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posted December 04, 2016 07:14 PM |
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Thread cleaned. Please don't tempt me to hand you a silence as well, Artu.
Let's stay on topic please.
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posted December 04, 2016 07:17 PM |
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Btw, just out of curiosity, why is racism and sexism in bold in your decision, Corribus? X provokes Y with "Turkish turban," Y replies "bigot." How is that racial or sexist on my part?
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posted December 04, 2016 07:20 PM |
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Clearly you didn't click on the link to the Code of Conduct as I directed you to, else you'd have noticed that this is the way it is formatted there.
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posted December 04, 2016 08:28 PM |
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I don't know what bothers me the most, the EU person/s that decided to not ask a sensible question or the folks who took part in this survey.
The question should read; Is Rape ever justified?
And btw, if the Assailant does not know what he is doing, than the woman could be a man. And people answered these questions?!
i.e. "Not """"clearly""" saying no...what does that even mean?
How about? "Well I said no but I was scared to death and the word could hardly come out of my mouth."
"or physically fighting back" and she says "I'm a 110 pounds and I had a crazed 300 lb. brute assaulting me...should I have chosen death to escape Rape?"
That BS read hidden-purpose with more manipulation to follow. Good grief the world is mad.
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posted December 04, 2016 08:34 PM |
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markkur said:
The question should read; Is Rape ever justified?
I thought so too, but personally I wouldn't criticize the people who took part in the test though.
If I got paid to do some test I wouldn't want to be told afterwards it was partly my fault the test was inaccurate.
On the bright sight, we now know that 55% of Stevie is a potential rapist, we now only have to figure out which 55% that is. 
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posted December 04, 2016 09:35 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
I thought so too, but personally I wouldn't criticize the people who took part in the test though.
If I got paid to do some test I wouldn't want to be told afterwards it was partly my fault the test was inaccurate.
I agree to a degree but let's ask a few more questions.
Did those that participated really understand what they answered? RU certain because this was published as fact? You know something like the word "comprehension". There are language barriers that can be overcame or exploited depending on the intended purpose for good or ill and I would like to see all of that survey "real-time" before I would believe it.
Do you know any Rapist that would go around broadcasting it. Do bank-robbers normally announce their non-morality or criminality if they understood the question?
In the end friend, people really need to take a deep breath and think before committing to solicitations that are vague. I mean ALL done for whatever ends.
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posted December 04, 2016 09:42 PM |
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True, but the survey itself could have been so vague that it wasn't clear what it was used to. Imagine someone asks you if you think someone may be in greater danger for walking alone during night time and those who proceed the answers then concludes you find it acceptable to assault someone because they walk alone at night.
Now I don't know how they made this survey, but I do vaguely remember from when I was much younger a similar kind of survey about if it is ever okay to be intimate with someone without their consent without specifying context. Back then I immediately thought about some odd couple who loved that kind of stuff and answered yes, while what the questioners wanted me to answer was probably if I ever thought it okay to oppress/attack/assault someone, which I doubt many do.
I imagine something similar could be done with violence and children. A parent recalling he once hit his child as a last resort and found it had a positive outcome would perhaps be honest in an anonymous survey only to find out those who created the survey concluded everyone who made such a response would be marked as violent towards children.
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artu
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posted December 04, 2016 09:55 PM |
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In a way.. Tests or polls that reduce "life" into A or B binaries are inevitably oversimplistic. But there is still significance in them because the results are comparative. For instance, people may support death penalty because of various reasons, still, X country having 80 percent supporters while Y country having 40 percent is not meaningless data. The formulation of questions themselves also matter but how tricky or misleading the questions can be? Is it okay for the state to kill? "Now, now, it's not okay for the state to murder but okay for it to execute." People usually know what they're answering to, is death penalty legit.
Should, what constitutes rape, be a question about how a woman behaves?
The spectrum of the unconditional 'no's to that question has a lot to do with social norms, and those norms have a lot to do with patriarchy, urbanization, religion, tradition and so on. It's not just about your conscience or what they pay you to fill in a paper.
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posted December 04, 2016 10:07 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
True, but the survey itself could have been so vague that it wasn't clear...
That was one of my main points. The alternative is that everything was explained well and the answers were given by comprehending minds. That is too far-fetched for me to believe.
And if everything is in Truth legit, than Europe is in serious trouble. However, that is NOT what I think. Like so much else about today's <ahem> fact-finding, it is NOT fact-finding but setting the groundwork for more forced BS (laws) to follow, in this case, within European Society...plenty of that dung has been going on here.
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artu
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posted December 04, 2016 10:20 PM |
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Look, the question is this:
If the poll questions are deceptive or misleading, and since if they are, they are so to set the groundwork for more BS laws, why are they so focused on Hungaria or Romania? These are not countries that determine anything crucial about the EU, it wouldn't be like the Germans pulling a trick on the French etc. What is the goal?
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posted December 05, 2016 12:54 AM |
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markkur said:
The question should read; Is Rape ever justified?
Almost everyone would answer "no" to that, but it wouldn't be indicative, because there are certain scenarios that are rape that they wouldn't identify as such - "She was asking for it, so it's not rape", and so on. That's why it's best to not use the term "rape" in surveys, and instead describe aspects of scenarios, like this survey did.Quote:
Do you know any Rapist that would go around broadcasting it.
The US just voted an admitted sexual assailant into the White House, so who knows.
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posted December 05, 2016 08:32 AM |
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I am sorry but allegations of rape, 20 years after the act, and when it is more than probable that they serve a political bias, should be entirely dismissed. Of course rape is a crime and should be always reported and punished as soon as it happens, but multiple accusations of rape coming from nowhere when one runs for presidency smell garbage. Until proven guilty, anyone is innocent.
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posted December 05, 2016 05:24 PM |
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I'm not talking about the accusations, but about what he said himself: "I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."
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posted December 05, 2016 07:18 PM |
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If "they let you do it" is considered a rape, then there are hundreds of millions of women being raped around the world every day.
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posted December 05, 2016 07:45 PM |
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Oh ok, indeed a very dangerous rapist.
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posted December 05, 2016 07:48 PM |
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Oh for heavens sake, we are talkin about sexual assault... Groping and kissing against anothers concent in this particular case.
Rape is the ultimate form of sexual assault, but NOT ALL sexual assaults are rape.
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posted December 05, 2016 07:56 PM |
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After mvass's post I googled and found there are rape accusations against Trump, and after reading details about each, I answered to that.
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posted December 05, 2016 08:36 PM |
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Quote:
Oh for heavens sake, we are talkin about sexual assault...
Even that is too much, taking mvass' quote which is supposed to be some evidence. Quite a few women will semi-willingly or very willingly let some "star" have his way with them and as long as they don't resist or show decisively that they don't want to be part of that, you can talk about some sort of domination, to an extent even rude behaviour but assault will be an exaggeration, let alone rape.
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posted December 05, 2016 09:01 PM |
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Zenofex said:
If "they let you do it" is considered a rape, then there are hundreds of millions of women being raped around the world every day.
They let him do it in the same way that Luxembourg let Germany occupy it in 1940. "I don't even wait" implies non-consent.
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posted December 05, 2016 09:07 PM |
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Sure it does, no other way to interpret it. Especially given that he's such a big pile of **** in all other regards, he's guilty by default in anything you want to accuse him. Court dismissed. 
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