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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 15, 2025 10:53 AM |
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FirePaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted February 15, 2025 04:16 PM |
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Etharil said:
Tavi is not connected to Vori in any shape or form. MM lore basically implies that elves were "one people" at some point - based on what we know, we could refer to them as Vori Elves. Then history took its turn and they split into light elves (like AvLee elves, for example but also many other places), dark elves (primarily Jadameans) and snow elves (Vori). As for Wood and High/Grand Elves: these are more like cultural / military ranks among citizens of AvLee rather than races. =)
There are other shenanigans involving Vori in lore but in terms of elves, that's the basic gist of it. ^^
Wood Elves and Snow Elves are both two kinds of Light Elves, with the Snow Elves being the "purest" of them, for obvious reasons: the convenient Norse association (Ljósálfar, literally Light Elves), and the fascination of developers such as David Mullich with Tolkien's works, and thus the likeliness of ideas from Valinor and Halls of Mandos being used in the context of the Snow Elves found in the "Land across the Sea".
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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Syth1984
Hired Hero
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posted February 15, 2025 07:29 PM |
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Bloated buildings and aesthetics I can get behind.
Gnat: No objection could have been a bit more fly-like.
Locus: Cool no objection as well.Could have had grasshopper legs.
Hornet: My favorite in the faction.
Mantis: Doesn’t look like mantis like.Could be a bit slender and towering.
Reaver: Looks cool but very similar to Mantis.
Vaurms: Original, cool no objection.
Hive mother: Would have preferred a devil-like insectoid.
Mantis or Reaver (preferably Reaver ) should change. There are so many other insects in the world. Scarabs, scorpions,grasshoppers, Moths,centipedes,Mosquitos, fleas, fire ants,Stag Beatles you name it(Strike through ones would compete with other tier creatures so I omitted them). If you could combine it with stallion+ beattle even better. But probably changing the aesthetics of the Reaver to a scorpion-like creature would do the trick.
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kesnarii
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 16, 2025 06:46 PM |
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I really like th hive until now! Great work.
I agree with the guys before me that mantis and reaver look too much alike.
Also, considering that there are heroes from other factions, I would have loved to also have a similar creature. Something like assimilated humans or minotaur or something...
Unless you already have a similar mechanic like skeleton transformer but creating Gnats... 
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Etharil 
Shaper of Lore
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posted February 17, 2025 05:50 PM |
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Edited by Etharil at 17:54, 17 Feb 2025.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 17, 2025 07:01 PM |
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Sorry for our truly medieval forum 
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Rimgrabber
Promising
Famous Hero
Voice in Gelu's Head
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posted February 17, 2025 09:13 PM |
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The faction looks really cool! I'm a little sad about no Inferno but I really respect the commitment to the lore and trying to do something new and fresh to avoid retcons. Much better than a standard Ubisoft game would have done with Ashan where they would have completely contradicted their own lore in order to reuse creature models 
I'm really excited to see the full reveal of the "secret faction." In one of my proposal threads I tossed around the idea of an ice themed faction and I've gotten really into Lovecraftian horror since then, and it seems like the secret faction is going to be both. I'm really pumped to play this game!
The music is fantastic as always. I think it definitely beats out the H5 and H7 Inferno soundtracks (H7 has one on the digital soundtrack even though Inferno isn't in the game.) Not sure if I think it's better than H3 or H6 yet though. I'll have to keep relistening!
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted February 17, 2025 09:24 PM |
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Aha.. "H8 is fixed H4".. Who knows?! I never liked H5-H7.. Version would be the same as Halloween 3 movie.. H8 is a good..
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Fight MWMs - stand teach
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The_Green_Drag
Supreme Hero
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posted February 17, 2025 10:35 PM |
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Insect inferno turned out pretty great overall. I like how they don’t have a ranged unit unless you pick the alt T6 upgrade. The factions in general seem pretty different, which is a nice break from the cookie cutter line ups from previous games!
I’m surprised there isn’t a beetle or scarab looking unit since they went with the bug direction. Something with some giant pincers would be cool.
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TheJoker
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 18, 2025 06:12 PM |
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Edited by TheJoker at 18:13, 18 Feb 2025.
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About the lack of ranged units, I wonder if the devs thought of Town siege balance. As the attacking faction, Hive could struggle there maybe.
There's only two effective fliers too (Hornet and Waurm), so you can have two melee fliers or one melee flier and one shooter. And one of the fliers is T3 and will die quickly over the wall.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted February 18, 2025 06:28 PM |
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Worst team? Avenger goes to Hive in MWM3..
Ok, yes it should harder strategy, if Force Field, etc so UbiSnow knows what to talk about..
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Fight MWMs - stand teach
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Rimgrabber
Promising
Famous Hero
Voice in Gelu's Head
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posted February 18, 2025 07:53 PM |
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In my experience flyers are much more useful than shooters in a siege. Shooters have their damage cut down so much that they barely contribute anything unless you have an artifact like the golden bow.
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Etharil
Shaper of Lore
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posted February 20, 2025 06:15 PM |
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 21, 2025 01:24 PM |
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Gnomes2169
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
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posted February 21, 2025 03:10 PM |
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The design of the Locust is an interesting one. We don't know what the average stats are on tier 2 creatures in general at this point, so we don't know if the damage is particularly high or low, but if it's even average then their double strike makes them a nasty little threat. I'm feeling safe on guessing that their defenses are pretty low for the tier, though, given their life is only a little bit higher than what we saw from the tier 1 units, who are supposed to be high-number, disposable meat shields.
The upgrades are also interesting. The Overgrown locust's increased defenses and first-strike on the retaliation attack make it a bit more resilient against melee attackers. Their increased damage range will probably be fine if the Inferno player has some way to bless them, but might be a liability when fighting a debuff-happy town. The Harvester, meanwhile, doubles down on the offensive side of things, has increased speed, completely consistent damage and gets the Vanguard hive mind, all of which pumps its damage more. The durability of the Overgrown locust probably makes it safer to creep with, but in a player battle, it will heavily depend on what kind of spells you and your opponent bring and how that influences this unit's damage range that will determine which is best.
I'm also not quite seeing the complaint that the mantis and the reaper are too similar. The mantis is quadrupedal with shovel arms, a visible tail and a relatively muted idle animation. The Reaper is bipedal with freaking fire coming off of it at all times, 8 arms and a much more animated idle animation. Honestly, the locust and the mantis look more similar to me, given their body positioning and relatively pill-like body shape, but the armor plating and shovel claws on the Mantis still makes it obviously different enough to not be confusing. IDK, just not getting this one.
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Yeah in the 18th century, two inventions suggested a method of measurement. One won and the other stayed in America.
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