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OmegaDestroyer
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posted April 13, 2016 02:18 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
Do these elections have the same amount of drama and tensions, or is it just this one?
It's great for ad revenue.
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fred79
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posted April 13, 2016 02:40 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 14:42, 13 Apr 2016.
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OmegaDestroyer said:
As to voting, at this point, I no longer intend to vote. My vote does not matter anyways.
this. just one of the reasons being, this. i mean, really, people. how many times do i have to reiterate?
edit: do, not to. snowing moron.
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Celfious
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posted April 13, 2016 02:53 PM |
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Edited by Celfious at 14:57, 13 Apr 2016.
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Sanders has a shot. All the rigging and BS is coming more and more into light. I think it was Vermont that just opened up ANOTHER investigation on clinton.
Even some of the media news casters are starting to point this out mainstream. Like MSNBC tearing into the DNC
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fred79
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posted April 13, 2016 03:31 PM |
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@ celf: yes, yessss. let it all come to light. show people that they can no longer hide behind their own delusions and the illusions pushed upon them by those that command their blind faith.
man, i love when stuff like this happens. anything that peels back the curtains of 1st-world bullsnow to reveal the truth to the self-deceivers and liars. 
now, let's see how long they can remember. if they even CHOOSE to incorporate truth into their cute little bubbles of self-delusion. 
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OmegaDestroyer
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Fox or Chicken?
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posted April 13, 2016 05:28 PM |
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No. Sanders does not have a shot. He never had a shot. It was always Hilary Clinton and will be Hilary Clinton.
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markkur
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posted April 13, 2016 08:23 PM |
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OmegaDestroyer said:
No. Sanders does not have a shot. He never had a shot. It was always Hilary Clinton and will be Hilary Clinton.
That's why people need to get off their butts and vote for Sanders. Sanders is not perfect, no one is but compared to the folks he is running against he is the best person that has ran in decades.
If anyone had blown-off the video-link I posted...watch it, it will not kill you and you will see what a "now honest" man, maybe a "turncoat" that wants to overthrow the SYSTEM, is met with by ALL Corporate owned media. This is not rocket science, it is control of the masses science.
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Neraus
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posted April 13, 2016 08:27 PM |
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Do I recall correctly when I remember that during one of the caucuses Bernie was completely left out?
I remember it being that you could only vote Shillary, and there I shouted: "DEMOCRACY EVERYONE!".
But really, if you guys want another democrat president at least elect Bernie, everything is better than Hitlary.
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fred79
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posted April 13, 2016 09:35 PM |
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it's like i'm talking to ducks, or something...
my rage has reached max levels. i'm getting the snow off the internet.
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EnergyZ
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posted April 13, 2016 09:53 PM |
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Neraus said:
But really, if you guys want another democrat president at least elect Bernie, everything is better than Hitlary.
Huh. That's demo(n)cracy for you.
But, looking at this all, it just a shame that every candidate has a big flaw a lot of sides are pointing out.
Here, in my country, one could say there was a "tie" for the government positions. The third-most political party wanted to make one government, which had representatives from both sides and act as one.
But, to most people, that party had messed up and instead went against their own agenda and sided up with one side. Things aren't going good now.
And that's why, sometimes, I believe, one should not elect politicians. A lot are incompetent, while the ones with a clear, good vision are somehow missing, in a sense that they are doing some minor jobs.
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Gryphs
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posted April 13, 2016 09:59 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
But, looking at this all, it just a shame that every candidate has a big flaw a lot of sides are pointing out.
I do not remember the last election where people were not pointing out flaws in a candidate.
I do not trust Hillary, and the GOP candidates are both putrid no matter where the nomination falls. I would vote for Bernie, but I do not think he is going anywhere unfortunately.
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markkur
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posted April 14, 2016 10:18 AM |
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fred79 said:
it's like i'm talking to ducks, or something...
my rage has reached max levels. i'm getting the snow off the internet.
Dude you're are Quacking-up.<g>
I went through the rage-stage but honestly my friend it is pointless and a waste of your time. As a matter of fact any negative reaction of any sort is not the way to go, unless you intend to DO something. You know take action as in Activism.
For whatever reasons most Americans are pissed off, talk about everything that is bad endlessly and even follow the news like some bizarre entertainment but what good is getting wound-up about anything if you intend to do nothing?
That's were I ended up anyway. Before I took that stance I had a checklist of BS a mile long that I could rant verbatim with passion but what possible good was that? It was worse than worthless, I was a walking time-bomb.
I posted this thread for one reason and that is I believe, just like every person's vote, every person matters. What if I shared what I did and someone here looking on gets fired-up and talks to so-in-so that talks to someone else etc. and then a fireball comes along and builds on Bernie's movement? We do not have a WAR here in the States to wake this Zombie nation up. So, unless we want to go all Conan the B, we better keep caring and trying to legally beat this rotten system.
@ Omega
What the heck happened in Mariposa County? The Abuse is unbelievable. I've been out of touch, so I would appreciate a brief legal timeline about what our diabolical government has been cooking-up to control votes. Since when can they tell an "Independent" they have NO VOTE?!
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Celfious
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posted April 19, 2016 04:51 AM |
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Edited by Celfious at 04:55, 19 Apr 2016.
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fred79
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posted April 19, 2016 07:33 AM |
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markkur said:
we better keep caring and trying to legally beat this rotten system.
you really think attempting to LEGALLY beat a rotten system that has insulated itself LEGALLY against repercussion will work? especially when THEY make the laws? any movement against them will be seen as a hostility, no matter what. it'd be like trying to usurp a judge, not even as a lawyer, but just someone sitting in the courtroom. the judge'd just laugh, bang his gavel, and fine you for "contempt of his court". let that sink in for a sec. you know damn well, that i'm right.
you know what happens when many people vote in the way they don't want? they just look the other way, and ignore the votes themselves(they've done it before; you know that. and they'll do it again, whenever it suits them). i'm telling you, it's just a circus show that they put on. YOU, nor I, nor ANYONE else without influence or real money, has ANY say in what goes on in politics. don't kid yourself, man. it's just part of the illusion that the general public is actually in control. they're not, man. they're just snowing not.
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Atronach
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posted May 14, 2016 04:07 AM |
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Then we should be building alternative institutions to government, such as private courts (mediation), private law enforcement (instead of calling the police), and similar institutions, while engaging in tax evasion to the extent that we can. I'm not sure that we should be giving up on the political process so easily, but I'm glad that some people are trying to make a peaceful exit.
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Ebonheart
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Rush the rush
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posted May 14, 2016 09:12 AM |
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I think it will be Clinton > Sanders, simply due to the fact that Clinton has already sold her soul to the lobbyists and will continue to do so when in office.
However it would be better odds to have Sanders vs Trump seeing as how Clinton would be so easy to roast.
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markkur
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posted May 14, 2016 02:26 PM |
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Atronach said:
I'm not sure that we should be giving up on the political process so easily,
They shouldn't...there is still more to lose. We need to learn how to organize and beat the Machine.
i.e. We can write-in our votes for President and if that still gets high-jacked then people might do more than only get po'd, drop-out and gripe about how bad the system is corrupted. As G. Washington warned in 1796 - we must move away from Have-a-Party Politics and get back to American-Politics.
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Atronach
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posted May 14, 2016 07:27 PM |
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[url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law"]Single-round winner-take-all voting systems naturally tend towards two parties[/url], so that's not going away even if we get rid of all possible corruption, it can only be changed through electoral reform, which is surprisingly unpopular. To a certain degree, though, partisanship in politics reflects partisanship in culture: there are different cultural groupings in the US and they form different alliances to advance their cultural preferences in the political realm. Since there are currently two parties, the alliances are mostly within the parties and not explicit, but in a multiparty system we'd have a variety of parties representing cultural groups (the Religious Rural Whites Party, the Silicon Valley Techies Party, etc) making explicit alliances to form a majority in government. The only way you can prevent that is by removing the political incentive, by reducing the government's cultural power and devolving more to local communities, but that has its own problems (from Jim Crow laws in the past to [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY]NIMBYs[/url] today).
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Kayna
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posted May 14, 2016 08:21 PM |
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It's sad that Bernie probably won't get it. Considering that Hillary has the whole mainstream media in her pocket and the finance of the rich backing her up, Bernie did one heck of a nice job. If we remove the stupid vote influenced by the mainstream media and donations, Bernie is clearly superior to Hillary, as a politician, as a person, and in quality of votes.
All I see in Hillary and Trump are two huge egos that wants to be president for the sake of being president, nothing more. People like that can change position anytime they want and thus cannot be trusted.
Bernie would've trashed Trump. Bernie vs Trump is a more classic red and blue match. But Hillary vs Trump? It's a very confusing match up. Hillary the crooked conservative wearing the mantle of liberalism versus Trump the equally red neck but also unstable that strangely enough, inspire more trust than Hillary, could defeat Hillary by suddenly appealing to the more liberal mindset, something he's doing right now.
1 day after he won the republican race, he sheds doubt on his own ultra red neck stance like the Mexican wall and ban on Muslims to get some liberal votes his side, and the joke is, people still think he's more trustworthy than Hillary, and he might win.
Nothing would prevent Trump from switching back to an ultra rich, 1% club stance if he's elected too. Maybe the whole "Trump is a danger for the people in power" thing is just a scare, maybe the liberals lost the moment Bernie lost by a small margin, maybe voting between Trump and Hillary doesn't change anything to the US' future.
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fred79
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posted May 14, 2016 09:39 PM |
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whoever wins, i'm no longer concerning myself with the fate of the u.s.
i'm done wishing for something better for the united states. the masses are just too snowing stupid. they've allowed themselves to be dumbed down generation after generation, and those at the top never thought that that'd come back to bite them in the ass. the u.s. is snowing doomed, man. intelligence just doesn't reign here.
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markkur
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posted May 15, 2016 04:55 PM |
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Atronach said:
Single-round winner-take-all voting systems naturally tend towards two parties so that's not going away even if we get rid of all possible corruption, it can only be changed through electoral reform, which is surprisingly unpopular.
A two-party system does not have to be a fail but corruption in any system or Government type is. Greed and Power are always the problems in the end.
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