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Blizzardboy
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posted November 15, 2021 01:36 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 01:40, 15 Nov 2021.

Okay, but could you give me an example of one of these people? The name of a leader in politics, in business, etc.

edit: You've said you're not a fan of many Jews. Could you name somebody who is planning to destroy me? What is their motive for doing this, and what is their goal?
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posted November 15, 2021 03:24 AM

Blizzardboy said:
Okay, but could you give me an example of one of these people? What is their motive for doing this, and what is their goal?


an example? you want an example of snow that surrounds you, dude? it's everywhere, ffs. i've pointed it out to your kind countless times; and you've excused everything they did that i railed against. if i gave you even one name, you'd just chalk it up to tinfoil hat bs. i could give you all that i know, and you'll just argue with me. you'll defend who you're trained to defend until the day you die, i expect. and like i said, it doesn't really matter now, anyway.

but, i'll answer a little bit more. they don't have ONE motive, any more than they have ONE way to accomplish their goals. but i guess you could group them into a similar motive: reduce and/or remove threats to their power/influence. i don't know any of their true end goals that has clear evidence, beyond that. i could only speculate what their end goals are after the collapse. the population control idea makes sense, based on what they're doing with people's bodies now, and how much they're trying to enforce it. and from what studies are showing, this isn't JUST about population control, but also expansion of their power and wealth. i have to hand it to them, when they push their influence, they always cover more than one base. no matter what happens, they win in some form or another(elections/laws/media propaganda/public relations, etc). they have infiltrated every single place they can gain and maintain control. i admit, they have some bright mothersnowers on their think tank. i guess their stranglehold on western society comes easy to them, as they've been at this for a long goddamn time. they have endless resources at their disposal; not the least of which, is people like yourself who help them out by pushing their bs. like the mods here, silencing any unapproved dissent once it gets loud enough. that's happening EVERYWHERE.

the evidence of their push to reduce/remove threats to their power/influence is snowing everywhere you look. everything they do all ties into that one point. it's plain to see, to anyone who isn't currently one of their drones.


i had initially posted a lot more, and meant to post much more than that, but you're not going to listen to me anyway. you haven't for literal years; and i don't think for a second that you're interested in bridging the gap between us. the only reason i posted any of this at all, is for others who might be reading and are truly interested in understanding. like there's any left who don't fall into one of two camps by now...

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posted November 15, 2021 05:07 AM

@fred

Again, could you name a few people who are doing these things, or post/repost a link about them? I won't call you a tinfoil hatter or anything.
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posted November 15, 2021 05:52 AM

no, you won't. you'll just turn me in to the feds, claiming i'm a threat to these people. because you don't know any better, and because they've trained your kind to do so. for all i know, you've already contacted them, and they've responded telling you that in order for a credible threat case to be justified in investigating, they need specific names or so-called targets to be mentioned.

trust me when i say, i'm not a threat. the people in my corner aren't actors, but reactors. we are only about defense. it is they, and your kind, who we are/would defend against; because they've weaponized people like you(with varying degrees of success). this is why it is crucial for your handlers to paint us as terrorists(which they do to any who stand in their way), because without an actual threat, they have to create one for you to "identify", so you can help them weed out any non-compliant to their goals.


let me go about this a different way. i'm going to ask you a series of questions, and i want to you to post your god-honest answers to them. i'm going to expect you to not troll me, and be honest; as i've been.


1. do you explicitly trust the U.S. government and it's agencies? yes or no, and why?

2. do you explicitly trust the mainstream media(both on tv and on the internet)? yes or no, and why?

3. do you trust the pharmaceutical industry? yes or no, and why?

4. do you believe the right-wing to be your enemy? yes or no, and why?

5. do you believe elections to be honest? yes or no, and why?

6. do you believe the police exist to protect the populace? yes or no, and why?

7. do you believe our military is involved in foreign relations to help spread democracy/defeat terrorism? yes or no, and why?

8. do you believe that countries should have borders which are strictly enforced(as per the topic of this thread)? yes or no, and why?

9. do you believe anything i've ever posted here in sincerity, to be factual? yes or no, and why? also, list all examples.

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posted November 15, 2021 11:37 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 13:11, 15 Nov 2021.

I'll answer your questions, but I think it would be appropriate and fair if you answered my question afterwards. Just one example of a person would be fine.

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1. do you explicitly trust the U.S. government and it's agencies? yes or no, and why?

2. do you explicitly trust the mainstream media(both on tv and on the internet)? yes or no, and why?

3. do you trust the pharmaceutical industry? yes or no, and why?

4. do you believe the right-wing to be your enemy? yes or no, and why?

5. do you believe elections to be honest? yes or no, and why?

6. do you believe the police exist to protect the populace? yes or no, and why?

7. do you believe our military is involved in foreign relations to help spread democracy/defeat terrorism? yes or no, and why?

8. do you believe that countries should have borders which are strictly enforced(as per the topic of this thread)? yes or no, and why?

9. do you believe anything i've ever posted here in sincerity, to be factual? yes or no, and why? also, list all examples.


1. I don't think they're always transparent or make decisions in the best interest of the common citizen, but I don't think they're malicious either. They sometimes act in self-interest.

2. I think every source of media reports news selectively in a way to subtlety encourage their worldview, while neglecting stories that might make their worldview look bad.  I don't think they (usually) report factually incorrect information because they easily lose their reputation for doing that and its easy enough for other journalist to fact check them.

3. I think the pharmaceutical company acts in self-interest and this harms people, but regulations prevent this to some extent. For example, monitoring drugs that easily develop a dependency/addiction, and limiting the lifespan of patents. I think the libertarian arguments for unrestricted freedom are weak and unconvincing and there should be a balancing act.

4. For the majority, no. I think some of their policies are poorly conceived, but I think that among some leftist policies as well. I do think certain leftist views on wokeness are toxic and are leading to societal decline. There's this weird phenomenon happening for the first time in human history where there can sometimes be a tyranny of the minority instead of the tyranny of the majority. I don't think anybody would have expected that.

5. I don't think massive fraud is logistically possible in elections. I think the district system of voting is very poorly designed compared to other democracies that have updated themselves to proportional or preferential voting.

6. Generally, yes, but (I know this is harsh) the police force often doesn't attract high quality individuals. I'm not onboard with cynical views related to policing. It's difficult for us to update our procedures on policing when so many criminals are armed, so gun laws should be reformed first.

7. The purpose of the US military abroad, with having bases in so many locations, is to be able to rapidly deploy in almost every circumstance. For invasions, this has bad blowback (like, power vacuums and the rise of groups such as ISIS). I don't think foreign missions are always a bad thing, like having UN troops stationed in some areas with a lot of political unrest. Having patrols in the South China Sea and some US troops stationed in S Korea and unofficially working in Taiwan is also a really intelligent move because any major attack will also mean attacking US troops, which means we can then retaliate without too much criticism, which means they don't want to attack.

8. No, not strictly, because this creates worse problems than it prevents. I think American citizens are often a greater threat to American citizens than poor people from Honduras, for example. I think agencies should be selective in how often to enforce the law. That's a legit approach to other areas as well btw. For example, traffic laws sometimes aren't enforced because it creates worse problems than it prevents. I think we should increase our cap on how many people can immigrant annually.
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posted November 15, 2021 12:32 PM

Blizzardboy said:
I'll answer your questions, but I think it would be appropriate and fair if you answered my question afterwards. Just one example of a person would be fine.

Quote:
1. do you explicitly trust the U.S. government and it's agencies? yes or no, and why?

2. do you explicitly trust the mainstream media(both on tv and on the internet)? yes or no, and why?

3. do you trust the pharmaceutical industry? yes or no, and why?

4. do you believe the right-wing to be your enemy? yes or no, and why?

5. do you believe elections to be honest? yes or no, and why?

6. do you believe the police exist to protect the populace? yes or no, and why?

7. do you believe our military is involved in foreign relations to help spread democracy/defeat terrorism? yes or no, and why?

8. do you believe that countries should have borders which are strictly enforced(as per the topic of this thread)? yes or no, and why?

9. do you believe anything i've ever posted here in sincerity, to be factual? yes or no, and why? also, list all examples.


1. I don't think they're always transparent or make decisions in the best interest of the common citizen, but I don't think they're malicious either. They sometimes act in self-interest.

2. I think every source of media reports news selectively in a way to subtlety encourage their worldview, while neglecting stories that might make their worldview look bad.  I don't think they (usually) report factually incorrect information because they easily lose their reputation for doing that and its easy enough for other journalist to fact check them.

3. I think the pharmaceutical company acts in self-interest and this harms people, but regulations prevent this to some extent. For example, monitoring drugs that easily develop a dependency/addiction, and limiting the lifespan of patents. I think the libertarian arguments for unrestricted freedom are weak and unconvincing and there should be a balancing act.

4. For the majority, no. I think some of their policies are poorly conceived, but I think that among some leftist policies as well. I do think certain leftist views on wokeness are toxic and are leading to societal decline. There's this weird phenomenon happening for the first time in human history where there can sometimes be a tyranny of the minority instead of the tyranny of the majority. I don't think anybody would have expected that.

5. I don't think massive fraud is logistically possible in elections. I think the district system of voting is very poorly designed compared to other democracies that have updated themselves to proportional or preferential voting.

5. Generally, yes, but (I know this is harsh) the police force often doesn't attract high quality individuals. I'm not onboard with cynical views related to policing. It's difficult for us to update our procedures on policing when so many criminals are armed, so gun laws should be reformed first.

6. The purpose of the US military abroad, with having bases in so many locations, is to be able to rapidly deploy in almost every circumstance. For invasions, this has bad blowback (like, power vacuums and the rise of groups such as ISIS). I don't think foreign missions are always a bad thing, like having UN troops stationed in some areas with a lot of political unrest. Having patrols in the South China Sea and some US troops stationed in S Korea and unofficially working in Taiwan is also a really intelligent move because any major attack will also mean attacking US troops, which means we can then retaliate without too much criticism. The US military is unpopular intentionally, but not because most people actually care at all about human rights. Their views are likewise based on their own self-interest.

7. No, not strictly, because this creates worse problems than it prevents. I think American citizens are often a greater threat to American citizens than poor people from Honduras, for example. I think agencies should be selective in how often to enforce the law. That's a legit approach to other areas as well btw. For example, traffic laws sometimes aren't enforced because it creates worse problems than it prevents. I think we should increase our cap on how many people can immigrant annually.



you forgot to answer this question:

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9. do you believe anything i've ever posted here in sincerity, to be factual? yes or no, and why? also, list all examples.

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posted November 15, 2021 12:37 PM

I don't remember all the stuff you posted, but I think its rarely factual.
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posted November 15, 2021 12:54 PM

Some of the things posted by fred are factual, it's his interpretation of said facts that has been rebutted.

It's also extremely hard to get him to answer a simple question.
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posted November 15, 2021 01:59 PM

@ blizz:

that's what i thought. you'll have to forgive me if i no longer trust the olive branch you initially seemed to be extending.


while you appear as a mild-mannered individual who seems relatable, i have to say, i am rather disappointed in your answers(but, they come as no surprise). even IF your olive branch was genuine(which i now absolutely don't think it is), your take on the reality of the people pulling the strings is at best, cripplingly naive. it's like you've never heard of any of the nasty things that are a matter of public record, that are attributed to those you see as largely benign. like you were a kid fresh out of elementary school, and only knew the history taught by your teachers and textbooks. and now, you whole-heartedly believe what they "teach" you further, as an adult. i think you've been indoctrinated your whole life. sheltered, as it were, from the ugly truths. either via your surrounding input, and/or through an actual effort on your own.

i remember when i thought of those in power like that, before i learned the ugly truths. i'll bet you had a really nice dad, and had a decent childhood. you never got your "bubble" popped, did you? you've been living comfy as long as you've been alive. oblivious to the horrors of human beings, and the world. and if you did see it, you saw it only through the controller's propaganda(so you could safely direct your fears where they wanted them). you willingly accepted what you were taught, and never thought to question any of it. that's the impression i get from you, in your posts, and especially with your responses to those questions.

what i'm trying to get at, is we're not going to see eye-to-eye. i stopped thinking like you when i was a child. i've been exposed to the darker reality of people, since i was a young boy. and though it has all been overwhelmingly horrible to experience what i have experienced most of my life, it at least taught me the truth about most people. it is a lesson that comes with a price, and it's a hefty one.

the majority will believe whatever they willingly convince themselves of, or allow themselves to be convinced. whichever is the most comfortable for their ego. they will turn blind eyes to horrors, as long as it means they don't have to deal with them. they'll smile through the horrors, and pretend they don't exist. and if they alone are responsible for creating horror? they will point fingers elsewhere, and claim the creator of the horror lies with someone/something else, instead of themselves.

now, i can already see your response to the above: "but fred, that's what YOU do. you're pushing your own view of the world, on everyone else. it stems from YOU. seek help and yadda yadda yadda..."

if only that were true. if only i were the source of the hell i study and gather endless intel on. nightmarishly, it's not. it'd be so much easier if i could just take a pill and see the world as some mickey mouse horsesnow. but reality, as ugly as it is, is all i give a snow about. i only care about the truth. i only want to UNDERSTAND. to get to the bottom of this existence we live in, and to understand it as acutely as i can. and what interests me the most? what has the biggest impact on my life? people, and their machinations. a world full of these fragile little egos that will defend themselves, violently if need be, to keep away the danger posed to their egos.

because of my understanding of the reality people don't want to face, i understand how they are being manipulated. i understand they ALLOW themselves to be manipulated, even at their own peril.

want evidence of that? try the covid terrormongering. try the "vaccines". try the blind faith in mainstream media, long after they've exposed themselves as charlatans and manipulators. same thing with government, it's agencies, it's institutions, and everyone who support it. the list is endless, of people and organizations that have LONG lost their credibility.

you asking me for names, is like asking me to open a phone book and pick somebody in bold, that you yourself have right in front of you. names upon names upon names, and NONE of them are looking out for our best interests. even the best of them, do it for the money or recognition. you don't get anywhere in this society, without selling your soul. only the worst rank up. only those who've shown their allegiance to the worst, get the limelight.

this is why i know that even IF you were extending a genuine olive branch(which again, i don't think you are anymore, at all), you wouldn't be able to comprehend the hand that reaches out to grasp it. we are on DRASTICALLY different levels of understanding of the world around us.


here is where you call me paranoid, tell me to take my meds(they don't work unless you take yours, ho ho), and tell me that i'm projecting myself onto the world.

and you'll claim this foolishly.

there is not only documented public evidence and validated statistics for everything i point out, there is evidence of what i point out, plainly self-evident every single day. NEW evidence daily, that paints a VERY clear picture of reality.

a reality, that you would be insane, to deny.

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posted November 15, 2021 02:15 PM

Dude, you point nothing out - you just sketch in broad strokes, without ever becoming concrete, and when you actually mention something tangible like covid, you are just plain living in lala land.

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posted November 15, 2021 02:19 PM

JollyJoker said:
Dude, you point nothing out - you just sketch in broad strokes, without ever becoming concrete, and when you actually mention something tangible like covid, you are just plain living in lala land.


you actually found a way to argue with this???

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covid terrormongering



jesus christ, dude. and I'M living in la la land? lol. case in point of the "broad strokes" i mentioned before, right here.

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posted November 15, 2021 02:38 PM

@fred

Rude.
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posted November 15, 2021 02:54 PM

sure. and your motivations for me answering that question while you deny any agreement to anything i've posted are benign, too.

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posted November 15, 2021 04:16 PM

Out of curiosity, fred, what do you propose to do with your revelations? If I read your post correctly, you claim that most people are horrible snows who care about their ego or power or something similar much more than the common good. That's fair enough, whether I agree with this or not, I can understand it. But what now? If nearly everyone are snows then it doesn't matter who's in charge. It doesn't matter who controls what. Because whoever it is, they will warp their power to serve themselves. So what would you do with your revelations?
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posted November 15, 2021 04:32 PM

He's waiting for that invaluable "I told you so" moment.

The misunderstood prophet. He's probably yearning for some really screwed-up crap to happen, just so he can rejoice.

Same as these doomsayers of old, you know. "The end is near" and stuff. Didn't happen - yet, you might add. Trouble is, if it does, the "I told you so" moment will be rather shortish.

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posted November 15, 2021 06:48 PM

Yes we have begining III World War in Poland. Muscovy attacks. Im very exciting Im waiting all my life on it. Because we win.

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posted November 15, 2021 08:08 PM

most people aren't horrible snows necessarily, they're just weak and too scared to face reality. because of that, they make disastrous decisions, regarding their own lives, and others' lives.

as for your question, geny: if you have to ask, you weren't paying attention(or maybe you were, and want me to spell it out for you). my goal has always been pretty clear. my goal is based on american constitutional values. i want that for the people across the world being used like cannon fodder.

i want people to stop being so weak and scared, and i want them to unite. and for that to happen, they all have to be on the same page. there HAS to be a unified understanding of why most people are slaves, and treated like so much cattle. i think, that if they can break their conditioning, they can greatly improve the state of their lives.

it is only through that change, that humanity can evolve past the rut it's been in for centuries. society will be allowed to evolve in a positive manner that frees them for growth as people, instead of a negative one that lords over them and leaves them stagnant.

i fully understand how ridiculous that sounds, on an online gaming forum. but it is an international forum. ideally, the idea would spread, take hold, give people hope, and help them unite, for the betterment of all decent people.

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posted November 15, 2021 08:14 PM

It is what I remembered, but I did want you to spell it out, because I thought I've seen something in your last post about realized that most people are power hungry snows and then I didn't see a point in enlightening the masses. I see now that I have misread that part. Fair enough.
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posted November 15, 2021 09:05 PM
Edited by fred79 at 21:07, 15 Nov 2021.

i think society is stuck in an infinite feedback loop, and has been since society ever made something of itself. the masses are trained and raised to think and act like children by rulers, and because most people are not trained and treated like actual adults, they have an overwhelmingly infantile understanding and child-like baseline personality.

and they all suffer for it. they claim they aren't ruled by tyrants because they have the ability to choose, but their choices are dictated and enforced by tyrants. the latest and most expansive proof of this, being the "vaccine" mandates. they've gone far past propaganda and coersion, to full-on command. and they command whoever will accept it.

because the masses are trained to think like, and treated like children, society never grows past that. society, as the rulers have made it for centuries, is a parent/child dynamic. and i want that dynamic absolutely obliterated, so that growth/positive change can be a possibility. and hopefully, flourish.

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posted November 15, 2021 09:17 PM

The problem is that, as you've said yourself, people in power found ways to abuse that power since the dawn of society. The only times this wasn't so (that I'm aware of) happened on small community scale. When you try to upscale it to a country, you get Soviet Russia.
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