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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Top 10 things that must always be present in Heroes Of Might And Magic
Thread: Top 10 things that must always be present in Heroes Of Might And Magic This thread is 3 pages long: 1 2 3 · «PREV
Stevie
Stevie


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Undefeatable Hero
posted October 10, 2016 05:02 PM

Like the ATB?
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Galaad
Galaad

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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted October 10, 2016 05:35 PM

I said h3 was taken as a basis, I didn't say h3 has been replicated.

Despite the differences here and there, you can't be saying there is little influence of h3 in h5's gameplay as a whole. The games that REALLY broke with the tradition were the less popular ones. Most likely major modding scene would be on h5 instead of h3 if it didn't contain the other issues I mentioned.
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AlHazin
AlHazin


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النور
posted October 10, 2016 05:38 PM

Then maybe the lack of popularity is due to the lack of adaptability to further players' interventions, like modding... etc.?

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verriker
verriker


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We don't need another 'eroes
posted October 10, 2016 05:43 PM

AlHazin said:
Then maybe the lack of popularity is due to the lack of adaptability to further players' interventions, like modding... etc.?


bingo lol

build a sufficiently open sandbox like Civilization does and suddenly none of this is even a discussion, we're all too busy modding and playing lol
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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted October 10, 2016 05:43 PM

Galaad said:
Most likely major modding scene would be on h5 instead of h3 if it didn't contain the other issues I mentioned.

Maybe. What keeps H3 going on this scale is the editor and the user friendly modding capabilities. The board game mentality of a 2D adventure map is much easier and fun when it comes to producing your own content. When I make H3 maps, I enjoy it as if I'm painting, tried H5 editor a few times, put aside the inefficiency and bugs, it's nowhere near fun. But maybe it wouldn't feel that way had it been better implemented.
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imid
imid


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posted October 10, 2016 08:02 PM

1. AI at least at the level of H3
2. A fast game
3. Different strategies for different castles and hexagons for the battle
(anybody with minimum knowledge of math understands why hexagons)
4. Map editor and RMG
5. Nice and "clean" graphics (King's Bounty were decent) ---

H5, despite some interesting features, is a broken game. UBI should prove that
they are able to complete a game before starting new ones --- in my opinion, they completely lost the credibility. If they are smart (that I really doubt), they should start with H4. I bet that this erwin guy has a very low IQ that's why he doesn't get well with people from the community who have interesting ideas or with Quantomas who at least can provide a decent AI. Stupid people = stupid decisions = H6-H7

About the long discussion here about new ideas, I guess nobody is against that if it's implemented correctly. But before anything else, I want my 1-5 points above if they want me to pay for the game. Otherwise….

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JollyJoker
JollyJoker


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Undefeatable Hero
posted October 10, 2016 09:17 PM

Play AoW 3.

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imid
imid


Hired Hero
posted October 11, 2016 12:16 AM

JollyJoker said:
Play AoW 3.


yep, thanks, it's exactly what i'm thinking

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Pollo2002
Pollo2002


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posted October 11, 2016 02:16 PM

I don´t want to go point by point, but most of the points are really bad imo and unimportant. Diversity? HAVE DIFFERENT Graphics for the same building? I hate that there are different graphics for the same building,

Squares are better than hexes imo

Also sufficient number of resources types. One of the most annoying aspects of heroes has been the nonsencial amount of resources.. why 7 resources? I have no idea, no game designer should have let that pass. Heroes 6 designer had the right idea when it came to cut the resources.

Late heroes (5+) only failed in a very key point imo. Graphics, those games are unbereablet to play, you can´t have this Zoomed in, 3d sight in a strategy game.
But a lot of the game design decisions of those games are great.

Clearly there are some decent game designers on those teams that had the unfortunate luck of be working for ubisoft which im sure in the one that pressure to have those horrible graphics in the game, which basically kill heroes.

I´m all for improving heroes, heroes5+ had proper 2d eagle eye vision wich clearl contrasted graphics and easy to visualize maps, and withi less horrible bugs. would have been great.
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yogi
yogi


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posted October 12, 2016 04:49 AM

artu said:
What keeps H3 going on this scale is the editor and the user friendly modding capabilities. The board game mentality of a 2D adventure map is much easier and fun when it comes to producing your own content. When I make H3 maps, I enjoy it as if I'm painting, tried H5 editor a few times, put aside the inefficiency and bugs, it's nowhere near fun.


so well put!

please hand write this in a letter and mail it to ubisoft a thousand times
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fred79
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posted October 12, 2016 04:53 AM

artu said:
The board game mentality of a 2D adventure map is much easier and fun when it comes to producing your own content. When I make H3 maps, I enjoy it as if I'm painting


couldn't have put it better myself.

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Stevie
Stevie


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posted October 12, 2016 03:43 PM
Edited by Stevie at 15:45, 12 Oct 2016.

Honestly, he's preaching to the choir. It is very well known that H3's editor is far more easily accessible and user friendly than H5's and no one denies it.
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Sumsum
Sumsum


Adventuring Hero
posted October 15, 2016 05:39 PM

I hate to say it, but even the WoG's editor is better than the Heroes 5's one. O_o

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theSilent
theSilent

Tavern Dweller
posted May 07, 2020 04:44 AM

Salamandre said:
Stevie said:

The 6/7/th slots was a good innovation.


What are "6/7/th slots"?
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theSilent
theSilent

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posted May 07, 2020 05:05 AM

Pollo2002 said:
HAVE DIFFERENT Graphics for the same building? I hate that there are different graphics for the same building,


I agree.

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Pollo2002 said:
Squares are better than hexes imo


Please explain your point.
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Hourglass
Hourglass


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posted May 07, 2020 10:33 AM
Edited by Hourglass at 10:34, 07 May 2020.

theSilent said:


Please explain your point.


Dude, do you realize that you're demanding an answer to a post that was made nearly 4 years ago?

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