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posted February 17, 2016 09:43 PM |
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Meanwhile some dude who never went on the internet sits in his basement, clueless about anything past win 95. 
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mvassilev
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posted February 17, 2016 09:56 PM |
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markkur said:
And Ads at start-up on my own PC?
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I use Windows 10 and don't see any ads.
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posted February 17, 2016 09:57 PM |
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mvassilev said:
markkur said:
And Ads at start-up on my own PC?
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I use Windows 10 and don't see any ads.
He means that blue box at the bottom right corner, for Windows 7 users. Probably even 8.
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Galaad
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posted February 17, 2016 10:03 PM |
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There is Ads in the start menu of Win 10 lol... Mvassiliev just managed to disable them, and already forgot they were ever there in the first place. 
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AlexSpl
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posted February 17, 2016 10:19 PM |
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Why Windows 10 is bad? Despite of all the optimization they've done, it remains Windows 8 basically, which is snow, basically. Well, it boots faster? Actually, it's just improved hybernation. Try it with Windows 7. To truly shut down Windows 10 you must type "shutdown /s" from command line. Telemetry? No real "achtung", because now even antiviruses spy on you. Windows is no more the king of OS.
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posted February 17, 2016 10:19 PM |
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windows 10 should be boycotted by everyone. might as well let everyone read and watch whatever you do on your computer, and feel free to stop you from using the internet if you do anything even slightly questionable. who tf cares if it's faster by seconds, you're talking about intrusion on your personal life. and this is just ONE STEP CLOSER to how they can have absolute control over everyone.
no one should EVER buy snow like that. there should be people OUTRAGED by it. there should be a movement AGAINST it.
of course, if you want to roll over and present your governments and corporations your ass, feel free to get snowed. because they CAN, if they feel like it. they ease it in more and more, with every "upgrade". and if you think you can stop that by removing parts of their software, don't think you'll remove it ALL; or that they won't just REINSTALL it, because it's part of an end-user CONTRACT.
it's beyond my understanding, why something of this type is ACCEPTABLE for the sake of CONVENIENCE. 
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AlexSpl
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posted February 17, 2016 10:52 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 22:53, 17 Feb 2016.
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Alas, modern people are deaf to the words of the Founding Fathers. They made a mockery of the Constitution. This world is no more consistant.
Microsoft tells you that telemetry is for your own convinience. They promise that your private data will remain private. But the problem is that they don't have neither *intension*, nor *technology* to keep their words. The most secure OS is one that doesn't send a single byte about itself to the internet. Well, wanna know what browser I use, *ask me directly*, I didn't give permission to share this info. Now it called "convinience". They can get far more than just version of my browser.
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Galaad
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posted February 17, 2016 11:02 PM |
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Honestly Linux should be taught in school. Of course it isn't, because business, because politics, because...
Linux = free, open-source, stable, secure (90% of servers worldwide run Linux, not for no reason) etc, but yes, you need to use your brains a bit, that is the price to pay.
It's like in the middle ages, if a kid wanted to know which time it was, he needed to have some basic astronomy knowledge, but we evolved so much.
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posted February 17, 2016 11:09 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 23:13, 17 Feb 2016.
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Linux is OK. The main problem is that the swingering majority of applications was written for Windows. In my organization I try to replace Windows servers with Linux ones where it's possible.
And will never upgrade Server 2008 R2 to 2012.
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OhforfSake
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posted February 17, 2016 11:54 PM |
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fred79 said:
it's beyond my understanding, why something of this type is ACCEPTABLE for the sake of CONVENIENCE.
Drama queen.
Galaad said:
Honestly Linux should be taught in school. Of course it isn't, because business, because politics, because...
What do you mean by school exactly?
Here universities by a far majority runs linux, while the newest students are still welcome to use windows if their programs require it (which they will, because high school uses excel, words, etc.)
High school uses the most common programs which can get the job done, which happens to be words, excel, etc. It's because every home computer has windows and by far most have words, excel, etc. High school here doesn't have a level where better programs or even learning linux makes much sense.
Finally public schooling I'm pretty convinced uses windows because the teachers there are no different from the average consumer, except they're older, which actually is a disadvantage. It's not uncommon for 12-13 year olds to find out they know more than the person who's there to teach them, after all the teacher only has an education in how to deal with people, not a deep understanding of the subject..
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fred79
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posted February 17, 2016 11:56 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
fred79 said:
it's beyond my understanding, why something of this type is ACCEPTABLE for the sake of CONVENIENCE.
Drama queen.
i guess i'll own it, since i'm passionate. nothing wrong with being passionate. 
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Galaad
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posted February 18, 2016 12:11 AM |
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@Ohforfsake
I mean in elementary school, like you have musical or sport courses, you could have computer courses. Linux is not about using a software, is about knowing your machine and learn what you can do with it. Being open-source Linux offers you pretty much anything you want to do with it. You can set it up to boot faster, you can tweak its appearance to your liking, you can create powerful scripts, possibilities are endless, there is no downside really. But not so many people use it because it requires a lot of reading and understanding, things are not as easy to do as in Windows or Apple, but you can do them, and much more. You use the command line all the time, because it's fast and reliable, and powerful, and is the most direct form of communication you can have with your system, GUI is just cosmetics.
Every single person I know who did the step never went back, and I'm pretty sure if it was taught in school people would see no reason going MS or Apple anymore, the younger you learn, the faster and more efficient you understand. Also human nature is lazy, so unless you have a specific interest in computer science, why would you bother, maybe as long as you have enough cash to spare on reparations when things get broken?
With Windows or Macintosh everything is given to you on a golden plate, but you pay good money for it and are also limited in what you can do, and the **** is full of spywares. To anyone saying he doesn't mind complete strangers having access to their machine, I will ask them: install telnet and let me enter your machine tonight, will you accept without hesitation?
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posted February 18, 2016 01:09 AM |
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Little offtopic but Vulkan is out, a open source API that is competition to directx 12
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posted February 18, 2016 01:15 AM |
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I never understood the fascination with fast boot times. I only truly reboot my computer maybe once every two weeks to one month - mostly when updates are required. Excluding the update time, it maybe takes 1-2 minutes to finish booting completely (never really timed it - I usually go do something else for a few minutes and come back). From sleep it takes about 10 seconds. I'm not sure what I gain by trimming those numbers down.
I'm more interested in stability and the interface.
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Galaad
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posted February 18, 2016 01:40 AM |
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Well, I took the example of boot time since everybody was talking about that.
If you aim for stability, Linux is the most stable of all, but Win 7 is more stable than Win 10, and honestly, I think Win 7's stability is OK if you watch out (don't download or install crapware without paying attention & good antivirus). Interface then is matter of taste.
I guess you should just get rid of the "getwin10" notifications by following procedure from links I provided in my first reply. For some reason I don't get them in my Win 7 (only have the discrete icon), but I guess it's ok, you can google a bit more to be sure.
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posted February 18, 2016 03:17 AM |
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Windows 10 is stable, but I've never had any stability problems with Windows 7 either. But I've had a few with Linux. Actually, as far as Linux goes, it's decent but there's no real reason to use it unless you're programming (and even not necessarily then) or if you don't want to pay for Windows.
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Galaad
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posted February 18, 2016 03:40 AM |
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mvassilev said:
Windows 10 is stable, but I've never had any stability problems with Windows 7 either. But I've had a few with Linux. Actually, as far as Linux goes, it's decent but there's no real reason to use it unless you're programming (and even not necessarily then) or if you don't want to pay for Windows.
BS. I don't program and use Linux for stability and security. I've used all three OS and this one is the most stable you can find. Unless you run distros like Ubuntu which comes with a lot of pre-installed stuff, there is nothing more solid, and still Ubuntu is more stable. Tell me how your windows works after a few years, you have to clean it from time to time, while on my Desktop I have a Debian for the last 5 years or so and it still runs just the same as after fresh install. Stability passes test of time. Of course any windows will run smooth on day one (or maybe not even, really, I'm surprised some people are speaking good about 10 here) but after time passes by it starts to decrease slowly. If you had some Linux issues, might be because you needed to get some drivers to work, you will almost always get Linux issues at first, until you fix them and it's fixed for life.
Anyway, this conversation is going to piss me off fast so we'll leave it at that.
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posted February 18, 2016 01:33 PM |
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@Galaad
Well like I wrote before, I think the issue in my country is the teacher's education when it's public/elementary schooling. I'd not be surprised if it's a general tendency.
But I think it's also a general issue with schools.. here children go there from they're 7 until they're 16 years old, and in those 9 years what they are expected to learn at the very least is to read, write and basic math understanding, something that is not on the schedule anymore after the first 3 years and something children below 7 can often learn. Also there's a higher focus on learning English in our modern era, something they'll be taught from they're 9, and can usually do well enough when they're ~13.. again unless they get taught at home at which point they may learn it long before. So 9 years are spend at something that often can be taught before they even begin at school or at very early school.. it could be much much better, but where I live, teacher's don't even go to high school typically, but directly to their main education which is mainly about pedagogy. Computer science classes here is basically play around with some windows software and if you finish fast you can play counter strike on lan. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind a relaxed attitude, what I do mind is the wasted potential, to me schools seems more like a place where parent can have their children while they themselves are at work, than a place to learn.
I think the most telling is how unhappy the children themselves are with having to spend 8 hours (~50% of their awake life during the next decade) at the boring school while they could imagine much more interesting activities. Something that repeats at all ages and something that tells me our schools aren't very optimal. Especially if it's first long after the age of 7 we realize what potential a school can offer us, something one would hopefully have realized before they even began.. in a way it's like there's this amazing thing you can do, but you don't know it's amazing and you're forced into it.. it's rather likely you won't find it amazing then.
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posted February 18, 2016 08:15 PM |
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mvassilev said:
Actually, as far as Linux goes, it's decent but there's no real reason to use it unless you're programming (and even not necessarily then) or if you don't want to pay for Windows.
Or if you're into web-hosting. Or into networking where pretty much all major vendors use some Unix-based OS for their products. Or into a huge array of enterprise-tier applications and databases of all sorts. Linux is not as convenient to use at home as Windows but when it comes to professional solutions, it outclasses it by a fairly good margin.
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Galaad
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posted February 18, 2016 08:30 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 20:31, 18 Feb 2016.
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Zenofex said:
Linux is not as convenient to use at home as Windows
Is just a matter of getting the grip of it. I'm not a very advanced Linux user but I can do without problem all the things I would do on Windows on a daily basis, only difference is that my system is spywares-free and well secured, will always stay fast, never crash and no weird surprises. So once you have some basics, I'd say is more convenient to use at home. But granted, there is a few difficulties to overcome at first.
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