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posted March 28, 2017 07:07 PM |
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Edited by artu at 22:05, 28 Mar 2017.
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The budget for Department of Religious Affairs
1 Dollar = 3.62 Turkish Liras
And here is the expense of our Department of Religious Affairs through the years:
2006: 1.452.773.000 TL
2007: 1.770.444.000 TL
2008: 2.099.663.000 TL
2009: 2.572.858.000 TL
2010: 2.733.107.000 TL
2011: 3.392.977.000 TL
2012: 4.254.371.000 TL
2013: 4.971.485.000 TL
2014: 5.705.467.000 TL
2015: 6.037.744.000 TL
This surpasses the budgets of 12 ministries including the ministries of Foreign Affairs, Energy, Industry, Culture... I guess, if those overpaid imams pray real hard, we'll be colonizing Mars in the near future. And on top of this, they are asking for more now and complaining about insufficient funds but hey, we are a secular state!
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posted March 28, 2017 07:20 PM |
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me personally, i hate the fact that religious snow isn't taxed. that's bullsnow. if they want to build snow and take up space, they should have to pay the goddamn price just like everyone else. and don't give me that "church and state should stay seperate". i don't suppose anyone has ever seen what those people who aren't taxed are buying with all their tax-free income? it sure isn't a bright new future for the poor in spirit, that's for goddamn sure.
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posted March 28, 2017 07:26 PM |
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Are those billions?
Man you Turks are rich, why are you trying to get into the EU?
We got into it and now we're accelerating our decay. 
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posted March 28, 2017 07:27 PM |
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They are billions but in this case I wish they weren't.
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posted March 28, 2017 07:39 PM |
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Edited by artu at 19:40, 28 Mar 2017.
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fred79 said:
me personally, i hate the fact that religious snow isn't taxed. that's bullsnow. if they want to build snow and take up space, they should have to pay the goddamn price just like everyone else. and don't give me that "church and state should stay seperate". i don't suppose anyone has ever seen what those people who aren't taxed are buying with all their tax-free income? it sure isn't a bright new future for the poor in spirit, that's for goddamn sure.
That's how your "Scientology" cult turned into a financial monster. Once they were recognized as an official religion, they had a free pass on everything. Be sure to watcn this, download it as a torrent if you have to. It's an incredible documentary not just about Scientology but about what mass delusion does, how faith spoon feeds unquestionable power and how the psychosis of one person develops into an organized machine of coercion and control.
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posted March 28, 2017 08:49 PM |
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artu said:
... we are a secular state!
I guess many haven't realised that this boat has sailed a while ago?
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posted March 28, 2017 09:02 PM |
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Neraus said:
Are those billions?
Man you Turks are rich, why are you trying to get into the EU?
We got into it and now we're accelerating our decay.
They want it too. It's nigh time to remove the you know what. deus cruor vult.
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posted March 28, 2017 09:06 PM |
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What does that Department do?
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posted March 28, 2017 09:19 PM |
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Edited by artu at 21:25, 28 Mar 2017.
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Maurice said:
artu said:
... we are a secular state!
I guess many haven't realised that this boat has sailed a while ago?
It's greatly compromised but we're still not a theocracy either. You can keep on living as if not much has changed if you're middle class in a big city, you can be openly non-religious. It wouldn't play out great in most business circles though. You can criticize religion but if you do it on mainstream media and if you are "someone," they'll come at you, find some backdoor way to put you in trouble. The seacoast provinces are still much better and culturally Mediterranean compared to the Eastern ones, think of them like the "blue states" in the U.S.
But even if AKP is out of power tomorrow, it would take at least 20 years or so to completely fix the mental shift they caused sociologically.
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What does that Department do?
Pay for state imams, maintenance of mosques, publishing and distribution of religious material, prepare activities and conferences etc. Basically, anything involving the organized affairs of Sunni Islam.
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posted March 28, 2017 09:24 PM |
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artu said:
about what mass delusion does, how faith spoon feeds unquestionable power and how the psychosis of one person develops into an organized machine of coercion and control.
not to derail your thread, but what do you think would be the outcome if i were to start my own "religion" with what i've seen/experienced? because i don't think there'd BE any churches, prayer, or anything of the sort.
wouldn't you say, that if i were to create a "religion" out of my own experience, that it would indeed be the best one? since we're all from the same light, and all. no need to coerce/control/kill anyone for breaking any laws/commandments/beliefs(since it appears not to matter what anyone does or thinks in life), no bible, no nothing. just spread the word that physical reality is an illusion, and we're all part of the same everlasting energy/light, without death.
do you think that would be a good thing? or would it bring about the collapse of civilization as we know it, if what i've seen and experienced were understood as truth?
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posted March 28, 2017 09:27 PM |
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I don't think you'd find too many followers, fred.
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posted March 28, 2017 09:39 PM |
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Hm, I find this concept strange. It somehow reminds me of my University.
What I first thought was something like tithe. But it seems that people pays taxes and fees to State and part of it goes for that Department, not a direct payment. Non-religious people, in a way, are not going to be benefited from that. Is that how it works?
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posted March 28, 2017 09:57 PM |
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artu said:
I don't think you'd find too many followers, fred.
you're probably right. good thing it doesn't matter what people believe anyway. 
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posted March 28, 2017 09:58 PM |
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PandaTar said:
Hm, I find this concept strange. It somehow reminds me of my University.
What I first thought was something like tithe. But it seems that people pays taxes and fees to State and part of it goes for that Department, not a direct payment. Non-religious people, in a way, are not going to be benefited from that. Is that how it works?
Yes, it's exactly how it works. Of course, all tax works like that to a degree, not everybody's benefiting from every bridge, health service, museum, art fund, wellfare etc. But this is kind of an extreme version where it is no more a service but rather a budget devouring instrument of very specific indoctrination. For instance, there are about 12 million people who are Alevi, a very different and secular sect of Islam (which most Sunnis don't even consider Islam) and they get no service either.
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