well, I understand the point, but I don't think "held to higher standards" is the proper way to say it. It's more like the spotlight is upon Israel while it's not elsewhere. Others would be "held to higher standards" were the spotlight directed on them. There must be another reason ; perhaps some powers that be do want to constantly pressure Israel for decades on end for some reason I do not understand, or perhaps it is due to a political remorse because we are partially to blame for approving this creation of Israel.
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Geny
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posted November 15, 2015 04:05 PM |
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Minion said:
So Geny what do you think about those Settlements? You have avoided commenting on them. You justify them because of the terror attacks you have had?
I avoided commenting on them here, because I saw this as a thread about public opinion as opposed to the main Israel and Palestine thread, but since you asked...
I personally think that the creation of those Settlements in the first place was a mistake. If I understand correctly they were footholds on the land and had great strategic value at the time, but the same strategic advantage could have been gained with military bases only, without inviting civilian population to live there as well.
That being said, I also think that there is no reason to evacuate them at this point in time. There are a lot of people living in those Settlements. Families that were born there and lived their whole lives there. Pulling them out of their homes is a drastic measure that should only be used when absolutely necessary. And at this point in time it is, in my opinion, not absolutely necessary because of two reasons:
1. It will not bring peace, only more bloodshed. Leaving Gaza did not bring peace. Peace will be achieved only when both sides get more or less what they want. The land of the Settlements is not the only thing left that the Palestinians want, so giving it to them will not bring peace. It will, however, give the terrorists among the Palestinian people a better chance to infiltrate bigger cities on Israel soil and will cause more death. Just as leaving Gaza led to increased mortar fire on Israeli civilians. So the evacuation of the Settlements should only happen as a part of a complete solution followed by peace.
2. It's not clear what solution this will be. There have been talks about territory exchange. This way Israel will get to keep its biggest Settlements and in return will give other land to Palestine that would be valuable to them. For example, bridging the West Bank to the Gaza Strip. Should this be the case, there is no need to uproot families from their homes. At least not all of them. So once again, I think that the evacuation of the Settlements should only happen as a part of a complete solution, because it might decide which Settlements are to be evacuated and which are not.
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posted November 17, 2015 10:23 PM |
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It becomes harder and harder for you to uphold such nonsensical defense. While of course I could agree, in-extremis- on people remaining in those settlements if several generations live in, what about the 2000 new settlements ordered this week, combined with systematical demolition of palestinian settlements, carried "as punitive measure"?
Then you can say in 25 years "hey, we can't move them, already several generations in". And this is how you exterminate a people, but you guys should already know how it looks, right?
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Geny
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posted November 19, 2015 10:15 AM |
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I never said we can't move them. In fact, I explicitly said that when the time comes, we will. Just like we moved the people in Gaza. What I said was that it is unwise to move them without a complete solution that is acceptable by both sides. And I already explained why.
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