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posted February 11, 2021 09:20 AM

Horimiya is actually pretty damn solid! And now I'm just left wanting. Man, I knew it! Shouldn't have started on-going seasons. Always gets to this phase.
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posted February 11, 2021 10:19 AM

CountBezuhoff said:
It wasn't just the last two, all the episodes of the second cour so far have been this long.

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You're right! Don't know why I didn't notice or just forgot to check. Never too much of the goodness

@Stevie
That's why you watch couple of series at a time. This season is pretty well spread out when it comes to interesting series.

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What if Elvin was female?
posted February 11, 2021 12:41 PM

Everyone who thinks that anything this season is better than spidey is wrong.

The art is absolute garbage tier CGI crap and they added way too much of the normie drama(that no one cares about, normies go explode) but it's still a solid gold of a story.

Go read the comics and the novels, they're both great.

The VA is perfect for her. That positive attitude to get you through everyday life that everyone needs(when being forced to eat horrible tasting poisonous things for a living.)
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posted February 11, 2021 01:07 PM
Edited by blob2 at 13:12, 11 Feb 2021.

JoonasTo said:
Everyone who thinks that anything this season is better than spidey is wrong.


How dare you! Re: Zero not only makes a whole season complete it actually completes the whole year in which it is aired in (it was probably one of the few saving graces of 2020)...

JoonasTo said:
The VA is perfect for her. That positive attitude to get you through everyday life that everyone needs(when being forced to eat horrible tasting poisonous things for a living.)


...but that doesn't change the fact that it's one of my fav series this season also. I love "turned into monster" isekai flicks (hence Slime Datta Hen is high on my list) and this one has a pretty fresh look on the "from zero to hero" part, because usually this part is fast-forwarded - the protag eats some OP sh*t and suddenly becomes king of the hill. In this case we have a survival-horror actually. I also like her as a character, but damn if I had such a talkative girlfriend like her I would probably bought earplugs Also the pacing is off, the "human empire" part, while I know it's essential to the whole story, is a festival of mediocracy aside from the cute little (not so little anymore ) human-turned-earth dragon.  

That said there is absolutely no chance it will beat:
Re: Zero - which is a class in its own when it comes to world, story and character building
Mushoku Tensei - which is well directed, beautifully animated and has perfect waifus
Slime 2 - which is simply too badass and optimistic to be unlikable
AoT - cus it gets snow done
Redo of Healer - which is a big fu to all SJW's

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posted February 11, 2021 03:29 PM

Yeah, the whole human thing isn't there in the manga. It's a lot better paced without that and it's completely unnecessary at this point too. The other reincarnators only become relevant in the last ~30ish chapters of the web-novel(and it's over a 100.) I can see them putting them in because they felt the anime needed more speech in it. The main character can't talk. At all. After all, she's a spider. It just doesn't come off that well in the anime because the only way to represent her inner monologue is with a voice over like they do. The novel/manga do excellent without any of that sidekick action. I would have liked the anime to stay that way.

On the other hand, the way they represent the stats, skills and female announcer are a lot better in the anime over the manga. There they take up important panel space as in the anime they can just be fast floaters/female announcer voice overs, as they should. So it's a give and take there.


Redo of Healer is not only the biggest pile of garbage produced in recent history, it's also downright offensive. It's about systematically raping and abusing people. I know this is a theme in many edgelord rape fantasies but this one would even make chinese concentration camp guards feel ashamed of the creator.

Mushoku Tense is all good(like actually good) until deus ex machina and time travel crap. It's actually quite good past the first event of pointless retardom but is unrecoverable after the time travel. That was pretty late in the story though(I think like second to last novel, if I recall correctly) so I fully expect at least first season to be decent.

Same goes for Slime life. The first season was okay but expect to get your intelligence shat on by the anime in the second season. There's time travel, mind control and deus ex machina galore incoming a plenty. It's the basic problem of tensei writers who run out of ideas and are forced to jam in all kinds of retarded into their webnovels to get clicks back up. Ruins many good novels, like these two.

I always found Re:Zero totally meh. Haven't watched past the first season as the characters weren't relatable or realistic. That's fine in a comedy(like KonoSuba) not so in what tries to be a drama. It's supposed to be somekind of tragicomedy I know but it just fails.
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posted February 11, 2021 04:00 PM
Edited by blob2 at 16:07, 11 Feb 2021.

JoonasTo said:
Redo of Healer is not only the biggest pile of garbage produced in recent history, it's also downright offensive. It's about systematically raping and abusing people. I know this is a theme in many edgelord rape fantasies but this one would even make chinese concentration camp guards feel ashamed of the creator.


Well, that's the best part of it. The strongest point of anime is it's creative freedom. That's what was always it's most appealing part. It shocks, it intrigues, it wtf's? a viewer. While Western animators ponder on what they can or can't show because of "sensitivity", anime just rams through any taboos. The creator won't be ashamed in a country where you can buy so called doujinshi in a normal manga shop.

JoonasTo said:
It's the basic problem of tensei writers who run out of ideas and are forced to jam in all kinds of retarded into their webnovels to get clicks back up. Ruins many good novels, like these two.


Well, that's true but... why are you actually bringing up light novels here? We didn't reach later chapters of those novels in anime, so what's the point of criticizing them before they're even adapted?

JoonasTo said:
I always found Re:Zero totally meh. Haven't watched past the first season as the characters weren't relatable or realistic. That's fine in a comedy(like KonoSuba) not so in what tries to be a drama. It's supposed to be somekind of tragicomedy I know but it just fails.


I probably depends on a person. I find Subaru very relatable. In fact some of his experiences are so down-to-earth and relatable I find it shocking how well the author knows about them. Even if he is annoying his motivations and self-scorn is so well presented and realistic that I find him one of the best written characters in anime history. In fact, it also has one of the best cast of supporting characters as far as character-building goes. Even such a character like Otto was weaved into the story organically and he now takes a big part in it.

I don't believe Re Zero was ever meant as comedic. It has comic relief moments (we're talking anime it's not that strange, really, even in dark stories like Higurashi etc) to build some sympathy for characters, but otherwise it's pretty dark stuff...

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posted February 11, 2021 04:59 PM

such a shame, Joonas succumbed to weakness.

And yeah, Redo of Healer is fairly tame in comparison to what one find in shops where us gaijins are not welcome. It's an edgelord revenge story yeah, downright hilarious at times, but it's ok.
Also, in the light novel of it, Keyaru used both rods on the princess.
I absolutely love how the author of it is clearly shown to not understand the word "boundaries", and the screeching of the western weaklings, who cried at GoT season 3 finale, is the delicious cherry on top.
Redo is meant to be outrageous and hard to watch, that's the point of it. It's like the author watched GoT, but only the scenes with tiddy and murder and decided to mix it with tired JRPG cliches that are ripe in writing fantasy ln/mangas.

Like basically nearly every fantasy manga/anime/ln is the same in premise - get dork, get waifus, form party, objective - beat the demon lord. only Re:Zero differs a little, as there's nothing stating "we must defeat the witch", it's now just elective monarchy bs for the most part (haven't seen S2 yet) with defeating monsters and retards on the side.
In this aspect, jap creators need some new ideas.
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posted February 11, 2021 05:58 PM
Edited by blob2 at 18:01, 11 Feb 2021.

Kipshasz said:
it's now just elective monarchy bs for the most part (haven't seen S2 yet) with defeating monsters and retards on the side.
In this aspect, jap creators need some new ideas.


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It's not that clear actually. There's no real "main antagonist" so far, it's more of a gathering of OP weirdos with different agendas and motives. The Witch Cult is actually a pretty well written "antagonist" - some of them turn evil/madness, some of them seemingly change sides, some are there to play around with people and some have some hidden agendas etc. Some are pure evil, some seem evil but turn not so obvious.

From Subaru's point of view many characters he meets are originally his enemies (Rem killed him a few times, Julius beats him, queen candidates used him, Garf killed him, etc).

Imo, aside from a few re-used tropes, Re: Zero is one of the most original and multi-faceted animus I know. Even its structure is unique - basically each arc is a redo/groundhog day of a specific point in the story which let's the viewer piece up new bits of information (or best part of it: look at some things from different perspective), coupled with some nice individual character stories (Ram/Rem, Puck, Beatrice, Emilia, Otto, Wilhelm, Garf, you name it). It's like a tapestry you keep on uncovering.

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posted February 11, 2021 06:40 PM

Yawn. C'mon higurashi, speed up the pace.
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posted February 11, 2021 07:48 PM
Edited by JoonasTo at 19:48, 11 Feb 2021.

Log Horizon gets the number one award for not getting anything done. Gawd that has been pointlessly slow.

Non Non Biyori has the same great scene art as before but the entertainment value hasn't been quite up to the first two seasons' level yet. Renchon still lives in the country after all.

Subaru is a pathetic wimp with enough braincells to just barely play catch inside his head sure, but while he is pretty hateable as a character. At least he has (some) character. Badly presented and takes illogical leaps sometimes but at least he's got one. Rem is literally bipolar. Emilia is a Mary Sue. Basically all sidecharacters are about as remarkable as white christmas on antartica. There are cliches and there is just lack of interest in writing a proper psyche for a character. In a drama series the first one is a fault and the second is inexcusable. The premise behind the series is nothing new but it could have gone down as a really good psychological thriller with the main character breaking down bit by bit. We see some effort in going that direction but in the end it all gets glossed over in order to show more "cool" fight scenes. They wrote it in the wrong genre. Ditch that shounen crap and remake it as a proper drama.


Healer Redo isn't meant to be outrageous, or hard to watch. It's meant to be a power fantasy for kids who can't get laid even if they paid for it and hate women because of it. There are tons and tons of these around. It's not a real revenge story, it's a dominatrix harem rape fantasy. And not even a good one.

The actual revenge stories are just not yet really palatable for your mainstream(really, these kids are mainstream consumers now, when did that happen?) audience. Following their viewcounts on manga/novels, we can expect to start seeing them eventually. You know, the old school type where you feed someone's wife and kids to them for dinner. They're a lot better than this stuff.

Although a lot of them suffer from being too old but then again, mushoku tensei is also really old, so who knows. They might see airtime yet. There are some never ones around with the isekai style but really all the best ones are older. The topic is as old as mankind itself.


@BLOB: It's noteworthy to speak of what is there in the novels because in the current era it's highly unusual to change what has already been written. There is always a small sliver of hope that the writers/directors of the shows have some backbone and straight throw that idiocy out but they are often there to make have a 180 turn so it's very, very unlikely. You are right in saying that it doesn't detract from the stuff that happens before such events but if you keep watching until it does, it will just leave a bad taste from the whole series.


@Kip: Yeah, the main formula for writing a webnovel for teen/neets is very simple. Even more so for the isekai/tensei crowd. There are some better executions and ideas in some but the writing is so easy, they banned isekai/tensei novels from competitions in Japan. There's so much garbage in the genre it's easier to just rank it out completely than try to weed out the trash. Elvin put it best. We're all wading in a sea of snowty isekai for now.
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posted February 11, 2021 08:24 PM

Adding Mushoku Tensei to the list. So far I'm captivated.
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posted February 11, 2021 08:36 PM
Edited by Kipshasz at 20:40, 11 Feb 2021.

I think this sums the isekai LN scene. yeah, there's plenty of crap. Konosuba is king though. only one I rewatched like... 3 times now.

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Try reading the title in one breath
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posted February 11, 2021 09:02 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 21:03, 11 Feb 2021.

I tried reading the Konosuba light novel once since the animations didn't cover past volume 5 or smt yet. I eventually forgot about it as I didn't have enough time to dedicate to that.

Thinking about it, I haven't watched an anime for like 2 months heh. I'm planning to watch Evangelion though as I haven't done that yet, so perhaps a short guide (and tips?) on the order to watch it would be welcome.
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posted February 11, 2021 09:08 PM
Edited by CountBezuhoff at 08:55, 12 Feb 2021.

I've been wasting my time on whatever trashy isekai manga and manhwa I've managed to dig up from mangadex. Might recommend a few good ones once I am done spamming.

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posted February 12, 2021 08:43 AM
Edited by blob2 at 09:21, 12 Feb 2021.

JoonasTo said:
The premise behind the series is nothing new but it could have gone down as a really good psychological thriller with the main character breaking down bit by bit. We see some effort in going that direction but in the end it all gets glossed over in order to show more "cool" fight scenes. They wrote it in the wrong genre. Ditch that shounen crap and remake it as a proper drama.


Mmm you want a series to be something it is not. It's a shounen to some extent yes, but a great one. There's literally nothing like it. Fine, I understand you don't like Re: Zero, I get it

JoonasTo said:
Healer Redo isn't meant to be outrageous, or hard to watch. It's meant to be a power fantasy for kids who can't get laid even if they paid for it and hate women because of it. There are tons and tons of these around. It's not a real revenge story, it's a dominatrix harem rape fantasy. And not even a good one.


You can call it s*it sure, but I find this anime kinda like "in your face" especially due to the times we live in. I love it when it angers the masses.

"It's meant to be a power fantasy for kids adult men who can't get laid even if they paid for it and hate women because of it." fixed it for you cus it's like, half of the male Japanese population:https://www.nippon.com/en/features/c05601/ You might wonder what marriage has to do with the concept of hateful males/females but a single that is "denied" the attention of the other "half" for too long becomes spiteful. It turns to "it's their fault I can get laid" attitude very fast.

JoonasTo said:
The actual revenge stories are just not yet really palatable for your mainstream(really, these kids are mainstream consumers now, when did that happen?) audience. Following their viewcounts on manga/novels, we can expect to start seeing them eventually. You know, the old school type where you feed someone's wife and kids to them for dinner. They're a lot better than this stuff.


Maybe the idea behind it is so they can vent (or become even more spiteful, either way counts )? I know from first hand (have someone who lived there) that Japanese society is very stressed, the whole hikkomori phenomenon is a sign of that. Many of their problems start in school, followed by the pressure of adult life... you can compare their schools to modern western schools which are sh*tholes, but times ten. Revenge stories are perfect material for them, they can have this fantasy where they pay back their "oppressors", be it other students, family or society.

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@BLOB: It's noteworthy to speak of what is there in the novels because in the current era it's highly unusual to change what has already been written.


I think more and more anime adaptations are getting consulted with the originals authors. Sometimes they decide to change some things. If this is a good thing or bad time will tell.

JoonasTo said:
Elvin put it best. We're all wading in a sea of snowty isekai for now.


It will eventually fade away. Like Magical Girls genre

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posted February 12, 2021 02:30 PM
Edited by Elvin at 14:34, 12 Feb 2021.

JoonasTo said:
Yeah, the whole human thing isn't there in the manga. [...] I can see them putting them in because they felt the anime needed more speech in it. The main character can't talk. At all. After all, she's a spider. It just doesn't come off that well in the anime because the only way to represent her inner monologue is with a voice over like they do.

When I started I didn't even know. After a few episodes I kinda wish they were left out, I'm a lot more interested in the spider's development. I like what they did with her monologue, I both enjoy her infectious excitement and get annoyed by the constant hyper chattering It is very fitting for what they're aiming for.

JoonasTo said:
Redo of Healer is not only the biggest pile of garbage produced in recent history, it's also downright offensive.

At first I thought it might get good but.. nope. The only good thing about it are the viewer comments xD

blob2 said:
The strongest point of anime is it's creative freedom. That's what was always it's most appealing part. It shocks, it intrigues, it wtf's? a viewer. While Western animators ponder on what they can or can't show because of "sensitivity", anime just rams through any taboos.

Yes but it's mostly employed for fanservice than to tell its story. I would be game for a series that focuses on revenge, minus the op edgelord mc that can do everything.

JoonasTo said:
The premise behind the series is nothing new but it could have gone down as a really good psychological thriller with the main character breaking down bit by bit. We see some effort in going that direction but in the end it all gets glossed over in order to show more "cool" fight scenes. They wrote it in the wrong genre. Ditch that shounen crap and remake it as a proper drama.

Want.

JoonasTo said:
There are some better executions and ideas in some but the writing is so easy, they banned isekai/tensei novels from competitions in Japan. There's so much garbage in the genre it's easier to just rank it out completely than try to weed out the trash.

Hahahaha

blob2 said:

It will eventually fade away. Like Magical Girls genre

Lul. Hard to imagine they will die out anytime soon. I hate tired tropes but there is a lot of potential for a good story.
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posted February 14, 2021 03:19 PM

Well, that Redo Healer sure is controversial. Must be the reason for its high number of followers, just so everyone can throw their 2 cents. I'm not going to be one of them though, probably got the gist of it and it's definitely not what I'm looking for in anime. I would much rather watch something like Itai no wa Iya nano de Bougyoryoku ni Kyokufuri snowai to Omoimasu Again With The Long Ass Names. I quite enjoyed it. I'd surprised to see it getting a second season though...
[...]
And then I go and check MAL and it does seem to be getting a second season. Well, sure! I'll give it a shot. I'm pretty okay with the premise, but it doesn't seem to have a bigger picture behind, that's why I doubted it. But I'm quite happy to be wrong. Anyway, the anime gets a 8/10 from me. It doesn't have a fantastic story or amazing fights, but it managed to hit that happy-go-lucky spot with a MMO world. The first episodes were honestly the best and I thought it had some really good potential, but they kinda sidetracked by the end.
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posted February 14, 2021 07:54 PM

Rwby is back, some nice moments in last 2 eps.
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posted February 15, 2021 10:16 AM
Edited by Lith-Maethor at 10:19, 15 Feb 2021.

Sounds familiar...

CountBezuhoff said:
I've been wasting my time on whatever trashy isekai manga and manhwa I've managed to dig up from mangadex. Might recommend a few good ones once I am done spamming.

The Count


Yup, same here... what little time I have, anyway.

Edit: Regarding Redo of Healer... I do follow it but it is, in fact, crap. My main issue with it is not all the revenge porn (it gets old fast) but how nonsensical the MC's abilities are.

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posted February 15, 2021 11:20 AM
Edited by blob2 at 11:20, 15 Feb 2021.

Who said it was good storywise And for an anime that's so focused on showing nudity, the animation does dip down a lot. It would suggest they didn't back it up seriously, it's more of "let's take this idea for a controversial anime project and see how far it will take us".

That said I treat this anime as a curiosity.

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