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posted January 29, 2017 02:37 AM |
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phe said:
Germany lost it as retribution for all their crimes and damage done during WW2...
US crimes against Mexico and Mexican people are tremendous...against many other countries too...Mexico should get back its lands and retribution...these other countries should get retribution from US too...
They aren't Mexican lands. The Mexicans seized those lands from Spain, their rightful overlords, who liberated them from the Pueblo native cultures for the glory of God.
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posted January 29, 2017 03:18 AM |
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kipshasz said:
Let's theorize a bit here.
Let's say the secession thing passes and USA is left with 49 states and the transition to an independent nation (lol, that'll happen) goes smoothly. Then what? Do these whiners have a plan of sorts, what to do next? The liberals aiming for this must realise that when seceded, there will be no federal funds to leech, and Soros and company cannot survive long on organ transplants(sooner or later their organisms will begin to show signs of exhaustion from the surgeries) to keep injecting them with funds.
Also, just how many of Californians, not the ones from Liberal cesspits like Los Angeles and San Francisco, are supporting this notion? Not many I think.
In all reality, this is the part of liberal tantrum, just because Trump won.
California is an unlikely candidate because even if almost 100 percent of Democrats miraculously wanted independence, 1/3rd of the state is Republican.
There are two states with an actual historical indendence movement: Vermont and Hawaii, both of whom are somewhat isolated because of either ocean or terrain and have a more distinct political climate. Hawaii in particular would be committing economic suicide by doing so, but that doesn't necessarily stop anyone.
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posted January 29, 2017 05:02 AM |
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The blue bus... Is callin' us... The blue bus... Is callin' us...
Driver, where you takin' us?
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posted January 29, 2017 05:45 AM |
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Edited by orzie at 06:11, 29 Jan 2017.
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phe said:
Alaska was sold to US...
Alaska was given in long-term rent, "... to cede to the United States...". No one cares in XXI century though, and no one knows the most truth.
Hint: "to cede" is not the same as "to be sold".
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posted January 29, 2017 06:13 AM |
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Edited by Kayna at 06:14, 29 Jan 2017.
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They are blinded by god emperor Trump's holiness. His hair shines like gold upon the sea of plebs and the Sun shines the most beautiful volumetric godrays that would make Bethesda jealous upon him whenever he walks outside.
He also likes oranges so he would never allow them to leave. Trump shreds legal papers for breakfast and creates new ones out of nothing in the afternoon.
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posted January 29, 2017 08:29 AM |
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The liberals aiming for this must realise that when seceded, there will be no federal funds to leech, and Soros and company cannot survive long on organ transplants
If California seceded Washington and Oregon would definitely join and Hawaii would likely also join. Also, California pays more in taxes then it gets back from the federal government, so it would definitely be in our own interest to do so. If you want to see who leeches off the federal government most just look to all the states that elected Donald Trump.
Here's one source. I've seen others that show an even bigger difference between what California sends to the federal government and what it gets back.
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posted January 29, 2017 09:42 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
They aren't Mexican lands. The Mexicans seized those lands from Spain, their rightful overlords, who liberated them from the Pueblo native cultures for the glory of God.
Native tribes to primitive to rule...taken by Spain(would have been taken by any other those days powers anyway)...justified rebellion against careless crown mistreating colonies by high taxation...both Spain and Mexico should get back their lands lost to USA and reunite under same crown some day...
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posted January 29, 2017 09:45 AM |
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Oh, yeah, Cali has Hollywood, forgot about that, FoG. I'm guessing that is the major source of taxes from the state.
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posted January 29, 2017 11:59 AM |
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artu said:
When you say "way before" are you talking about the historical origins of the conflict that goes back centuries, or do you mean people talking about protestant/catholic conflict are manufacturing a revisionist "bullocks" that wasn't even the heart of the matter in the 19th or 20th century?
What I was explained was that the separatist Catholic Irish were not only in conflict with the English but were also in conflict with the northern Protestant Irish. Needless to say, I'm not talking about a "theological" conflict but a social/political one.
neither of that mate, I'm just talking about the current political climate where anecdotally for relatives, colleagues, other mates from NI, the religion angle of old really takes a back seat as a smokescreen now in the 21st century, for the past decade or so it's much more to do with built up revenge and who gets political control of the land lol
of course you are absolutely right that Catholics vs Protestants is the origin of the conflict, just to note that in the present day it is pure nationalism for the most part lol
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posted January 30, 2017 02:43 AM |
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kipshasz said:
Oh, yeah, Cali has Hollywood, forgot about that, FoG. I'm guessing that is the major source of taxes from the state.
Independence wouldn't actually be good for California, or at the very least, it would be almost impossible to predict what exactly would happen because of so, so many variables. California covers the southern Pacific coast and has a large body of people that pay enormous sums into taxes, which will offset the poorer population in the state. It's also home to Silicon Valley. Once independence takes places, there would be an inevitable reshuffling of businesses and people, so that it's hard to say what the situation would be like afterward. If you can keep all of the high-earners in California and maintain the same high tax rate, then that would mean a lot of money not being used in a much broader sense towards federal programs, but used specifically towards Californians, so the wealth would become insulated within the new nation.
Hawaii would be almost certainly negative, because many of its wealthy people are those who have summer homes that sit vacant the majority of the year and it's doubtful they would claim Hawaii as their place of citizenship, unless the state somehow attracted them, such as paying a significantly lower tax rate than what they could find in the continental US. There are a large number of people in Hawaii with a rather poor education or prospects for upward mobility.
In the case of California, there would become a "tax competition" between itself and the US in order to try to retain the population. Ditto on the corporate end. Once the smoke cleared, there would either be a wealthy California or one whose businesses were drained and relocated back east. Broccoli pizza would become the primary revenue of San Francisco (delicious, but probably not a big earner of cash). Los Angeles would use Hollywood.
If we think about all of the legal & logistical complications ensuing from the UK's moronic departure from the EU, multiply those complications for a US state - particularly a large US state with a lot of coast - departing from the Union. Ports. Naval bases. Gas & electric & water lines. Military reshuffling. Claims of citizenship or dual citizenship. It would be madness.
I think one strong motivator, though, for Californian independence, is what a pimp national flag they would have:
Compare that to the Hawaii state flag, which is traitorous for obvious reasons  :
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posted January 30, 2017 03:07 AM |
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"United we stand, divided we fall"
Democrats showed their true colors.
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posted January 30, 2017 03:25 AM |
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I think one strong motivator, though, for Californian independence, is what a pimp national flag they would have:
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posted January 30, 2017 03:34 AM |
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phe said:
Blizzardboy said:
They aren't Mexican lands. The Mexicans seized those lands from Spain, their rightful overlords, who liberated them from the Pueblo native cultures for the glory of God.
Native tribes to primitive to rule...taken by Spain(would have been taken by any other those days powers anyway)...justified rebellion against careless crown mistreating colonies by high taxation...both Spain and Mexico should get back their lands lost to USA and reunite under same crown some day...
Phe, you have no idea what you're talking about. Our conversation stops here.
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posted January 30, 2017 05:22 AM |
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AlexSpl said:
"United we stand, divided we fall"
Democrats showed their true colors.
Republicans did the same thing in Texas when Obama was elected the 2cnd time.
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