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Titanfall2020
Titanfall2020


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posted November 25, 2021 02:02 PM

Gnomes2169 said:
... the military budget was increased again this year. And the only generals that retired did so because they were either disgraced or aged out after decades of service. But sure. America has a weak military now. So very weak. You hate to see it folks. How will we possibly maintain our military hegemony while we're spending only... *checks notes*... more than the next ten countries combined. Still. Just like before. Weird. It's almost like the US military is still the strongest destructive force on the planet.

Rattle your sabre harder, warhawk. The military-industrial complex appreciates you falling for their propaganda.


I used to think that military spending equated military strength.

Sadly they mostly just burn cash, they may as well just light it on fire.

China/Russia would crush America, not close. We don't have the will to fight, good personnel have been systemically gutted, and the citizens are ready to be conquered.  A large chunk of the populous would cheer on being conquered as "justice". And the billionaires of America would fund the opposition, being more aligned ideologically to them

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Ghost
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posted November 25, 2021 02:25 PM

Are you crazy to think crush America? Russia doesn't want to crush America. Think about too late that Russia is stronger than the Soviet time. USA has old equipment. But Russia doesn't attack against USA. Then USA has time to develop again. Do it mean to crush Russia? No, if war comes, it's name is the world war 3. Thus UN. No war again. But mad small countries. Problem!

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Gnomes2169
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posted November 25, 2021 02:32 PM

Yeah... no. The American populace is generally disillusioned with imperialistic wars, against small powers, solely for property and power projection. If Russia or China attacked the USA, we'd go from a barely justified offensive war to a defensive one, and that would go terribly for anyone attacking 'Murica. Because the manpower pools would surge, as people begin to fight against conquerors, to save their families from foreign tyranny. The USA will not be conquered without an ocean of blood spilled.

Also, the USA has some truly terrifying technology. We have defenses for hypersonic missiles, a technology that Russia and China are just starting to develop, because we made those missiles about a decade ago. We have drones that provide better recon and strategic bombing than anything any other country possesses. Our navy and airforce has tech that makes ICBM's effectively redundant. That military budget doesn't just go to military-industrial contracts... and those contracts also are partially for military research and production, they aren't just money holes.

Our standing military being smaller means jack and diddly squat. China and Russia are near-peers to each other, not to the USA. Together they could be a threat, but they also hate each other. Because they are rivals on the international scale, and near-peers like that typically will be working to reduce the influence the other can exert.

Oh, and billionaires and other leaders of industry have had a few decades to leave the USA, and they would have if it would be profitable for them. The fact that they don't do it already means they've weighed the options, looked at the likely outcomes, and decided that staying in the USA is a better long-term investment than China or Russia.

So again, rattle your saber harder, war boy.
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Kipshasz
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posted November 25, 2021 02:58 PM

for all it's tech might, you yanks really need better drivers, that don't get defeated by roadside trees.
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Ghost
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posted November 25, 2021 03:03 PM

Remember

B2 vs nuclear missile
Navy vs submarine plus Russian sea battle (using a Su also MiG)
Airforce vs MiG and army

I can't remember everyone now



Money? Cheap in Russia.

Other WW3, you think to crush South Africa, because money (support to Russia). But Africa doesn't like if you attack to Africa. But USA has more money and gold. Leave a South Africa? Hard to say.

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Gnomes2169
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posted November 25, 2021 03:13 PM

Kipshasz said:
for all it's tech might, you yanks really need better drivers, that don't get defeated by roadside trees.

You're asking for the impossible here, trees just cannot be avoided. Have you ever tried to drive around one? They just sit there... unmoving. Clearly provoking a direct and violent response, which can only be achieved via physical ramming.
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Kipshasz
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posted November 25, 2021 03:42 PM

actually trees in the Eastern Bloc are very mobile, they are notorious for jumping in front of vehicles just for the lulz.

Esspecially if the breathalyzer shows at least 2.45
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Gnomes2169
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posted November 25, 2021 03:58 PM

... 2.45... MORE ALCOHOL THAN BLOOD LET'S GO BOOOOOOOIZ! Those trees will never see us coming! Because we won't see us coming! Because we'll be so drunk, sober people that come within 10 meters will be hit with a second-hand buzz!
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fred79
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posted November 25, 2021 04:43 PM

if russia or china attacked the U.S., i'd punch 'em right in the face.

*flexes bicep*

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Ghost
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posted November 25, 2021 04:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gfD134ED54

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Titanfall2020
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posted November 25, 2021 05:02 PM

Gnomes2169 said:
Yeah... no. The American populace is generally disillusioned with imperialistic wars, against small powers, solely for property and power projection. If Russia or China attacked the USA, we'd go from a barely justified offensive war to a defensive one, and that would go terribly for anyone attacking 'Murica. Because the manpower pools would surge, as people begin to fight against conquerors, to save their families from foreign tyranny. The USA will not be conquered without an ocean of blood spilled.

Also, the USA has some truly terrifying technology. We have defenses for hypersonic missiles, a technology that Russia and China are just starting to develop, because we made those missiles about a decade ago. We have drones that provide better recon and strategic bombing than anything any other country possesses. Our navy and airforce has tech that makes ICBM's effectively redundant. That military budget doesn't just go to military-industrial contracts... and those contracts also are partially for military research and production, they aren't just money holes.

Our standing military being smaller means jack and diddly squat. China and Russia are near-peers to each other, not to the USA. Together they could be a threat, but they also hate each other. Because they are rivals on the international scale, and near-peers like that typically will be working to reduce the influence the other can exert.

Oh, and billionaires and other leaders of industry have had a few decades to leave the USA, and they would have if it would be profitable for them. The fact that they don't do it already means they've weighed the options, looked at the likely outcomes, and decided that staying in the USA is a better long-term investment than China or Russia.

So again, rattle your saber harder, war boy.


The communists have never planned to invade the US with arms. They said correctly that America would become a communist nation through the subversion of media and universities. Surprise.

That said, if America faught on foreign land, say defending Taiwan from China; America would be laughed off the island in short order. The American left would be practically cheer on China as they conquered Taiwan, being so full of hate for America and having a penchant for Chinese totalitarianism (under the guise of safety, justice, and pragmatism of course).

You see China and Russia also have technology the states doesn't have. And they don't hate each other as you erroneously claim. They hold military events together often, and share technology. The two hate America far more than they hate eachother, and it's no wonder they spend so much money on propaganda to make Americans hate themselves.

That said, through the aforementioned subversion of media and universities, America has more than enough domestic enemies; willing to abolish the constitution to dominate their fellow citizens.

Hell, I bet China could release a bio-weapon that kills a few hundred thousand Americans, crash their economy, revolutionize their voting systemc to abolish voter integrity, and give emergency powers to tyrants to crush constitutional rights that are the foundation of the nation; and most Americans would sit idly by and blame whoever their televisions tell them to be mad at.

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Kipshasz
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posted November 25, 2021 05:52 PM

pretty snowty bio-weapon if you ask me.

Should've been a few hundered million americans, would've done the world a massive favour, not to mention an average IQ boost.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted November 25, 2021 05:58 PM

America is turning communist through universities and media, hmmm. Time travel is amazing, I like witnessing Cold War propaganda as live action. Now play the trompet like Louis Armstrong.
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Titanfall2020
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posted November 25, 2021 06:23 PM
Edited by Titanfall2020 at 18:24, 25 Nov 2021.

artu said:
America is turning communist through universities and media, hmmm. Time travel is amazing, I like witnessing Cold War propaganda as live action. Now play the trompet like Louis Armstrong.


What of the following do you dispute:

Marxism and atheism are the foundations of communism.

An essence of Marxism is dividing people into classes. Rich vs poor, black vs white, gay vs straight, female vs male, binary vs non-binary, educated vs uneducated, woke vs anti-woke.

Communists subsumed nations through weakening them with propaganda.

Communist adversaries like the soviet union plotted the downfall of America through subversion of media/education, and spent a large chunk of their money on creating propaganda for us.

Communist China continues that strategy and funds all sorts of marxist ideas here. Major funders of the avowwed Marxist revolutionary group BLM, our radical left universities (98% of our universities), the open borders movement.

Around 50% of Americans approve of socialism, as opposed to around 7% when the nation was stronger, healthier, and more prosperous.

That communists have written openly about their plans and agendas for America for almost a century. Their publications on dividing us by race, by gender, prosperity are publicly available. One of their key strategies was the Cloward-Pivon; the intentional impoverishing and destruction of the well being of Americans so that they would accept communism.

That the American cultural revolution we're seeing including the toppling of statues, selective and militant enforcement of political correctness, the intentional attack on the middle class, the militant left slant of mass media, the marxist indoctrination in public schools , and mobs of socialist terrorists brandishing the hammer and sickle and screaming for "social justice"; all almost exactly replicate the Chinese cultural revolution which culminated in mass violence and intentional starvation of "far-right extremists".

That you will not bother to discuss any of these points.

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artu
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posted November 25, 2021 07:38 PM

Atheism is simply not believing in gods.

Marxism had the utopian goal to end class division. Just because it doesnt work doesnt mean it tries to divide and actual Marxism would categorize identity politics other than social class as a distraction of the oppressing class. (Ironically, like you do.) Straight or gay, Canadian or Arab, all workers of the world, unite. That is Marxism.

China, in practice (de facto) is State Capitalism. Not communism.

Now, Marx is not just a political thinker. His political estimations got debunked by history itself. But Marx is also one of the guys who invented sociology as we know it. Of course, in any university, social sciences will feed from that. That doesnt mean they are spreading communism. They also teach Platon because he invented formal categories, doesnt mean they are preaching his State.
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Kipshasz
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Elvin's Darkside
posted November 25, 2021 07:41 PM

Gnomes2169 said:
... 2.45... MORE ALCOHOL THAN BLOOD LET'S GO BOOOOOOOIZ! Those trees will never see us coming! Because we won't see us coming! Because we'll be so drunk, sober people that come within 10 meters will be hit with a second-hand buzz!


That's actually pretty low, but I guess near lethal to 'muricans.


I think in my country the current record is for civvies 4,68, and 3,58 for the military busted while in uniform.
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Bytebandit
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posted November 25, 2021 08:27 PM

fred79 said:
if russia or china attacked the U.S., i'd punch 'em right in the face.



I have my guns ready for anything. They'll have to use a couple of people to pry the guns from my dead hands.
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Kayna
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posted November 25, 2021 08:40 PM

Lol. Russia, China, USA, they wont wage war upon each other for centuries. The nuclear bomb changed things. They're going to pretend they're at odds publicly, yes, but in reality, they'll suck their weaker, neighboring countries dry before facing each other. They will become 3 tall and strong trees with all the nearby flora dead as compost.

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posted November 25, 2021 08:47 PM

That's good to hear. Because I carry a gun on me everywhere I go. I have a CWP that allows me to do that. I collect them and shoot them all the time. I used to reload my own shells too. I also do a lot of deer hunting. A country boy can survive!
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Titanfall2020
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posted November 25, 2021 08:56 PM
Edited by Titanfall2020 at 22:53, 25 Nov 2021.

artu said:
Atheism is simply not believing in gods.

Marxism had the utopian goal to end class division. Just because it doesnt work doesnt mean it tries to divide and actual Marxism would categorize identity politics other than social class as a distraction of the oppressing class. (Ironically, like you do.) Straight or gay, Canadian or Arab, all workers of the world, unite. That is Marxism.

China, in practice (de facto) is State Capitalism. Not communism.

Now, Marx is not just a political thinker. His political estimations got debunked by history itself. But Marx is also one of the guys who invented sociology as we know it. Of course, in any university, social sciences will feed from that. That doesnt mean they are spreading communism. They also teach Platon because he invented formal categories, doesn't mean they are preaching his State.


At least you're informed and agree that Marxism doesn't work.

Me distract from the oppressive class? I'm trying to warn people of an international totalitarian oligarchy that is using the woke left and their activism as foot-soldiers and useful idiots to seize power and liberty from the citizens to themselves. From BLM terrorism, to forced vaccinations, to abolishing our oil while buying foreign oil, to Marxist theories (race/trans/religious); mega-corporations, the woke left, and the entirety of the uni-party state work in unison.

Marxism as an ephemeral set of ideas doesn't seek to divide, but this aforementioned merger uses it to divide and conquer. It really is their only play. Their platform is "My opponents are racist, sexist, bigoted, transphobic, homophobic, greedy, murderous, uneducated neo-Nazis." Their policies are horrendous and destructive, all of them, so they can't campaign on them; they just slander. Not one thing since they've installed Biden has helped a single citizen.

Yes, China is state capitalism, or simply fascism, which is what communist revolutions always turn into. That is this totalitarian oligarchy's goal. They consist of ideologues, pragmatists, the greedy, the malicious, the vengeful, the incompetent, and perhaps well meaning fools.

Their combined crusade to usurp power from citizens has left the military weak, the men effeminate, the citizens poorer, the universities stupid, and the nation divided means a serious nation like China which doesn't tolerate 1/10th of the folly would easily defeat us.

These efforts were not always in concert, but seem to have coalesced together since Obama, and make the brunt of the Democrat political alliance. As the Marxist intellectuals and media rotted the character of the nation with bogus critical theories, and the transnational corporations began to fund attacks on patriotism and constitutionalism, the fabric of society began to crumble. This alliance between Marxist intellectuals and footsoldiers, transnational corporations, and corrupt politicians wants nothing less than totalitarian control, and essentially the abolition of the constitution. For the greater good, of course. For justice.

And just to clarify, the corporations love environmental regulations; it allows them to conquer smaller businesses who can't afford the insanity. This green movement is a trojan horse for this group to dominate you.

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