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Thecastrated
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posted April 06, 2024 05:11 PM |
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Speed.
It not only tank hits it allows other speed five to be their in full view of full arrow archers
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Phoenix4ever
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posted April 06, 2024 07:26 PM |
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Yeah okay, but then you could just say you wanted to steal Christian's ballista or a ballista from any other hero, it does'nt really have anything to do with maining Christian.
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Rimgrabber
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posted April 06, 2024 10:00 PM |
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In my experience ballista is actually a pretty good damage dealer in early AI fights if you don't mind stalling out the enemy a bit. The chip damage really builds up against weak neutral armies if you kite them well. It helps preserve troops early game. But the specialization and starting skills Christian has don't really do much. If you get him in the tavern its a nice money saver to get a complimentary ballista but I would rather use Adela or a hero from a different faction as my main and I'd rather pick Valeska or Haart as my starting hero for the extra archers or gold.
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Hourglass
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posted April 07, 2024 12:11 AM |
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I've been documenting a complete ranking (based on nothing but my own experience) for all heroes, which I'm planning to release to HC in the near future. It's for Hota, so there are some major changes (mainly diplomacy). For Castle spesificially, the list currently looks like this:
1) (Mullich) Banned in Hota, not to be seen anywhere, and thus doesn't really make sense to rate him here.
1) Valeska (Archers and Marksman offer really solid and easy start for the game, easy to develop due Archery)
2) Orrin (A very strong hero, if you can find a way to utilize the Archery)
3) Caitlin (not really the go-to main, but offers Gold income, and can cast her starting spell, Cure, for up to 4 times due having Intelligence)
4) Sylvia (well, Navigation is a good skill if needed.)
5) Beatrice (Actually pretty good main if no one better shows up, Scouting skill in general useful for secondary heroes)
6) Lord Haart (Gold income, not really a good main, but perhaps works in pinch)
7) Cuthbert (probably the least useful gold hero, but income is always important)
8) Adelaide (can work as a main, Adv. Wisdom is pretty neat starting skill, she can learn magic school at level 3, and max it up by lvl 5.)
9) Christian (really nothing going with him, but he does come up with Ballista, which is a pretty neat thing.)
10) Tyris (Tactics for early battles and safety)
11) Sorsha (Solid main hero in pinch)
12) Rion (Provides First aid tent, can possibly clear weak lvl 1 neutrals during week one with starting griffins and tent only)
13) Adela (guaranteed, but nerfed Diplomacy)
14) Loynis (can be a fun hero to play, but mostly a trap, Prayer needs Water magic and Loynis has dead weight with Learning skill)
15) Edric (Somewhat okay skills, but usually all he does is messing up the early game by providing birds instead of Archers)
16) Ingham (useless specialty, weak secondary skills, Curse as fine starting spell)
17) Sanya (Currently rated as the second worst hero in entire game)
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thecastrated
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posted April 07, 2024 06:14 AM |
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Is hourglass still popular? Is there an equivalent in Hota? Hourglass
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Ghost
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posted April 07, 2024 08:42 PM |
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Hourglass isn't an expert or pro, but good guy..
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Thecastrated
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posted April 07, 2024 09:13 PM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
Yeah okay, but then you could just say you wanted to steal Christian's ballista or a ballista from any other hero, it does'nt really have anything to do with maining Christian.
It has actually. You use him to aim to kill the foremost stack to your archers
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Phoenix4ever
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posted April 07, 2024 09:49 PM |
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Ghost said:
Hourglass isn't an expert or pro, but good guy..
Well nobody is, but we all try our best. 
Hourglass is a great guy btw.
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Hourglass
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posted April 08, 2024 06:14 PM |
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Ghost said:
Hourglass isn't an expert or pro, but good guy..
Phoenix4ever said:
Well nobody is, but we all try our best.
Hourglass is a great guy btw.
I thought if he meant to ask if Hota was still popular. But thank you guys, this made my day 
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 08, 2024 06:32 PM |
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Hourglass said:
1) (Mullich) Banned in Hota, not to be seen anywhere, and thus doesn't really make sense to rate him here.
1) Valeska (Archers and Marksman offer really solid and easy start for the game, easy to develop due Archery)
2) Orrin (A very strong hero, if you can find a way to utilize the Archery)
3) Caitlin (not really the go-to main, but offers Gold income, and can cast her starting spell, Cure, for up to 4 times due having Intelligence)
4) Sylvia (well, Navigation is a good skill if needed.)
5) Beatrice (Actually pretty good main if no one better shows up, Scouting skill in general useful for secondary heroes)
6) Lord Haart (Gold income, not really a good main, but perhaps works in pinch)
7) Cuthbert (probably the least useful gold hero, but income is always important)
8) Adelaide (can work as a main, Adv. Wisdom is pretty neat starting skill, she can learn magic school at level 3, and max it up by lvl 5.)
9) Christian (really nothing going with him, but he does come up with Ballista, which is a pretty neat thing.)
10) Tyris (Tactics for early battles and safety)
11) Sorsha (Solid main hero in pinch)
12) Rion (Provides First aid tent, can possibly clear weak lvl 1 neutrals during week one with starting griffins and tent only)
13) Adela (guaranteed, but nerfed Diplomacy)
14) Loynis (can be a fun hero to play, but mostly a trap, Prayer needs Water magic and Loynis has dead weight with Learning skill)
15) Edric (Somewhat okay skills, but usually all he does is messing up the early game by providing birds instead of Archers)
16) Ingham (useless specialty, weak secondary skills, Curse as fine starting spell)
17) Sanya (Currently rated as the second worst hero in entire game)
That's a pretty good ranking, I say. I mostly played with Valeska, Orrin and Caitlin as mains. I tried Edric a few times because I liked starting with griffins, and sometimes Loynis too because of Prayer, but I agree they're really not that great. It's probably for the better that Hota nerfed Diplomacy and that Sir Mullich is banned.
Sylvia is cool for water maps but I usually go with Fortress and Voy there.
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thecastrated
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posted April 08, 2024 07:04 PM |
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Why is Orrin below Valeska? Valeska takes level 40 to double Mark's man attack and defence while Orrin takes only level 20.
Hourglass is/was a popular map in h3
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Hourglass
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posted April 08, 2024 07:21 PM |
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thecastrated said:
Why is Orrin below Valeska? Valeska takes level 40 to double Mark's man attack and defence while Orrin takes only level 20.
Simply put, Valeska works as starting hero, whereas Orrin really does not, as there's no real advantage of starting with him. Therefore, Valeska is much more consistent, and will get better results (faster) than Orrin can. Sadly, Castle doesn't really have a good alternative for Valeska when it comes to starting heroes. Obviously Orrin's specialty is better scaling for the late game in mind, and in a situation where Orrin decides to show up in tavern during the first day, there's not really point of holding Valeska, and Orrin will take her place.
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HeymlicH
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posted April 08, 2024 08:54 PM |
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Edited by HeymlicH at 20:55, 08 Apr 2024.
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Rimgrabber said:
In my experience ballista is actually a pretty good damage dealer in early AI fights if you don't mind stalling out the enemy a bit. The chip damage really builds up against weak neutral armies if you kite them well.
When did castle ever have problems beating weak neutral armies in week 1? Just upgrade your Archers, add some pikes to protect them, and pick a proper hero as main. Ballista might be helpful for Stronghold or Inferno, but castle doesn't need that.
thecastrated said:
Why is Orrin below Valeska?
It's because of the +1 speed for archers. Orrin's special does little on low levels.
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Thecastrated
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posted April 08, 2024 08:57 PM |
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1Sp is not that important for archers
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Thecastrated
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posted April 08, 2024 09:34 PM |
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The reason this thread is going off is because the title is ambiguous. Best what? Best starting, main, or best hero to have(Gold)?
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Phoenix4ever
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posted April 08, 2024 09:47 PM |
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Well when I made these polls almost 6 years ago, I thought overall greatest hero for that town. (So probably main.)
I realise now that some heroes are good starters (like Valeska) some are better suited as mains later in the game (like Orrin) and yes then there are gold and resource heroes, which are always great, but mostly considered as secondary heroes.
Personally I always pick random starting hero VS AI, so I have mained everything from Logistics and Armorer specialists to Eagle Eye and Zombie specialists.
It's fun, at least VS stupid AI.
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted April 09, 2024 08:33 AM |
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When Magician, Warrior and Master (RoE), today WoG/ERA and HotA.. I picked the best Orrin goes to the Castle, and I changed avatar and name is Kendal, Gen. Guile.. But what? You said gold, so pro for Lord Haart, but greater player like me   If I'm joking, thus Caitlin is much better than Lord Haart, IMO. Why? Estates is wasted and useless skill to me, but Elite (SoD) map, I taught Estates. Gold bonus means creature dwellings.. So I'm aged or the thing is a very old.. I hate Valeska, when over level 27 is rare, if 99 stats, but you will die at Implosion or Armageddon.. Think about 999 stats, but only armies/troops of the week, for example vs Dungeon, and Dungeon casts Armageddon.. So you can beat the AI or human by tactics, hit & run, etc You can check on Twitch that they are playing much lesser troops or stats vs another larger troops or stats.. The thing isn't new again.. But Estates 
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Hourglass
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posted April 09, 2024 04:38 PM |
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Thecastrated said:
The reason this thread is going off is because the title is ambiguous. Best what? Best starting, main, or best hero to have(Gold)?
When asked for "the best", I usually tend to see it as what hero would get most wins / which would win the fastest, but with consistent rate.
In hota, for many towns, the lvl 1 or lvl 2 creature specialist are the best heroes, or atleast close for being the best due handling out an actual army for the first week, giving them a massive advantage in comparison for other heroes.
Secondary heroes in form of income, scouting, scholar or such I wouldn't call the best, as whereas they're useful, they don't tend draw you to the finish line like main hero's raw power and good skills tend to do, so their power is something that can be somewhat more compensated.
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Thecastrated
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posted April 09, 2024 08:22 PM |
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Hourglass
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posted April 09, 2024 09:34 PM |
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Thecastrated said:
Why hota but not h3?
You mean in this context?
Usually I tend to keep talking on the original game when it comes to threads like this. However, the hero list I gave earlier was based on bigger project, which is based entirely Hota, and I didn't felt like rethinking the whole list for SoD for this purpose only. So I just basically continued talking about a subject I previously mentioned.
And on general level, when somewhat more competetive enviroments, "meta" talks or such are discussed, I feel there really isn't a good reason why Hota would not be included, since that's where the competitive side of Homm3 is in anyway.
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