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posted January 03, 2026 10:19 PM |
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Yeah.
Anyway, I think you are mostly pro-US interventionism. There are maybe two situations total where we disagree, and that is about it. I'm assuming you supported Yugoslavia because pretty much all of Western Europe did. They led the charge on it.
With Venezuela it could go either way. At the bare minimum, no reason to feel sorry for Maduro and his sack of **** vassal thugs.
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posted January 03, 2026 11:01 PM |
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And yet, you've written plenty of posts that support Russia's lame rationalizations for invading Ukraine.
Neither of you two are isolationists or pacifists lol. You both strongly support using military interventions. You just accidentally happen to agree with each other on Venezuela is all.
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posted January 03, 2026 11:14 PM |
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Oh, I am not naive, I am aware that resources are not equally distributed by mother nature thus men will have to fight for. To kill each other if necessary.
But.
Regarding Ukraine, you know my position. This war, which wasn't supposed to be a war, would have never started if only US minded its business, not proceed to regime change in Kiev in 2014, then put 12 military bases along Russian border, then invest millions of dollars into Russian opposition via the NED, then ignore all red signals send by Putin and prepare to integrate Ukraine into NATO.
And then, once the war was knocking and going on for one month, send Boris Johnson to push away Zelensky from signing a peace deal which would have been MUCH more profitable than what he will get now - capitulation. Because "Russia was weak and it will collapse in no time".
The people who defeated Napoleon and Hitler would back away because some European midgets agitate their arms and talk loud. Wait for it.
So when I say US is the problem and not the solution, I mean it.
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posted January 03, 2026 11:15 PM |
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WHAT?
No!
I think I made myself clear about Iraq, the current Israel situation, Afghanistan, Vietnam and everything else. Sure, there are borderline cases and intervention can be big or small as well, but STILL.
You think it's happenstance that your ministry of defense is now called minitry of war, by the way?
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posted January 03, 2026 11:41 PM |
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Yeah, USA has slid backwards several decades in various ways.
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posted January 03, 2026 11:45 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Oh, I am not naive, I am aware that resources are not equally distributed by mother nature thus men will have to fight for. To kill each other if necessary.
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Regarding Ukraine, you know my position. This war, which wasn't supposed to be a war, would have never started if only US minded its business, not proceed to regime change in Kiev in 2014, then put 12 military bases along Russian border, then invest millions of dollars into Russian opposition via the NED, then ignore all red signals send by Putin and prepare to integrate Ukraine into NATO.
And then, once the war was knocking and going on for one month, send Boris Johnson to push away Zelensky from signing a peace deal which would have been MUCH more profitable than what he will get now - capitulation. Because "Russia was weak and it will collapse in no time".
The people who defeated Napoleon and Hitler would back away because some European midgets agitate their arms and talk loud. Wait for it.
So when I say US is the problem and not the solution, I mean it.
This makes my head hurt.
Russia WANTS Ukraine, just like it wants the Baltic states. It doesn't view itself as member of the European nation-state community. It views itself as the alternative; a BETTER alternative.
Russia is nothing but a moneysink and a headache for the US. It has been a headache for the past 80+ years. The US was building those bases only out of compulsion. NATO costs money, but an unstable Europe with an unchecked Russia is even worse. It would be a thousand times better if Russia was content with its borders and joined Europe, but I guess being the most resource-rich country on the planet isn't good enough.
Anyway, agree to disagree.
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posted January 04, 2026 01:37 AM |
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Well, you keep saying those are "Russia's lame rationalizations for invading Ukraine". If 1/10 of such actions occurred in the US, let's say Russia or China financing presidential candidates, financing their parties, placing full spy bases on the Rio Grande, training and arming Mexican or Panama military, change their regimes so they become pro-China or Russia, we know what the issue would be : just read Kennedy declaration in 1969, and that was only due to one military base project.
So the bottom is : you guys consider Russians (or anything else) as inferior, you have the right, they don't. It is so simple as that. That's why we have Israel deadly puzzle, Iran, Venezuela and so many others. You put the dog in leash then point him where to pee. Then, from the back of your comfortable couch, arrogantly think you solved their problems ; that's why you have Madeleine Albright saying it was worth killing 500 000 Iraqis children, and on the other side those concerned, the iraqis, answering to polls, only 30% of them think it is better than under Saddam.
In the previous post you claimed Iraq now is doing better, Iraqis say clearly NO. You say Putin wants this or that, Putin always denied. Every time you (I mean, not only you personally, but all the warmongering groups triggered by this ideology) put yourself in the other's shoes then talk for him, while never listening to what they actually say.
I am not here to defend Saddam or whatsoever, I only say forcing a people to take a direction it didn't earn by itself is the shortest way for a fail.
That doesn't work with Russia nor China, times change.
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posted January 04, 2026 01:56 AM |
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Kennedy was dead in 1969.
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posted January 04, 2026 01:59 AM |
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1962 sorry, told from memory, I am no longer young and fresh.
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posted January 04, 2026 03:32 PM |
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@sal:
Look dude, Maduro lost by an overwhelming majority and then simply ignored the legal transition of power. He is a narco terrorist who illegally exports addictive poison. So is his wife. No international laws exists to really do anything about it. We don't live in the Star Trek universe. That means a military power like the US has a choice to either act or not act, and then probably get scolded about it by various world leaders whenever it decides to do something about all of the nonstop bull****. The fact is: the various condemnations are posturing. Nothing more. Only a few countries are legitimately upset that Maduro was taken by the US. The rest are pretending to be upset and release a generic statement saying that sovereign borders need to be respected, blah blah blah. They don't actually care.
Apparently Trump is now saying that Venezuela's elected leader (Machado) isn't fit to run the country, so it looks like you're right about that part. I am not talking about any of that or Trump's ambitions. I am simply saying that Maduro is a thug, his vassals are thugs, and we live in a world where there are no effective international bodies to actually do anything about it.
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posted January 04, 2026 05:19 PM |
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What is a "narco terrorist"? And before you answer, think:
Wiki says under "terrorism":
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Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.
So: What IS a narco terrorist?
Second: What makes Venezuela special? I mean, is Maduro the only political leader whose claim on legal power is tenuous at best?
Isn't it just a case of big thug hitting smaller one?
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posted January 04, 2026 10:30 PM |
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My view is that Venezuela was negotiating with China, which wasn't liked in the USA, so swift action followed.
It's still a half action though, because without effective backing of Venezuela opposition and solving the problem with army and chavez boys, this looks like a pretext to civil war only.
And only Venezuela opposition can legitimate it now, which is the thing which is probably escaping to Mr. Trump attention.
As we speak bombing of Venezuela possibly continues, so any outcome is unclear.
Kidnapping Maduro doesn't solve anything, there's one old French proverb saying that: "Revolution is having many heads."
So this move, doesn't cut it, bringing to Venezuela only plight. And it also violates international law, without doubt.
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posted January 05, 2026 12:13 AM |
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Edited by Blizzard at 00:27, 05 Jan 2026.
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posted January 05, 2026 12:33 AM |
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1) You didn't answer the first question.
2) I already stated that the US action in Venezuela is quite probably due to the oil - in short: greed. It's not about justice or morals
As a sidenote, US corps don't seem all that eager to invest into Venezolan oil, though...
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posted January 05, 2026 12:56 AM |
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We will see where things are in 5 to 10 years. Nobody knows what is going to happen right now, and a year or two is too early.
Roughly seventy percent of Venezuela wanted new leadership, so the will is there. The thing is that people are scared, but they won't be as scared if a new administration is able to get on its feet
Oil gives people salaries and jobs and it can massively help develop a country. I already said on page one that the US has financial motives, or "greed" as you call it, whatever that is supposed to mean. If you want to live in a mud hut, nobody is stopping you.
And yes, Maduro is a narco terrorist. He is screwing literally millions of people out of a better and brighter future.
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posted January 05, 2026 01:48 AM |
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https://youtube.com/shorts/glgwrgRAG7Q?si=QPzuRe_i1kguDxVO
It is funny that not hardly anybody questioned Maduro's status as a narco trafficker until Trump got involved. It really shows where their priorities in life are. Politics over progress I guess.
Fortunately, many people are still willing to cooperate with people that they don't agree with on a large number of things.
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posted January 05, 2026 09:54 AM |
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Lol. So you fall for the propaganda speak that is the term "narco terrorist". Something has a really bad influence on your capacity of independent thought here.
Let's broaden this a bit. Why are you not branding illegal bookies and casino owners as "gambling terrorists"? Pimps as "carnal terrorists"?
And wouldn't the whole country of Canada be a narco-terrorist country for, say, the fine US State of Iowa, since cultivation of marihuana is a felony there, while it's completely legal in Canada?
When will your President brand ABC and others as rogue media and call the late night hosts fake news terrorists or No talent terrorists or some such?
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posted January 05, 2026 05:23 PM |
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Yawn yawn yawn yawn.
Maduro already had a bounty for narco trafficking under Biden/Harris.
To my knowledge, "narco terrorist" is not a legal term. It is a vernacular term to describe a sack of **** like Maduro and his gorgon wife.
Narco = person who illegally deals in the narcotics trade
Terrorist = person who commits violence for theater to achieve political/ideological goals.
Combine the two = narco terrorist.
What would you prefer to call Maduro, since you care so deeply about words?
Was Biden wrong to have a bounty on Maduro?
Do you believe international laws are currently adequate at managing dangerous political heads of state? Do you believe these institutions are reliable?
Do you think the world would be a safer/more prosperous place if economic sanctions were put in place against the USA for kidnapping Maduro?
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posted January 05, 2026 06:31 PM |
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Man, Maduro is starting to speak.. in an American court how are they going to shut him up?
man doesn't think things through
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posted January 05, 2026 06:53 PM |
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@blizz
You are right to think that people having a problem with this has a lot to do with Trump, because Trump is unstable and America under him is unstable. He acts as if he is a third-world dictator himself most of the time, and although the institutional background of your country puts a brake on this at times, he seems to be rapidly undermining them also. If you have some unpredictable egomaniac shooting on the street, you wouldnt feel relieved when he shoots a gangster. And you say drug trafficking? Here, check this out:
"Worth reminding everyone that five weeks ago, Trump pardoned a convicted former President of a "Narco-State"... Maduro just needed to buy some $TRUMP coins."
"Juan Orlando Hernandez, the former President of Honduras, turned his nation into a Narco state. He was convicted by a jury of conspiring to traffic 400 tons of cocaine into the United States. He had witnesses murdered.
He took a $1 million bribe from El Chapo and did deals with the Sinaloa Cartel and MS13.
He was sentenced to 45 years in prison
Trump just pardoned him.
At the same time, he's ordering his military to summarily execute anyone suspected of drug trafficking on sight, and is threatening to wage war on Venezuela because of drug imports.
There has to be something in this for Trump, and one day we will find out what it is. There is no other plausible conclusion." (Carrick Ryan on FB)
Btw, if you have a FB account I suggest adding Carrick Ryan, the guy is an Australian ex-cop who is suprisngly good at writing and hunting down this kind of stuff.
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