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The_Polyglot
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posted August 18, 2019 09:37 AM
Edited by The_Polyglot at 11:40, 18 Aug 2019.

I'm building a PC!

So.my refurb laptop is uncomfortable, but going for a new one would have me making compromise after compromise. So I decided to use the money to build my own pc! Various helpful people have helped me pick parts, got 2 different lists in fact. Going with the cheaper one. Budget is about 1700 usd max, but less is more.
So far this is the list:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YVvkkd

Sucks that I can't paste here on phone.

Still need a display, speakers, and a keyboard. Might be able to scavenge the old speakers from the existing so-called pc...
Oh, and the building part will be a nightmare.
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Doomforge
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posted August 18, 2019 10:47 AM

Page not found bro.

The assembly part is very easy, doesn't take more than half an hour by the way.
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posted August 18, 2019 11:00 AM

Yea, page not found. You should double, triple check for compatibility between pieces, that's the first step. It's not hard to put them together, but you might encounter some slight difficulties if it's your first build. Should all go smoothly in the end though, all you need is patience.
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posted August 18, 2019 11:05 AM

What are you going to do with the PC? Do you just play on it or do you need computing power for work? What kind of games/programs you need?

After that start from your monitor, it's easily the most expensive and important part. Get one that has good ergonomics with your desk. If you want to watch movies from a sofa, get an IPS panel with good viewing angles. If you do image/video get a colour accurate IPS. If you play CS/SC or speedrun get a very low lag panel. Etc.

Then when you know what you need to do with it and with what monitor you can size your hardware for that.
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The_Polyglot
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posted August 18, 2019 11:40 AM
Edited by The_Polyglot at 11:50, 18 Aug 2019.

Snow! Fixing soon
Should be ok now. Planning on a bit of everything, will be my main workstation. Was thinking a 14 inch display, very comfortable. Are there keyboards that mimic laptop keyboards?
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posted August 18, 2019 12:20 PM
Edited by Galaad at 12:34, 18 Aug 2019.

Last I checked AMD > Intel.

I'd suggest something more like:

CPU:  AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1900X (8, TR4, 3.80GHz)
Motherboard: AsRock X399 Taichi (TR4, AMD X399, ATX) or ASRock X399 Phantom Gaming 6

I think this will enter your budget, and should last you longer.
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posted August 18, 2019 01:50 PM

Threadrippers are expensive products meant for Servers, not gaming/general purpose.

Buy a Ryzen 3600 instead. It's new, and has an excellent price/performance rating for just 200$.
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posted August 18, 2019 02:02 PM

Intel is still better per core than AMD. If you're planning to game more than multitask/stream/render, get Intel for certain. Lots of spreadsheets out there you can check to confirm. Also, when I made my own rig, the biggest regret I had was not fitting an i7 in the budget for the 8 core, couldn't be helped. Still works well with i5 even for streaming.

You'll never need 32GB of RAM, by the way. Just get one with 16, leave your other slots open.
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posted August 18, 2019 02:39 PM

Stevie said:
Intel is still better per core than AMD. If you're planning to game more than multitask/stream/render, get Intel for certain.


Intel doesn't have a competitor for Ryzen 3600 (200$) in that price bracket. The 9600k is significantly (+50%...) more expensive. The 9400f is noticeably weaker. I'd go with 3600, it's the best "bang for the buck" product of 2019.

An alternative would be Ryzen 2600 or 2600x. It's a good 15-20% less powerful in games than Ryzen 3600, but can be (until the old stock lasts) bought for silly money, barely above 100$ in the US, which makes it the perf/price champion. However, it may not be enough to maintain good FPS in modern games, while 3600 is just right.
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Galaad
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posted August 18, 2019 02:44 PM
Edited by Galaad at 14:45, 18 Aug 2019.

Doomforge said:
Threadrippers are expensive products meant for Servers, not gaming/general purpose.

Buy a Ryzen 3600 instead. It's new, and has an excellent price/performance rating for just 200$.


What are you talking about? https://www.digitec.ch/fr/s1/product/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1900x-8-tr4-380ghz-processeurs-6513941

Stevie said:
Intel is still better per core than AMD.


I don't know when I see stuff like this:

Intel® Core™ i5-7640X X: 273 chf. 4 coeurs, 4 threads, 6 mb cache, dual channel, 16 PCIe Lanes
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1900x: 313 chf. 8 coeurs, 16 threads, 20mb cache, quad channel,  60 PCIe Lanes


I'd say going for Intel is criminal but that's just my opinion.
I was looking for some stuff a few months ago I doubt things has changed much since then.
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Doomforge
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posted August 18, 2019 03:23 PM

Galaad said:
What are you talking about?


Why would anyone want a 1st gen TR when you can get this:

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler/dp/B07B41WS48

for around ~50% of the price?


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posted August 18, 2019 03:33 PM

Yea, how about we compare the i5 9600k which is the processor he actually intends to buy with ryzen 1900x which you recommend. And behold, AMD gets absolutely destroyed. You can compare any i5 9600 series with any Ryzen TR from any series and AMD gets blown out of the water. It's a fact that Intel is better per core than AMD, hence why it's preferred for gaming, this is no information out of anyone's ass.

Your welcome. Poly, better stick with your decision.
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Galaad
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posted August 18, 2019 03:34 PM
Edited by Galaad at 15:35, 18 Aug 2019.

Doomforge said:
Galaad said:
What are you talking about?


Why would anyone want a 1st gen TR when you can get this:

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler/dp/B07B41WS48

for around ~50% of the price?




Lol, few months do matter

Yeah, and that's also around half the price of what Poly has in his current config, and better.
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Doomforge
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posted August 18, 2019 03:44 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 15:45, 18 Aug 2019.

Stevie, I wouldn't bother with generic benchmarks.


9600k is a better CPU for gaming without a doubt, especially when overclocked, but it is +50% more expensive than Ryzen 3600 and it's up to 15% faster in games. So it's not worth the money if you ask me. Maybe the nextgen Intel will be better.

For performance/price, ryzen 2600 defeats everything. There's no contest, you can get it for 120$ sometimes.

For "sweet spot", Ryzen 3600 is the current champion.

if you want the best gaming chip, that would be the 9700k or 9900k. You need to pay a hefty price for it, though.

Here's something I'd recommend watching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F92byoMgptU

the 9600k displays stutter problems in some games. The Ryzen 3600, despite being less powerful, does not.


Since Poly is on a fairly tight budget, I recommend the Ryzen 2600. Put that spared 100$ into a better GPU or a better monitor.
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Stevie
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posted August 18, 2019 03:45 PM
Edited by Stevie at 16:01, 18 Aug 2019.

Galaad said:
and better.


LOL

Doomforge said:
Stevie, I wouldn't bother with generic benchmarks.


Sure, I won't bother with the rest of your argument either. As long as you just sweep it away for no good reason, so will I. Ryzen 5 2600 has over 100k user benchmarks showing it's almost net inferior to i5 9600 and you just push that under the rug. Well played sir, I'll do the same in return.

Oh, by the way, factor in power consumption over time and you'll see you'll pay more in the long run for AMD than for Intel.

Doomforge said:
Since Poly is on a fairly tight budget, I recommend the Ryzen 2600. Put that spared 100$ into a better GPU or a better monitor.


You can add a crossfire if you ever need a GPU upgrade, you can't do that for your processor. Investing money into CPU takes priority over GPU, just smarter that way. And you have to get the monitor right from the get-go and even if you ever need another one, you can still connect two and be grand.
Priorities, lol.
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posted August 18, 2019 04:05 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 16:15, 18 Aug 2019.

Crossfire/SLI is not supported by AMD/Nvidia anymore for about a year or two. Very bad idea. Crossfire was never a good idea in the first place: the cards do not scale 1:1 (ie. you don't get +100% performance from adding another GPU, you get 30-60% depending on the game). Worse, it creates microstutter.

Stevie said:
Investing money into CPU takes priority over GPU, just smarter that way


This is a TERRIBLE advice. GPU always takes priority for a gaming system.




I am not ignoring your point, I'm pointing you to a proper, well devised benchmarks made with explained methodology over some arbitrary numbers on a comparison site. Gamersnexus provides excellent performance comparison.

Here's the best PC I can put up for 1600$, you may need to add a keyboard and mice for convenience. I've picked an expensive monitor but it's 27 inch, IPS and 144hz, coming from a manufacturer that has less problems with quality control compared to Acer or Asus.



You may want to replace the CPU for a Ryzen 3600 but that will probably push you over the targeted budget once you add a keyboard and mouse. Unless they are total crap for 10$.

For 1440p, your GPU will be your bottleneck point anyway, so no reason to pay for a powerful CPU.
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posted August 18, 2019 04:34 PM
Edited by Stevie at 16:36, 18 Aug 2019.

Doomforge said:
Crossfire/SLI is not supported by AMD/Nvidia anymore for about a year or two. Very bad idea. Crossfire was never a good idea in the first place: the cards do not scale 1:1 (ie. you don't get +100% performance from adding another GPU, you get 30-60% depending on the game). Worse, it creates microstutter.

Stevie said:
Investing money into CPU takes priority over GPU, just smarter that way


This is a TERRIBLE advice. GPU always takes priority for a gaming system.


Alright, since you really insist on going down the rabbit hole. Nvidia not supporting SLI for a year or two sounded so off I had to check for myself (since I use Nvidia). First article that appears that says anything relevant to that reports:

Quote:
Note: 2-way SLI is the most popular and active SLI configuration used today because Nvidia has reportedly dropped most of the support for 3-way and 4-way SLI. This is because of the complexity involved in driver development. Modern graphics cards such as GTX 1070, GTX 1080 and higher will only support 2-way SLI.


So basically, no way they dropped SLI entirely, just 3 and 4-way at worst. Then proceeds to list the suite of GPUs supporting SLI, including all the latest cards. 2-way SLI still going strong, and I believe they have newer technologies in the making. In light of that, having the option to upgrade to at the very least a 2-way SLI with no issue, then CPU definitely takes priority in the long run, since you can't complement a CPU with another CPU, but can do so with the GPU. But that's on that level of comparison, in truth, they are both extremely important.



I'll stop here with the argument since it tends to miss the purpose of this thread. We just have to help Poly with information and points of view, I definitely do not want to go personal.
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posted August 18, 2019 04:40 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 17:00, 18 Aug 2019.

You can go personal if you wish , however, when :



1. you suggest SLI (with pathetic scaling and microstutter) and try to nitpick that technically they dropped only the 3-4 GPU chain and conveniently ignore tons of other problems with SLI/crossfire (I only pointed out the two most glarfing flaws, mind you) and

2. you recommend processors based on unexplained benchmarks, without 1% or 0,1% LOW FPS displayed, without the knowledge what other parts were used, about overclock used, kind of RAM used (if you really want to know - faster RAM makes a big difference for Ryzen, not so much for intel due how infinity fabric works)

3. you actually think CPU is worth the money over a GPU in a gaming build

it makes me certain you know very little about building PCs.


So go ahead, go personal. You will make a fool out of yourself.

Going for CPU over GPU, going for SLI and basing opinions on poorly described collection of scores (not even a proper benchmark) will not help Poly. On the contrary.

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The_Polyglot
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posted August 18, 2019 05:21 PM

I indeed know nothing about building a pc or heck pcs in general. All of you caring so much warms my heart Can we please tone down the hostility please? Not saying the innards are locked in, but they're compatible with each other and offer probably much better performance than what I'm after anyway while saving me money. The budget is more like an absolute limit than a desired minimum.

The biggest questions are the speakers display and keyboard anyway. I really want a keyboard that's basically a laptop's, I think it was called a chiclet? And then I only need a 14 inch display anyway. Do you guys know any good ones? Nooo idea what I'd look for in a speaker, but I need a headphone jack
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posted August 18, 2019 05:31 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 17:35, 18 Aug 2019.

Matey are you sure about the 14 inch screen? Is there a particular reason for it?

Chiclet keyboards are fairly popular and inexpensive, however, keep in mind they are usually impossible to clean without breaking the fragile scissor mechanism when removing the key. So they quickly become a mess with breadcrumbs and hair inside It's a bit eww. Dell sells some decent chiclets. You can try something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-KM117-Wireless-Keyboard-Mouse/dp/B01LOORNLY/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Dell+KM117&qid=1566142494&s=electronics&sr=1-1

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Marketing-KM717-Wireless-Keyboard/dp/B01M04JXS3

if you insist on keeping the 14incher, you can remove the LG monitor from my suggestions, which will bring down the setup to 1000$. I have a very hard time picturing gaming on a 14incher, though is it an old-generation LCD? those have awful parameters in general, mostly they have very poor response times and (if using TN panels) washed out colors. Unless I misunderstood you and you're looking for a new 14 inch screen. In such case it will be hard as those are heavily unpopular. I'm not sure if there are any for sale nowadays. Going below 21 inches is hard already!

pretty much all motherboards nowadays have integrated soundcards, so yes they come with a minijack (or do you need a "regular" jack? you can still use an adapter ). Many cases have frontal minijacks as well, you just have to connect the audiopanel cable to the motherboard.
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