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Ghost
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posted February 06, 2025 06:06 PM |
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Poll Question:
What is an impossible map and level?
Today I make Abandoned Colony (WoG/ERA).. A map is a "new world 3DO by WoG/ERA", thus map hasn't AI bonuses, but the Dead Ornament style.. Map difficulty is Expert.. Hands down! Ok what do you think about the impossible map and level? Your maximum?! What?
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Barbuta
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posted February 08, 2025 02:20 PM |
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Option 6: I don't understand your question... tick
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bloodsucker
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posted February 08, 2025 09:25 PM |
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Barbuta said:
Option 6: I don't understand your question... tick
Same.
I think there are few people who can really make a real and good Impossible map. Why? Cause if you can't beat all fights you can't test it and for you to be able to beat all and it still deserve the Impossible classification you must be the Giga Chad or spend years testing and even then, there aren't that many like Paragon and Metataxer.
P.S. To Ghost: do you remember in one of our last interactions me saying I've made a template cause I wanted to test something?
It's like this: human player starts with one town, with two others of the same type and few dwellings (just 1 of level 7) in his area and he can only advance throw the map defeating players one by one. Player 2 starts with three towns and has many high level dwellings, namely 3 of level 7, there is one mine of every resource and tons of banks in his area. After defeating this one, player has to cross a treasure area to face Player 3, that has even more dwellings and a 4th town of the same type as player. And so on... starting with more towns, more mines more dwellings and even more powerups. There are no roads between different zones and I banned View Air and View Earth.
I thought I had created an Impossible Template.
I wasn't even close...
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Ghost
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posted February 09, 2025 03:40 PM |
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Well you understood my question, and you gave comment.. Another example I played two impossible HoMM3 maps.. I can't find a impossible, because normal level, when AI couldn't play anything.. The armies are too small.. And normal monsters, etc But mapmaker for impossible, because it looks like that he/she has a hard time winning games.. The last alternative is failed, when every one 1 player has 5 towns plus lvl 7+ dwellings and many arena, marletto, etc Which one? Another impossible, but it looks an easy level..
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bloodsucker
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posted February 09, 2025 04:04 PM |
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I just answered to the title of the thread, I have no idea what the first post meant.
In WoG you can look at Better AI from Sal. It has all the tricks I ever manage to use and some more... Maybe it could also convert all dwellings to that player starting race but that's it.
It's pretty hard to keep the map open, with moving AIs, and still give them troops/growth that is at the same time very hard to beat and beatable. For that I like the Salamandre's idea of "Invaders!" triggered by some event. Look in to Maygwan's "Conquest of the Universe" for other tricks to suddenly dump uber heroes on the map.
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Ghost
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posted February 09, 2025 04:48 PM |
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Because he succeeded well, but he beat his own map, is it impossible? Many beat it, and gave good rating.. I think that he made impossible to other player.. But I also believe he still has the impossible, and he is playing yet until accepted because beat the map.. When I made impossible, and I can't win, so I fixed map or I threw to trash.. Another I kept impossible map, but I can't publish yet.. Depends on mind..
Very slowly I gradually make a good map, example of Abandoned Colony hasn't AI bonuses.. I throw impossible out.. Because impossible AI and impossible map are different thing.. Impossible map means cartographer creates difficulty paths, etc
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bloodsucker
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posted February 09, 2025 05:07 PM |
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I wasn't talking about the difficulty of these maps but of the methods used on them to increase that difficulty.
Notice that in Metataxer an enemy attacks you day 1 with dozens of Dragons... but there is a special trick that makes the battle winnable. And if you read about the trick here or watched one of the many walkthroughs of the map existing on YouTube, it's a battle boring as hell.
To keep the map with moving AIs, you need to know you'll be ready for them at any time or block their access to you, till you're ready. So, they can't be a day away from you with 20 special dragons.
Or they can but you are fleeing with some tricks (Lord of the Rings, TEW IV)
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Ghost
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posted February 09, 2025 05:31 PM |
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Edited by Ghost at 17:46, 09 Feb 2025.
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Maybe I played Metataxer, when ridiculous empty area, but I met enemy.. And I wondered how.. I can't remember more, maybe video helps me, I remember landscape well same as cartoon book.. But I know map picture is dragon.. Later on I play Metataxer again.. If the same map!
Illusion world 3  AIs are too aggressive, etc One minus that you join to creatures, but without creatures, Illusion world 3 is Expert between Impossible.. I recommend you play it.. Hard level  His opinion.. With WoG script becomes stronger or Difficulty Mod, so joining creatures can't help you.. Notice! Extreme rare map.. Valuable experiment!
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Beautiful surface map
Illusion world 3
Ok I haven't played TEW IV.. Because I tried in WoG 3.58f or what was it.. Map doesn't work.. Later on I saw TEW IV again, but KingSlayer said later on.. It after map disappeared, thus Sal and Bersy.. Ok give it later..
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bloodsucker
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posted February 09, 2025 05:52 PM |
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Thanks, I've played an Illusion World but I think it was the 2.0. This looks to have less water.
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Ghost
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posted February 09, 2025 06:01 PM |
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2,0 is a very easy, but puzzle..
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markmasters
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posted February 10, 2025 09:29 AM |
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To me a map is ''impossible' if it requires one of the following:
- a redo from the start with viable information you now know about the map
- multiple loads/saves when playing for the first time
- Battles that require thought
- offers replayability
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bloodsucker
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posted February 10, 2025 01:22 PM |
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Sorry to disagree but I think the first three are required for anything above Normal and the last one simply doesn't apply. It's a question of Good or Bad map, not of difficulty. For instance, "Viking we shall go" isn't particularly difficult but it offers tons of replayability...
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markmasters
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posted February 11, 2025 08:47 AM |
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you're not wrong regarding that, but maps like all for one you'll just breeze through. ai needs some advantages to provide a challenge. I think one of the better ''classic'' maps that provide sort of a challenge is pestilence lake?
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bloodsucker
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posted February 17, 2025 10:17 AM |
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So, I've made a map using that template. I immediately buffed AI's growth and income and build up their main heroes to insane, without testing. Now I guess I can't beat it.
Is this deserving an Impossible classification or it's just a bad accomplished map?
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Ghost
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posted February 17, 2025 10:49 AM |
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A good question.. I think that no one can beat the map is.. And if you succeed reason/sense means excellent map.. Because some can beat it yet.. When they needed impossible.. But no much players or only in Russia.. Thus Paragon got maximum 1000 rating means 500-1000 players voted Paragon.. Paragon 3,0 is unofficial map, thus map is from vk and different author.. 3,0 fixed earlier bug versions.. Maybe the next is you, if you publish in official sites.. And fine! When impossible map comes true that player updates and adds on difficulty.. Because he/she tests the map until undefeatable.. It after other try well done map..
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