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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Worst hero speciality? (HOMM3)
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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Supreme Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted April 04, 2017 06:59 PM

Poll Question:
Worst hero speciality? (HOMM3)

Who do you think has the worst speciality in Heroes 3?


Responses:
Melodia (Fortune) Having both Luck & Fortune is a little much maybe.
Uland (Cure) Wow a few more hp healed.
Coronius (Slayer) How often do you cast Slayer?
Inteus (Bloodlust) 3 of Confluxes units are immune to fire and 2 are ranged.
Creature specialists (Like Ignatius, Straker, Piquedram etc.)
Astral (Hypnotize) Hypnotize: The spell that never works.
Gird (Sorcery) Sorcery special when she get so little Power and Knowledge.
Mirlanda (Weakness) Dragonflies already cause weakness.
Skill specialists (Navigation, Eagle Eye, First Aid, Mysticism)
Other (Write in comments)
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tyranuxus
tyranuxus


Hired Hero
posted April 04, 2017 07:23 PM

Melodia (Fortune) Having both Luck & Fortune is a little much maybe.
You don't have probably Melodia on higher lv than 1, so Fortune makes difference.

Uland (Cure) Wow a few more hp healed.
But He starts also with Wisdom and Scholar. If you have mentioned that Melodia starts with Luck secondary skill, I can say, it's not bad combination and specialty doesn't matI can say, it's not bad combination and specialty doesn't matter.

Inteus (Bloodlust) 3 of Confluxes units are immune to fire and 2 are ranged.
I agree.

Creature specialists (Like Ignatius, Straker, Piquedram etc.)
Demons specialty, Imps specialty, Trogs specialty, there are some worth it. This one more speed for unit makes difference.

Astral (Hypnotize) Hypnotize: The spell that never works.
Spell itself is good but its scaling to SP is low. Anyway, I saw use of it taking neutral citys with almost no guards. What doesnt change the fact, that his specialty didn't help much and I could do similar with Magic Arrow.

Gird (Sorcery) Sorcery special when she get so little Power and Knowledge.
Sorcery is not that bad. Example? In multiplayer you could have the moment, when you can catch your opponent. If you have acces to good spells, even Chain Lighting, Lighing Bolt or Armageddon, you want to do maximum damage. They can help you with that.

Mirlanda (Weakness) Dragonflies already cause weakness.
One time I saved my Wyverns in the Dragon Fly Hive only becouse I casted Weakness on enemy Dragon Fly. My unit survived with 1HP. The specialty is making this spell stronger and that saved me a little. Also you don't have always Dragon Flies or you don't want to sacrafice them. In bigger picture though, useless.

Skill specialists (Navigation, Eagle Eye, First Aid, Mysticism)
Yes and not. For water maps Navigation specialty is even too strong. The rest is useless always.

That's my interpretation. Interesting topic.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted April 04, 2017 08:05 PM

tyranuxus Uland does'nt have Scholar, he has Ballistics. Coronius has Scholar.
What about Melodia as your main hero?
Yeah some creature specialists are excellent like Galthran with skeletons. But to specialise in imps who are going to be sacrificed one way or another, zombies that have very low speed and very little damage or gargoyles with low damage and no ressurection might be bad.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Supreme Hero
posted April 04, 2017 09:14 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 21:15, 04 Apr 2017.

The idea that all heroes must be good to fight is too simplistic. One of my favorite heroes is Aine and she is the crapyest fighter but her skills and specialty make her an excellent supporting hero, the same goes for Piquedram with Scouting and specialty in speed 9 creature, I've used him often when I couldn't get Miriam or Beatrice

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MeKickFAN
MeKickFAN

Tavern Dweller
posted April 04, 2017 11:19 PM

Chris tells me that Sorcery is one of the best!!!!!!

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BlackMagik
BlackMagik


Adventuring Hero
posted April 06, 2017 03:46 PM

I think that most hero specialties outside of the skill specialists like Armorer/Offense/Archery/Logistics, and possibly Mullich's +2 to creature speed, are of marginal usefulness.

A few creature specialties come in handy at times for the extra movement and A/D, but IIRC, no hero has a lvl 7 creature specialty where it could really make a difference.

I know Sorcery is very low on many players list, but a Sorcery specialist having one (or more) of the elemental orbs, and casting at expert lvl in that element, has the potential to do some serious damage.

If I had to vote, I'd say the specific spell specialties are the worst. Outside of  maybe Soly's Chain Lightning, or the Resurrection specialists, there are few others that are truly useful.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Supreme Hero
posted April 07, 2017 12:31 AM

BlackMagik said:
no hero has a lvl 7 creature specialty where it could really make a difference.

Have you noticed that are Shakty and Galthran that are considered OP, not Synca and Tamika? You need to be at level 35 to give the same bonus to that creature Mutare gives to dragons.

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batoonike
batoonike


Known Hero
posted April 07, 2017 04:40 PM

Most creature specialist look better than most spell specialist. Almost all spell specialists are quite useless, except for the fact that they start with a good spell like resurrection. All creature specialists give +1 speed which is at least a little bit useful in almost all situations.

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Golemlord
Golemlord

Tavern Dweller
posted April 10, 2017 01:49 PM

Most useless I think is Astral's Hypnotize.

Very boring and useless too are the numerous Heroes with Eagle Eye-speciality (Geon, Malcom, Nimbus, Oris, Sanya, Serena, Tiva: so every old faction besides Inferno has one of these wasted heroes). But some weeks ago,I played a szenario, where it was usefull at beginning to learn spells.


The third for me is Torosars "Artillery", because I never get the skill if there is no witch hut.

In total, there are three wasted Tower-Heroes in my opinion.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted April 10, 2017 04:44 PM

Yeah Astral is nothing special.
I think a lot of people will agree about Eagle Eye specialists being bad. Inferno might not have an Eagle Eye specialist, but they still have Ash that starts with Eagle Eye and she is also bad.
I actually think Torosar is pretty good, mostly because of his Tactics, sucks when he starts without ballista though.

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batoonike
batoonike


Known Hero
posted April 10, 2017 07:26 PM

Torosar is great.

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Golemlord
Golemlord

Tavern Dweller
posted April 12, 2017 11:44 AM

If Torosar had the second skill Artillery, I would like him much. But without it, the speciality is worthless in my opinion (the additional effect is minimal and you can't controll the ballista neither the arrow towers).

And it is hopeless to try to get the skill without visiting a witch hut or scholars, etc., it is impossible.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted April 12, 2017 12:50 PM

Alchemists have 4 out of 112 chance to learn Artillery, so it's not impossible, but it's not the easiest skill for them to learn either. (They have 5 out of 112 to learn Archery, which is great for a full Tower army.)

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P4R4D0X0N
P4R4D0X0N


Famous Hero
posted April 12, 2017 06:04 PM

Most useless still is "Eagle Eye" -> too conditional, 90% of gameplay without any relevance and even then only 40% at max. while not sure you gonna win the fight in the first place (and keep the spells) (other heroes may have specialties much better than EE special in fights, this lowers your chance to win) furthermore no use for map spells like DD and other stuff.

Sorcery is strong but only on Dracageddon and with much spellpower. Malekith, Zydar work well with (Immune untis aswell), Sandro is kinda ok, while Styg and Gird suck at it (no lvl4+ guild and no immune units).

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phe
phe


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posted April 13, 2017 06:29 AM
Edited by phe at 06:33, 13 Apr 2017.

P4R4D0X0N said:
Most useless still is "Eagle Eye" -> too conditional, 90% of gameplay without any relevance and even then only 40% at max. while not sure you gonna win the fight in the first place (and keep the spells) (other heroes may have specialties much better than EE special in fights, this lowers your chance to win) furthermore no use for map spells like DD and other stuff.


let's give to Eagle Eye a possibility to learn Dimension Door, Town Portal, Water Walk, Fly if they are used by enemy not far from hero...

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted April 13, 2017 09:14 AM

Seems like Melodia has one of the worst specials, she never need hers, since she already has Luck.
So what do you think, does she deserve a new special and what should it be?
Any other heroes that needs a new special, perhaps Inteus?

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phe
phe


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posted April 13, 2017 11:06 AM
Edited by phe at 11:12, 13 Apr 2017.

phoenix4ever said:
Seems like Melodia has one of the worst specials, she never need hers, since she already has Luck.
So what do you think, does she deserve a new special and what should it be?


as she neither has a good appearence or the name we should change her for other hero...

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Golemlord
Golemlord

Tavern Dweller
posted April 13, 2017 12:24 PM

I haven't thought about the useless bloodlust for Inteus before, but after reading it here and thinking about Conflux, there are only Sprites for usage left. That is nearly worthless, I agree (maybe a fight against Astral, who hypnotizes the bloody Sprites, would see who is more worthless).

I would love,if new specialities could be created, for example for Medusas,Centaur,Air-Elementals.

I think it is Evocacius who can make two clones of one creature in battle. That is fantastic. New specialities in this matter could improve magic-heroes a lot.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Supreme Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted April 13, 2017 12:39 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 12:43, 13 Apr 2017.

Yes only Sprites and Magma Elementals are affected by Bloodlust. (and Storm and Ice Elementals, but they are ranged.)

New specials would be interesting. Medusas would be fine, Centaurs would be OP I think, since Centaurs are already the best level 1 unit.
But a Planeswalker with Air Elementals instead of Thunar, since she is just a bad copy of Erdamon anyway.

And Eovacius is great, perhaps even OP.
Zilare on the other hand, he starts with Forgetfulness and that's good, but the only thing the special do is double duration. Duration is rarely an issue anyway.

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Golemlord
Golemlord

Tavern Dweller
posted April 13, 2017 02:16 PM

Maybe it would be interesting, to have a slow-specialist in opposite to Brissa. Creatures affected with slow would be even more slowly (if it is not OP).

Anyway it is stupid to have Grindan and Gelare with speciality "gold". One of them should be changed.

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