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phoenix4ever
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posted March 25, 2019 08:52 AM |
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Teleport spell (HoMM3)
What's with the Teleport spell? A level 3 water spell that costs 15/12/6/3 mana.
It's the only spell in the game that gets cheaper at advanced and expert levels. At expert level it only costs 3 mana, making it the cheapest combat spell of all. If you also have mages with you, Teleport will cost only 1 mana!
Was this done intentionally and why?
It would make much more sense to me if the spell costed 12/9/9/9. (12/9/9/9 is the cheapest other level 3 spells cost.)
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Promising
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posted March 25, 2019 09:13 AM |
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I guess h3 formula is that mana cost is cheaper and advanced and expert level by spell level. And it it common formula.
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Maurice
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posted March 25, 2019 10:11 AM |
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The Teleport spell only gets 1 more benefit: the ability to teleport over castle walls at higher tiers. Not sure if that's at Advanced or Expert, though. But otherwise, there's nothing that advanced School tiers would bring to that spell, but reduction in mana cost.
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phoenix4ever
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posted March 25, 2019 11:27 AM |
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@Maurice
The same could be said about nearly all damage spells, Hypnotize and Animate Dead, but they don't get extremely cheap at advanced and expert level...
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Maurice
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posted March 25, 2019 11:37 AM |
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phoenix4ever said: @Maurice
The same could be said about nearly all damage spells, Hypnotize and Animate Dead, but they don't get extremely cheap at advanced and expert level...
Damage spells increase in damage with expertise and Hypnotize (albeit that it's a worthless spell in just about all cases) has an increased number of hitpoints that it affects. I don't know the specifics of Animate Dead, but I think it raises more hitpoints with increased expertise.
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phoenix4ever
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posted March 25, 2019 12:00 PM |
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Very, very small bonus points though.
Teleport gets the ability to move over moats at advanced level and over walls at expert level, that should be enough. That it ends of being the cheapest combat spell at 3 (or 1!) is just ridicolous.
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Ghost
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posted March 26, 2019 05:19 PM |
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Because of Necropolis and Inferno are using the teleport. If they could to take the Water skill. Explainable legion of skeleton or many demons. But only to pro. In RoE campaign Necropolis gets a teleport from Seer's Hut. And whwre were Water and/or Fire offered in Necropolis campaign.
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phoenix4ever
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posted March 28, 2019 10:57 AM |
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Well Teleport is perhaps mainly a "siege spell" then.
Take the Ballistics skill, it only works in sieges AND when you are the attacker, talk about situational right there. Ballistics is actually my most hated skill, I find it completely useless. (But I also buffed Learning, Eagle Eye, First Aid, Mysticism etc.)
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heymlich
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posted April 28, 2019 02:21 PM |
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Edited by heymlich at 14:24, 28 Apr 2019.
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phoenix4ever said: Ballistics is actually my most hated skill, I find it completely useless.
With Ballistics you move first in sieges. It is situational, but it can be quite important. Also, you can open the gate in round 1.
But I almost never use teleport. Mass slow/haste/shield/bless are just too important. So what if it is cheap? I can only cast 1 spell per turn and mana costs don't really matter later on.
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Kaban0ssi
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posted March 24, 2023 03:20 PM |
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Teleport
heymlich said:
phoenix4ever said: Ballistics is actually my most hated skill, I find it completely useless.
With Ballistics you move first in sieges. It is situational, but it can be quite important. Also, you can open the gate in round 1.
But I almost never use teleport. Mass slow/haste/shield/bless are just too important. So what if it is cheap? I can only cast 1 spell per turn and mana costs don't really matter later on.
Small correction: In a siege, if the defending has hero artillery secondary skill, it will have the control for the towers, and therefore first cast. For example you can cast meteor shower and destroy the ballista before it can even shoot the first shot! After the towers are destroyed then the first cast is at the ballista...assuming it hasn't been destroyed as well.
And about the teleport(spell): I did some testing and found out some weird things about it. If the attacking hero put it's units on the moat, in front of the wall, the teleport can move the unit past the wall and to a random 3 slots that are located in random area inside the wall.
And the attacker had only the basic teleport! No water magic, nothing. It shouldn't be possible for a basic teleport to get troops past walls, right?
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phoenix4ever
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posted March 24, 2023 04:29 PM |
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Yeah I believe there is some weird bug with Teleport, besides the strange mana cost.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted March 24, 2023 04:57 PM |
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I love Teleport, especially on Advanced and Expert Levels. Nifty spell.
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bloodsucker
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posted March 24, 2023 08:58 PM |
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heymlich said: With Ballistics you move first in sieges. It is situational, but it can be quite important.
You can also guard with the catapult, keeping the walls up so AI enemies stay inside.
I've seen it selected more then once by single players that know what their doing.
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Salamandre
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posted March 24, 2023 09:05 PM |
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Exact. In single player hardest maps, ballistic is a must to have, right after wisdom and earth.
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Phoenix4ever
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posted March 24, 2023 10:02 PM |
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But does'nt AI almost always storm out the gate?, making Ballistics pointless anyway.
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Salamandre
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posted March 24, 2023 10:22 PM |
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Phoenix4ever
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posted March 24, 2023 10:27 PM |
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Okay maybe in very specific cases it can be useful. But like 99,9% of the time you would be just as fine without Ballistics. And usually it's only the main hero that attacks towns, so for all other heroes it would be completely useless.
I would prefer Learning, Eagle Eye or First Aid over Ballistics, that's how bad it is imo.
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Ghost
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posted March 25, 2023 06:44 AM |
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Expert Teleport 3 point in the Snow.. Yesterday I played 216x216 in Extreme Dif plus Impossible lvl plus Impossible AI stack experiences.. I research AIs.. Today I play continue 216x216 map..
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Drakon-Deus
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posted March 25, 2023 12:25 PM |
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Phoenix4ever said: Okay maybe in very specific cases it can be useful. But like 99,9% of the time you would be just as fine without Ballistics. And usually it's only the main hero that attacks towns, so for all other heroes it would be completely useless.
I would prefer Learning, Eagle Eye or First Aid over Ballistics, that's how bad it is imo.
I disagree. Ballistics is loads better than Learning, EE or First Aid.
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Phoenix4ever
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posted March 25, 2023 12:37 PM |
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That's fair.
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