NimoStar said:

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I already did something like that since the beginning. I added a timed event in each monster that converts from neutral into a player. Sadly, the event doesn't actually trigger.

This is a problem in the base game.

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iliveinabox05 said:

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This is easily done with the normal game's editor. Here's a hint: You need one map timed event with a single script, and one triggerable event on each random monster object with a single script.

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NimoStar said:

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That is not very helpful. I never play riddles with people when telling about things I have discovered. There is a reason the object "Sphinx" never made it into the final game.

But I will find out anyways.

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iliveinabox05 said:

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You need one map timed event with a single script, and one triggerable event on each random monster object with a single script.

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iliveinabox05 said:

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Just kidding! This is easily done with the normal game's editor. Here's a hint: You need one map timed event with a single script, and one triggerable event on each random monster object with a single script.

Come on buddy, with the amount of H4 experience you have I expect you to be able to solve stuff like this in seconds!

Now you can finish up your new duel map

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iliveinabox05 said:

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NimoStar said:

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Speaking of that, will/have you added a mechanism to allow random monsters of level X come with an owner? Because by default, they can only be neutral

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Currently in progress with the advanced editor:





Just kidding! This is easily done with the normal game's editor. Here's a hint: You need one map timed event with a single script, and one triggerable event on each random monster object with a single script.

Come on buddy, with the amount of H4 experience you have I expect you to be able to solve stuff like this in seconds!

Now you can finish up your new duel map

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iliveinabox05 said:

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NimoStar said:

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That is not very helpful. I never play riddles with people when telling about things I have discovered. There is a reason the object "Sphinx" never made it into the final game.

But I will find out anyways.

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It's not riddle, buddy! I literally told you how to do it

The only thing I omitted were names for the timed and triggerable events, which are for you to choose. It's really not even a hint and just plain tells you what to do, since you clearly know to use the change owner script.

One more time:

iliveinabox05 said:

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You need one map timed event with a single script, and one triggerable event on each random monster object with a single script.

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Edit. I also realized - and later verified - there is a better way to do this than the map timed event + army triggerable event combo: Army continuous events. Army continuous events do work, while army timed events do not.

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karmakeld said:

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I did a test of these long ago, and recall timed events might not run on neutral armies. Anyway its a quick job testing which run and which doesnt.
Also tested various ways of changing owner, can upload it if you need it, Nimo..

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karmakeld said:

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I did a test of these long ago, and recall timed events might not run on neutral armies. Anyway its a quick job testing which run and which doesnt.
Also tested various ways of changing owner, can upload it if you need it, Nimo..

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relancer said:

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I think this can be too much work (an example I needed is for 400 objects, maybe less if remove player's armies but anyway can be a lot over 300)

Since how the random monster is constructed (below), there is no place for owner, if try to put forcely, map will crash

Except fully or partially conditionally replacing for  creature object. (like I did in example xl map, making 7-slot generic armies and giving enemy heroes 3 times more army) but still I dont have proper filters.

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relancer said:

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And probably some script translator from normal program language to H4Script lang, but it seems too hard to do.

I.e it would be not bad if we can write some script converter like:

a = random (3)
if a==0: give_creature(peasant, amount)
else if a == 1: give_creature(squire, amount)
elise if a == 2: give_creature(archer, amount)

instead of manual box filling for defining every random variable, and further every filling the conditional and else boxes rapidly

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relancer said:

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I yet said one moment, random army IS NOT an army object, it cannot have an owner itself by it's essense

Derrick might need also some replacer, that he showed is ok for 2 armies, but that's only 2! You might have issues for 10-20-30 neutral armies to set owners?

But I might miss the detail, might be for that duel map it can be ok with joining 2-4 objects were owner is changed by a script for every duel player.

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relancer said:

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Another question, random_monster can have calendar event `change_owner`. if you follow this way why just not set it for every army you need????

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iliveinabox05 said:

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The advanced editor can already do what you want to do:
int rand = Math.random(); // scaled from 0 to 73
H4CreatureType ct = H4CreatureType.fromInt(rand);
H4Creature creature = new H4Creature();
creature.setId(ct.VALUE);
creature.setAmount(amount);
army.getTroops().addCreature(creature);

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relancer said:

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I meant other thing.. for example some linguistic translator
that can convert for example <if..else..> logic to the series of {event_heading{=131072}...seq{num_commands}..op1..op2} that can be written as script outside the editor. So it can complete like what I wanted to do in the begining (i dont need it more but just an example. It was a set of variables with recursive trigger for giving growth*randval amount of creatures[other random from example peasant, squire, archer]) with native h4script lang. But I was needed for fill 2000 (maybe more even 5000 boxes for only 1-2 heroes). But it seems very hard to do.

But honestly I dont have a clear idea (only have vague semi-ideas) where to use such linguistic translator for now.

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iliveinabox05 said:

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Don't need to translate something that can already be done, haha

What you're talking about is just re-writing more of the h4c specification in python. Ultimately you would be better off if you just spent the time writing everything from my libraries that has to do with h4c files in a new python library. Otherwise you're going to continue to be in the same boat that you currently are where everything you want to do is difficult to impossible.

Those few lines of code I wrote are all that would need to be done for the example you wrote. And I am creating a lot of events with complex scripting outside of the game's editor (using the advanced editor), for duel maps.

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relancer said:

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if to try to explain detally

there is a user and user wants to write script that gives 6 slots to selected army

instead of filling boxes he opens something in editor/whereever else and write javascript style for example:


rand_race = random(0, 5)
rand_amount = random (1, 100);
if (random_race == 0){  // life for example
   rand_unit1_type = random(0,2);
   if (rand_unit1_type == 0) {give_creature(peasant_id, 36 * rand_amount}
   else if (rand_unit1_type==1){give_creature(squire_id, 21* rand_amount)}
   else if (rand_unit1_type==2){give_creature(archer_id, 16*rand_amount)}
   // if for level2 creature
  //if for level3 creature
  // if for level4 creature
  //something for other slots
}
else if (random_race==1){
   // death for example
}

And this to be converted to
{'seq'.length}seq{num_commands}Variable{'rand_race'.length rand_race}rand{low_bound high_bound}...if...give_creature... and so on

So finally you need to write linear javascript like code instead of box filling and this to be converted to h4script


Like translator from javascript to h4script so someone can easily write in normal scripting language that will be translated to h4script. (H4 random lower_bound seems begins from 1 to x but this easily adjustable)

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iliveinabox05 said:

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The only thing that would take a little thought for the best way to do is for using a random amount, since the give creature script can't take a variable as the amount.

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relancer said:

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I did it through recursive trigger - define random variable, and then trigger give one growth, decrease this variable, if variable greater than 0 then call trigger again and it works that way.

But most think is for example heroes 5 has stripped Lua language that someone can use (it's stripped very strongly, most of normal lua functions do not work)

Here some translator could have similar function, i.e for example in heroes5 user does not need to compile anything, he write code text to lua file and it runs. Here I think should be at least function that can convert custom javascript-like code to H4Script.

Otherwice user script cannot be absolutely custom and depends on developer.

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iliveinabox05 said:

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Nothing would need to be compiled by the user. You would just open up a map, Maybe have a menu Advanced->Randomize Armies, and it goes through the map and adds the scripting. Even more simple to add settings to customize.

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relancer said:

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I am more about programabble (!) writing a script to hero (absolutely custom map and absolutely custom desired script), not java/python scripting (it can only translate pseudo-lang to h4script, but without any map logic done by java/python except select_script,translate_pseudo and write_script), not filling the boxes, final script can be h4script bytes written to hero.

Something like java translator to bytecode
Might be very useful, just I think it is a bit hard.

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iliveinabox05 said:

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Could it be done? Sure, but it would be a massive amount of work to cover all scripts and you'd basically need to come up with your own scripting language for it (or use something like what h4util does).

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relancer said:

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It seems not that unreal after sorting the commands by type and then defining it semantic (i grouped to: cmp operators, logical operators, math operators, set/clear operators, check_bool_state operators, other check operators, incr/decr operators, take/give operators, calendar-dependent operators, definitions, single executive actions)

There are only 97 commands and I still have troubles in understanding the meaning (what are they for) the below ones:

   LITERAL="lit",
   PLAYER="player", # ??? (suspicion: player player_id belongs_to fraction_id)
   
   REMOVE_THIS="rem_this", # ? what is it?

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iliveinabox05 said:

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   LITERAL="lit",
   PLAYER="player", # ??? (suspicion: player player_id belongs_to fraction_id)
   
   REMOVE_THIS="rem_this", # ? what is it?

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