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Ghost
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posted February 21, 2023 02:14 PM |
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Vegetarian vs Carnivore
what's in it for us? At least health. I'm a carnivore, I had been vegetarian but milk with in years, and I was weight 55kg. I tried already.. I know almost all about mineral, vitamin, etc Because I love superfoods, an example spirulina, but myth. Then vitamin C, etc what it gives strong body is a true.. Why I create/bring this thread? Phe and Espen..
Espen said:
phe said:
Espen said:
One thing I am always curious about when people eat largely (or wholly) vegan - doa you make sure to get enough nutrients? Especially b12, iodine, iron, creatine, carnosine & d3 (off the top of my head).
these are stereotypes...body gets used to...body produces some...it tells you what to eat...you don't need so much iron, b12, iodine, creatine, carnosine & d3, you need to get more sun light...
if don't know what to eat when don't feel well, eat soya, potatoes and beetroots...and all these my dishes mentioned by me in this topis...
Ok. So in other words you don't really know, because that is simply factually wrong and quite dangerous long term. Especially for someone growing and women if pregnant. The only statement I can agree with is sunlight is good because of vitamin D.
phe said:
Espen said:
Ok. So in other words you don't really know, because that is simply factually wrong and quite dangerous long term. Especially for someone growing and women if pregnant. The only statement I can agree with is sunlight is good because of vitamin D.
superstitions... paid and indoctrinated... I know from my own experience...
Espen said:
Ghost said:
Espen said:
The only statement I can agree with is sunlight is good because of vitamin D.
I really don't want talk about vegetarian and mineral, vitamin, etc When my guy is also vegetarian.. But I know almost all.. Ok if you got a tanned skin, vitamin D is a maximum, it after you can't get more vitamin D, because your skin is already tanned.. So muslim clothes, etc  and black people.. They have to eat.. No easy world and religion.. So you know https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy then..
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Drakon-Deus
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posted February 21, 2023 02:27 PM |
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How about just omnivore? Why pit carnivore against vegetarian?
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Ghost
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posted February 21, 2023 02:37 PM |
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Edited by Ghost at 14:49, 21 Feb 2023.
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Drakon-Deus said:
How about just omnivore? Why pit carnivore against vegetarian?
Good question.. I'm not omnivore  When I don't like a sausage.. Yes the world sells vegetable foods in the future.. Finnish government has spoken! But the rich people buy a meat
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"Frozen vegetables are an easy-to-use addition to a versatile diet, as they are just as nutritious as fresh vegetables. Among plant nutrients, especially vitamin C is sensitive to losses. There are some vitamin losses right after harvesting, because light breaks down vitamin C." - Using brain  and the text has been translated by Google
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Espen
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posted February 21, 2023 05:12 PM |
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Edited by Espen at 17:13, 21 Feb 2023.
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Drakon-Deus said:
How about just omnivore? Why pit carnivore against vegetarian?
This is the only correct answer, neither pure carnivore or pure vegan is truly healthy. You can get away with either one if you are adult and otherwise healthy, if you plan out your meals meticulously making sure to include every nutrient and micronutrient you would normally get from the other. But overall, a healthy & varied diet is far superior. Variations of meat, poultry and fish/seafood (clean meat not processed crap), preferably free range or wild caught) with a large variation of legumes, vegetables and fruit. Preferably homegrown or ecological and locally produced.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted February 21, 2023 06:50 PM |
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Edited by artu at 18:50, 21 Feb 2023.
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Who on earth is pure carnivore anyway? Nobody eats like tigers.
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Ghost
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posted February 21, 2023 07:09 PM |
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I'm not interested in vege.. Sorry! I eat meat in every day.. with rices or potatoes.. Only meat!
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Minion
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posted February 21, 2023 07:11 PM |
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Jordan Peterson. "I eat beef and salt and water. That's it"
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Espen
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posted February 21, 2023 07:29 PM |
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Edited by Espen at 19:31, 21 Feb 2023.
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artu said:
Who on earth is pure carnivore anyway? Nobody eats like tigers.
It has been a trend for a while, the diet includes loads of offal to get the nutrients you need to be able to eat only animalistic products. Both liver and bone marrow are insanely healthy.
@Ghost - You do realize potato is a vegetable, right? 
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phe 
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posted February 21, 2023 08:24 PM |
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Edited by phe at 20:31, 21 Feb 2023.
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People and animals are beings, individuals, possessing central nerve system. That make the different from plants. Animals feel the same like humans...
If you are carnivore, omnivore you can eat other humans, but it's completely unnecessary...You can eat just plants...they are tasty but many don't know about it...Taste becomes more sensitive when you are vegetarian...Meat contains a drug - adrenaline produced in terrible stress when dying... addiction to this passes after several months of vegetarian diet...
If are omnisexual and only underage girl or boy can give you sexual satisfaction it doesn't mean that you have right to keep this boy or girl locked to serve your needs...
Not so long time ago many got equality(abolishion of slavery and feudal service)...equal rights, voting right, being considered as human being...for many it is not deserved and in advance as long they are lying, rude, criminal...
Attitude to animals, children born and unborn, weaker ones, harm to others shows how human we are...
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted February 21, 2023 08:52 PM |
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Many living creatures die every day for the production of grain or vegetables. Plowing kills moles, mice, snakes, lizards etc and turning any piece of land into cropland destroys the home and food supply of many other animals. So...
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Espen
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posted February 21, 2023 09:05 PM |
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Edited by Espen at 21:06, 21 Feb 2023.
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That is completely devoid of logic. Basically all nutrients has to come through diet (vitamin d from sunlight, body can produce some amino acids on its own). This is a fact, how you personally feel about it changes nothing. Yes you need plants in your diet, but you also need meat unless you are extremely strict and preferably supplement. Your body does not adapt, your body does not start producing anything on its own, it doesn't stop needing any nutrients and most people won't recognize the symptoms of nutrient deficiency.
You do know that if the animal is scared it will produce the adrenaline you talk about, but this also makes the meat taste bad. Which is why most places make sure the animal remain calm before they die to produce an actual well-flavored piece of produce.
Also, it is proven that while plants do not feel the same way that we do, they can actually sense when they are being cut, eaten, when other plants are lacking nutrients and will redirect of their own resources. They just have a different way of sensing/feeling, doesn't make it less real.
The rest you wrote makes no sense. Are you comparing people who eat meat to pedophiles, actual murderers and .. slavery? That's pretty snowed up.
@Sal; don't forget how/where most soy is grown 
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phe
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Life and Freedom
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posted February 21, 2023 09:08 PM |
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Edited by phe at 21:13, 21 Feb 2023.
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Salamandre said:
Many living creatures die every day for the production of grain or vegetables. Plowing kills moles, mice, snakes, lizards etc and turning any piece of land into cropland destroys the home and food supply of many other animals. So...
If it was settled that you can't harm any creature in your farm we could get far more advanced civilization... we would have had intensive, irrigated market-gardens pot based plantations suspended in some height to make it rodent free, bug free, and spaying free...maybe in green-houses...treadmills, watermills, windmills as power plants... railroads to transport these...
now when antigravity is about to be revealed to all we can have space farms producing all climat zones, unlimited food, bug free, rodent free, sparying free without accidents in farming...
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Salamandre
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posted February 21, 2023 09:19 PM |
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Last time I wanted peaches in January, my local market proposed me 3 units for 10 times the normal price, as they came from Cuba. Now imagine if they came from planet Mars.
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phe
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posted February 21, 2023 09:34 PM |
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Espen said:
That is completely devoid of logic. Basically all nutrients has to come through diet (vitamin d from sunlight, body can produce some amino acids on its own). This is a fact, how you personally feel about it changes nothing. Yes you need plants in your diet, but you also need meat unless you are extremely strict and preferably supplement. Your body does not adapt, your body does not start producing anything on its own, it doesn't stop needing any nutrients and most people won't recognize the symptoms of nutrient deficiency.
carnivorous ones could also get nutrient defficiency...
if you eat as I said you would't have nutrient defficiency...
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You do know that if the animal is scared it will produce the adrenaline you talk about, but this also makes the meat taste bad. Which is why most places make sure the animal remain calm before they die to produce an actual well-flavored piece of produce.
Also, it is proven that while plants do not feel the same way that we do, they can actually sense when they are being cut, eaten, when other plants are lacking nutrients and will redirect of their own resources. They just have a different way of sensing/feeling, doesn't make it less real.
The rest you wrote makes no sense. Are you comparing people who eat meat to pedophiles, actual murderers and .. slavery? That's pretty snowed up.
many maybe most of people who wouldn't have been told that lying, cheating, stealing, killing, pedophilia and so on is bad would do these things...many of them even if they are told that that things are a harm to others do this so I tell you all: animals feel the same as people, meat is completely unnecessary, innocent animals deserve more respect than bad people, if you know all of these and you can't restrain from making harm to other beings than you are as like as tose pedophiles, killers and so on...believe in people who don't deserve to be people who don't behave like people is kind od religion worse than existing ones...
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Espen
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posted February 21, 2023 09:37 PM |
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I think Phe is smoking some good stuff..
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted February 21, 2023 09:40 PM |
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Well, he acknowledged his addiction to plants.
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phe
Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
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posted February 21, 2023 09:42 PM |
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Edited by phe at 21:47, 21 Feb 2023.
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Salamandre said:
Last time I wanted peaches in January, my local market proposed me 3 units for 10 times the normal price, as they came from Cuba. Now imagine if they came from planet Mars.
antigravity and teleportation would propably be cheaper to get goods from Mars than from Cuba... imagine farms covering whole sky in Moon's distant their surface magnitude and nearly free tranport(no more oil)...and whole Earth's distance from Sun in every direction could be covered with farms....
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Espen
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posted February 21, 2023 09:47 PM |
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phe said:
carnivorous ones could also get nutrient defficiency...
if you eat as I said you would't have nutrient defficiency...
If you eat meat as I said you would thrive; variation of meat/poultry/seafood, plenty of varied vegetables, legumes, fruits, egg, cheese, milk.
With only vegetables there will most certainly be deficiencies, with only meat there will most certainly be deficiencies.
Drakon made it simple with his first post, why choose either or when you can do both.
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Looking at the rest of that post, and your last one .. I think talking about any kind of diets or nutrition with you is a lost cause, when you bring up teleporting food from Mars and low-energy anti-gravity farming.
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phe
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posted February 21, 2023 09:53 PM |
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Espen said:
With only vegetables there will most certainly be deficiencies, with only meat there will most certainly be deficiencies.
vegetables, fruits, grains...vegetarian animals can , people can as well...so it's superstition...it wouldn't be any deficiencies...
levels of some substances can be biased by carnivore standard...but you can live sound on vegan diet...
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Espen
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posted February 21, 2023 10:15 PM |
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Humans and cows don't function the same. Please start reading actual books, and please don't ruin other people by enforcing your obsession on them.
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