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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Logistics, Offense and Armorer specialists
Thread: Logistics, Offense and Armorer specialists This thread is 3 pages long: 1 2 3 · «PREV
CountBezuhoff
CountBezuhoff


Famous Hero
Master of the merchant's guild
posted May 21, 2019 10:46 AM

@phoenix
I don't see your point. The changes you proposed are agreeable only when applied to multiplayer, yet you made it clear on several occasions that you, in fact, were referring to the game as a whole.

"Aren't you tired of using just 10%-15% of the hero pool?"- on what basis are you making this claim? Has there been a study which indicates that such behaviour is common? Or it's based just on your observations? You admittedly play single player exclusively, so how did you come to such a conclusion?

It seems to me that your arguments are solely based on your understanding of the game. And yet you vouch for changes applicable to everyone? Even though they have a different understanding of the game? Even though they enjoy said understanding? Even if it means playing the same map with the same main over and over again?

You can resolve your troubles by simply modding your copy of the game or, better yet, choosing different heroes! No one is forcing you to play with Kyrre or Tazar.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted May 21, 2019 11:08 AM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 11:11, 21 May 2019.

No, no one is forcing me to play Kyrre or Tazar, but they are clearly some of the best heroes and it is my impression people pick them very often as main heroes, am I wrong?
When was the last time you picked an Eagle Eye specialist, First Aid specialist or a hero with Learning as main hero, probably a long time ago. That's because some heroes rock, while others suck, but it seems people are for some reason perfectly fine with this.
So I guess the conclusion is I am strange and you don't want to change the game for the better. That's fine I guess, at least I can do what I want. I think I already found a pretty good solution so...
Actually I did'nt vouch for changes, I just asked for opinions, but I do see a clear imbalance in regards to this.

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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted May 21, 2019 12:30 PM

phoenix4ever said:
When was the last time you picked an Eagle Eye specialist, First Aid specialist or a hero with Learning as main hero, probably a long time ago.


That's because those skills suck in general. Fixing those skills will fix those Heroes.

The Logistics, Armorer and Offense specialties are problems for those specific Heroes in terms of overall power relative to other Heroes.
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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted May 21, 2019 12:32 PM

Maurice said:

The Logistics, Armorer and Offense specialties are problems for those specific Heroes in terms of overall power relative to other Heroes.

Exactly, especially the Logitics specialists.

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CountBezuhoff
CountBezuhoff


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Master of the merchant's guild
posted May 21, 2019 12:50 PM

I don't see how making excellent heroes worse would suddenly make poor ones decent. Neither can I see any reason to implement this "nerf" outside of multiplayer.

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phe
phe


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posted May 21, 2019 12:53 PM

CountBezuhoff said:
I don't see how making excellent heroes worse would suddenly make poor ones decent. Neither can I see any reason to implement this "nerf" outside of multiplayer.
The Count

better to make weaker heroes stronger...

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted May 21, 2019 12:58 PM

phe said:
better to make weaker heroes stronger...

I agree, but then somebody finally go and do something about those terrible skills!
I dont see how Logistics specialists can ever be balanced though, people realise how OP Diplomacy is, but not this...

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phe
phe


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Life and Freedom
posted May 21, 2019 01:14 PM
Edited by phe at 13:27, 21 May 2019.

phoenix4ever said:
phe said:
better to make weaker heroes stronger...

I agree, but then somebody finally go and do something about those terrible skills!
I dont see how Logistics specialists can ever be balanced though, people realise how OP Diplomacy is, but not this...


changing heroes' experience required to get levels at x2 ratio would halve these skills and make some spell specialists relatively stronger...  

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heymlich
heymlich


Known Hero
posted May 21, 2019 01:26 PM

The game will not become more interesting, if all heroes are made equally strong. Rather, it will not really matter any more, whicht hero you pick. How boring.

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phe
phe


Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
posted May 21, 2019 01:30 PM
Edited by phe at 13:32, 21 May 2019.

heymlich said:
The game will not become more interesting, if all heroes are made equally strong. Rather, it will not really matter any more, whicht hero you pick. How boring.

they are different anyway...their skills works better in different situations...we should try to diminish these huge disproportions...
options, options, game options…

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted May 21, 2019 01:32 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 13:33, 21 May 2019.

heymlich said:
The game will not become more interesting, if all heroes are made equally strong. Rather, it will not really matter any more, whicht hero you pick. How boring.

How so?, it's not like Eagle Eye does the same thing as Logistics, so how could they ever be the same? If there were more valuable skills, people could form different strategies instead of ALWAYS going for Wisdom, Offense, Armorer, Logistics, Earth and Air.
If anything is boring it is the current situation!

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rerryr
rerryr


Promising
Famous Hero
Researching Magic
posted May 21, 2019 01:33 PM

phoenix4ever said:

I agree, but then somebody finally go and do something about those terrible skills!


They did and it already happened over 10 years ago in the form of WoG. Weak skills were buffed and none of the OP stuff was touched...
Sorry if I have to repeat it again ^^

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phe
phe


Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
posted May 21, 2019 01:37 PM

you can check also Lafe Mods for VCMI...if all submods don't work choose only Heroes and Skills...

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Otuken
Otuken


Known Hero
posted May 23, 2019 07:16 PM

Voted other.

No, don't ban them but also never allow the other towns to recruit these heroes because most of them do exist as compensation of the weaknesses of their towns.

What would be point playing Fortress without Tazar or playing Dungeon without Gunnar?

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