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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


Legendary Hero
posted November 26, 2015 08:51 AM

John 15:5 NIV

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I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.

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phe
phe


Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
posted November 26, 2015 09:23 AM
Edited by phe at 09:24, 26 Nov 2015.

Christianity has main three disadvantages:

-sharing property to others who often don't deserve it
-forgiving
-if somebody punched your face prepare willingly for another punch

These three issues are weird and do not make sense. They make Christianity a step back in development of mankind. Many previous and later religions were better (Pagan, Hinduism, Judaism and others). These three issues are unsound in private life and completly bad in public life. Never literately used. Always selectively at will of church to mistreat some people.

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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


Legendary Hero
posted November 26, 2015 09:33 AM

Not the whole world accepts it. And that is not my problem. Same as how you don't think Christianity is good, the same why I don't think other religions that you mentioned are much better, no matter how many adherents they have or how old they are.

In other words, if you don't like it, I don't force it on you. And you please do the same.

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Homer171
Homer171


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted November 26, 2015 01:46 PM

Those are one of the hardest qualities of christianity Phe.

But also the strongest points imho. Sharing things to people who don't deserve it is ultimate love. It's again the grace issue, none of us deserves is, it's different than in other religions where you supposed to be good or better person. In christianity we come as we are and the grace of God will change us to do willingly better deeds. If we don't deserve the love of God and still will get it, why would we deny it from others?

Do we need to take that punch in the face seriously? Well in third time i can hit back right? For my understanding it more speaks of the forgiveness again. We can't hold a grudge, that does not mean we should show blind eye to everything whats wrong. If somebody tries to mug me, i sure try to stop him whit all force i can! Other than that turning your cheek to 'your enemy' had it own meaning at the time, we have long forgotten those ideals. For me, i don't think christianity is weak as forgiving somebody is lot harder than fighting against them. Everyone can have their own opinions of course.
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phe
phe


Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
posted November 26, 2015 03:16 PM
Edited by phe at 15:34, 26 Nov 2015.

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Sharing things to people who don't deserve it is ultimate love.


rather sillisness...why we should like or love other people especially bad ones making harm to others (adult people,
children, animals) ?

Only good people (also children and animals) who do not use or make harm to others deserve respect. Rest deserves disregard or punishment.  

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Do we need to take that punch in the face seriously?


Selectivity again...once we are like this other time not... why don't shoot somebody if he tries?

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Svartzorn
Svartzorn


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Dead struggling with death.
posted November 26, 2015 03:56 PM
Edited by Svartzorn at 15:58, 26 Nov 2015.

phe said:
Christianity has main three disadvantages:

-sharing property to others who often don't deserve it
-forgiving
-if somebody punched your face prepare willingly for another punch

These three issues are weird and do not make sense. They make Christianity a step back in development of mankind. Many previous and later religions were better (Pagan, Hinduism, Judaism and others). These three issues are unsound in private life and completly bad in public life. Never literately used. Always selectively at will of church to mistreat some people.


It's not supposed to make sense. It's an act of self denial. St. Paul goes extensively about how the Cross is foolishness:

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:

I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Co 1:18-25



Doing good to those who do evil is also a good council. If you retribute their evil deeds with other evil deeds, you become like them. If you do good deeds in response, your virtue shines through. Not to mention, it makes one rethink his actions:

Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for Gods wrath, for it is written: It is mine to avenge; I will repay, says the Lord. On the contrary:

If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Romans 12:17-21


Besides, it's proper to condemn evil acts, not people. It makes no sense to say that good people are the ones who practice good deeds, for even evil people practice good deeds in order to be appreciated by other men, to build a reputation.
So we can't really tell who's good or who's bad without some prejudice, might as well treat everyone nicely.
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phe
phe


Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
posted November 26, 2015 04:08 PM
Edited by phe at 16:09, 26 Nov 2015.

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Besides, it's proper to condemn evil acts, not people. It makes no sense to say that good people are the ones who practice good deeds, for even evil people practice good deeds in order to be appreciated by other men, to build a reputation.
So we can't really tell who's good or who's bad without some prejudice, might as well treat everyone nicely.


It's proper to condemn evil acts as well as evil people. Evil acts are done by evil people. For sure we can say that people who don't do evil acts are good. For sure we can say that people who do evil acts are evil (more often evil acts more evil are people doing this).

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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


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posted November 26, 2015 04:09 PM

Good work Svartzorn. But I stopped trying with unbelievers on the internet about two years ago.

I have better things to do with my time and my faith. Like... speaking with people that appreciate it.

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Svartzorn
Svartzorn


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Dead struggling with death.
posted November 26, 2015 04:41 PM

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It's proper to condemn evil acts as well as evil people. Evil acts are done by evil people. For sure we can say that people who don't do evil acts are good. For sure we can say that people who do evil acts are evil (more often evil acts more evil are people doing this).


You condemn people:

I - to cease their evildoings;
II - to intimidate evildoers ot behave in an approprieta fashion;
III - to maintain the rule of morality by cohersing evil;

You never condemn someone entirely because someone's not entirely evil. They may repent later and, more importantly, your judgement is subject to failure, for example you may catch the wrong criminal or you may not be able to see the justice in the motivation for a determinate act.
So it's appropriate to judge and condemn the action, not the person.

Good is not the absence of evil, rather evil is the abscence, the distortion of what's good.
Good people are those who practice good. Doing good and justice is doing what's expected and according to each one.
Evil people are those who don't comply to such principle, either by abstaining from doing what's proper, either by doing the opposite of what's good, either by ill motivating their good actions.
we don't get to say multinational corporations are good because they help the poor and the environment every once in a while because we know that they do it for the publicity.
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Homer171
Homer171


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted November 26, 2015 05:34 PM

Nice posts Svartzorn really liked them.


It's hard to say what person is good and what are evil because we all have some good in us. Even the best of us have something bad, there is no man whitout sin. Even the murderers can love their families and good man can secretly hate his naybor.

What if the bad guy or girl completely changes his/her lifestyle and starts doing good and the person inside completly changes from black to white? There are many christians like that.


There are so many diffrent people, all is not such black and white in life.
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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


Legendary Hero
posted November 26, 2015 05:51 PM

And now, my final say about unbelievers who want to discuss/dismiss Christianity:

If there were no God, there would be no atheists.


- G.K. Chesterton

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phe
phe


Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
posted November 26, 2015 06:55 PM
Edited by phe at 19:17, 26 Nov 2015.

Quote:

You condemn people:

I - to cease their evildoings;
II - to intimidate evildoers ot behave in an approprieta fashion;
III - to maintain the rule of morality by cohersing evil;



Making people not to harm others is good. Making harming to others is a shame. A shame is also to allow to this.

Quote:

You never condemn someone entirely because someone's not entirely evil. They may repent later and, more importantly, your judgement is subject to failure, for example you may catch the wrong criminal or you may not be able to see the justice in the motivation for a determinate act.

Later action doesn't matter . This person should be punished for making harm to others and made not to make further harm. Because someone did one good thing in life we cannot punish him for severe crimes from whole life?  

Repentence doesn't matter to many people. Every permanent criminal deserve capital punishment. It doesn't matter if we catch the proper criminal or other criminal.

Quote:

So it's appropriate to judge and condemn the action, not the person.


We should condemn action and person as well.
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Good is not the absence of evil, rather evil is the abscence, the distortion of what's good.
Good people are those who practice good. Doing good and justice is doing what's expected and according to each one.
Evil people are those who don't comply to such principle, either by abstaining from doing what's proper, either by doing
the opposite of what's good, either by ill motivating their good actions.
we don't get to say multinational corporations are good because they help the poor and the environment every once in a
while because we know that they do it for the publicity.


It's enough that people don't make harm to others. Whatever we call it good or not-bad. If they make harm to others they
should be punished. They should be punished severe to prevent them and others for making harm.

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khalbrae
khalbrae


Adventuring Hero
posted November 26, 2015 08:30 PM

I'm a fairly open and accepting Christian myself. I don't fit into any of the stereotypical molds though.

I get along very well with everybody and tend not to bring up my religion unless it's directly asked or extremely pertinent to the conversation.

I don't go to church because I don't really have a denomination that I fit into. Also I find that (to me) the bible seems to imply that the only real church is that directly between you and God. I know there are a lot of people that don't, but it also really turns me off of them when I see the loudest among us brag about their church attendance or praying loudly in the streets as though they're competing for "God points". Kind of defeats the humility message.

There's a nice little Christian community on Reddit at https://reddit.com/r/christianity

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Homer171
Homer171


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted November 27, 2015 04:12 AM
Edited by Homer171 at 04:13, 27 Nov 2015.

Good to hear you have clear head on your shoulders Khalbrae. There are lot of self righteousness people. Jesus even said don't go to streets shouting your good deeds, Father who will see your deeds in hidden will reward you. The ones who embrace their own goodness among the people have already got their 'reward'.



About the punishment of evil acts, forgiving is entirely different thing than punishment from their actions. Of course we need law and order. Forgiving is personal responce, what will you do or rather can you let go the grudge you have against the other. I have whitnessed in own life that hate and thirst for revenge only consumes and blinds you. Hate and fear leads to the dark side, that it does  
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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


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posted November 27, 2015 09:29 AM

The only fear I approve of is fear of the Lord, the beginning of knowledge.

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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


Undefeatable Hero
Elvin's Darkside
posted November 27, 2015 10:06 AM

they had deviated from it's original form, of what it's supposed to be. Catholic church these days is nothing more than a simple death cult. Instead of spreading the teachings of Christ, they glorify his death(also the martyr saints).

But the priest of my local church seems to do the opposite, which is nice. But then again Last time I've been to church was Christmas Eve 2013.
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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


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posted November 27, 2015 10:16 AM
Edited by Drakon-Deus at 10:19, 27 Nov 2015.

I went to church about 5 times in 21 years and other that for the major holidays/feasts, and I don't think it's a shame. I've read and studied the texts on my own. Anything beyond that is optional. And I also tried to know a little bit about the other major religions as well as ancient pagan ones like those of our far distant ancestors the Dacians.

And Romania is neither Eastern nor Western as a whole. A Latin core concerning language, sure, but definitive Slavic influence in institutions and folk, and Orthodox instead of Roman Catholic major religion.

Also, we used an adapted Romanian Cyrillic alphabet before a Latin one, and characters for specific Slavic sounds still remained adapted into our latin alphabet and we used to have old Slavonic language for church service and prayers and ritual,  and the separate provinces were only called Romania fairly recent, that is, late 19th century.

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Svartzorn
Svartzorn


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Dead struggling with death.
posted November 27, 2015 01:57 PM

Kipshasz said:
they had deviated from it's original form, of what it's supposed to be. Catholic church these days is nothing more than a simple death cult. Instead of spreading the teachings of Christ, they glorify his death(also the martyr saints).

But the priest of my local church seems to do the opposite, which is nice. But then again Last time I've been to church was Christmas Eve 2013.


Try checking out the Orthodox Church.

@phe: no one's trying to say here people shouldn't be punished dude, you can rest assured of that.
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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


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Elvin's Darkside
posted November 27, 2015 02:01 PM

the only difference between catholic and orthodox is their view of the holy spirit. That's it.
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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


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posted November 27, 2015 02:21 PM
Edited by Drakon-Deus at 14:24, 27 Nov 2015.

There are other differences but that was one that made them fall apart, yeah Kip, and Ortodox say Catolics were power hungry, I don't know what Catholics say but even so there's no chance for a change in either of them.

I wrote closer to the Romanian forms. Because I hate it when they get so angry about how to spell names

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