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artu
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posted January 06, 2026 07:28 PM |
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Edited by artu at 19:30, 06 Jan 2026.
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Free speech should exclude only viable threats, directly promoting violence against groups and defamation with real life effects. When I say real life effects, if you claim someone steals at work and then they get fired, they should be able to sue you. It should be okay (legal) to call people or a people stupid or disgusting or whatever…
U.S. (Musk’s recent country) is already close to ideal regarding this, when it comes to actually being penalized by the law. Cancel culture, digital lynching etc. are different problems. They are not about jurisdiction of the state, they are about culture and social trends.
When independent studies show that Elon Musk is deliberately AMPLIFYING far-right content (why would someone do that other than ideological approval), on one of the most mainstream digital platforms on Earth regarding social interaction and getting the news, that is something to be alert about. This has nothing to do with objecting to free speech. These people are not freedom fighters and arguing as if they are, really holds no water anymore. Maybe making some posts less visible on a platform that functions like a global public square is not technically censorship and legal. But it serves the same purpose and mentality as censor in this new world of social media: Manipulating information for dominance.
And being rich enough to be able to buy Twitter for such intent and doing that is a very unique situation. “Well, it’s his property” doesnt cut it. It’s like reminding us of owning guns are free when someone has the means to buy nuclear weapons. I’m not suggesting to ban racist speech or whatever, but it’s meaningless to be apologetic about this by mentioning free speech all the time. That is not the issue here.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 06, 2026 07:29 PM |
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That depends how you say it. And WHAT you say. It's not forbidden to point out that Putin way have felt bad about what happened with NATO eastern expansion - but can you spin an excuse out of it that changes the narrative that Russia actually invaded Ukraine?
Likewise, does it make sense to blame "the Jews" in general for what happens in Palestine, when it's basically onlythe government? Imean,"the narrative" doesn't blame all Russians,they mostly blame Putin and the government circle -as it's certainlynot the fault of "the Ukrainians" if Russia or Putin feels threatened.
As I said, general blaming doesn't gain anything. It just riles everyone up.
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CountBezuhoff
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posted January 06, 2026 07:53 PM |
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CountBezuhoff said:
If he invades Venezuela, they'll give it to him next year
The Count
Well, well, well.
I guess I have to start writing his nomination to the Norwegian Nobel Committee.
The Count
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posted January 06, 2026 11:08 PM |
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Edited by Blizzard at 23:26, 06 Jan 2026.
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JollyJoker said:
That depends how you say it. And WHAT you say. It's not forbidden to point out that Putin way have felt bad about what happened with NATO eastern expansion - but can you spin an excuse out of it that changes the narrative that Russia actually invaded Ukraine?
Likewise, does it make sense to blame "the Jews" in general for what happens in Palestine, when it's basically onlythe government? Imean,"the narrative" doesn't blame all Russians,they mostly blame Putin and the government circle -as it's certainlynot the fault of "the Ukrainians" if Russia or Putin feels threatened.
As I said, general blaming doesn't gain anything. It just riles everyone up.
Practically speaking, general blame does have some meaning. If Maduro actually was the president of Venezuela it would make his removal somewhat more difficult.
There is going to be a lot of pressure once the war is over to force at least some form of compensation out of Russia for helping to rebuild Ukraine. Of course, Russia will never pay it directly, but there are other ways to bleed it out of them involuntarily and indirectly, such as using their overseas assets. This is the case with or without Putin and his inner circle running Russia. So yeah, it will impact the average working-class Russian. Not really fair, but it is still less unfair than Ukraine getting nothing at all to get its infrastructure back into shape.
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Salamandre
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posted January 07, 2026 03:46 AM |
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Nope, that will impact Europe. If you steal the money Russia placed in EU banks, everybody else, China, India, Arab and Asian countries, all big guys will remove their assets. If the right to property is no longer respected, they will get they are next.
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posted January 07, 2026 02:22 PM |
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Edited by Blizzard at 17:11, 07 Jan 2026.
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That is a valid point, which is excactly why it hasn't been done, but as I understand it, the interest from those frozen assets is already being used for Ukraine. Belgium is where most of the money is held and they are opposed to it.
It doesn't necessarily mean taking every drop of blood from them, and it doesn't mean everybody is instantly going to pull their assets out. More likely than not, it will happen eventually.
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posted January 07, 2026 05:03 PM |
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Edited by Blizzard at 17:16, 07 Jan 2026.
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It isn't stealing. It is acquisition. Taking my co-workers unguarded ham sandwich is stealing.
You do realize the government has the power to bulldoze your house if it needs to build a railroad there, right? Property is not an absolute right. It is strongly avoided because it creates serious issues when people can no longer trust where to put their money (which means people stop investing and start behaving very cautiously, and the entire economy on a macro level gets seriosuly ****ed), but it can be done.
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Salamandre
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posted January 07, 2026 05:31 PM |
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You play with words. It is illegal, that's all it matters. If there was a shred of legality in this, they would have seized it long time ago. Anyway it is too late, it will backfire : countries outside the EU will stop put money in EU area.
You realize that the 30+ countries which didn't condemn Russia at UN make 75% of the worldwide population. At the authoritarian rhythm we go now, with EU sanctioning right and left for nothing, it is only a matter of time they look after those countries.
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posted January 07, 2026 05:41 PM |
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Edited by Blizzard at 17:43, 07 Jan 2026.
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Does 75% of the world population have 75% of the assets?
"Sanctioning left and right." How many countries is the EU sanctioning?
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Salamandre
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posted January 07, 2026 05:55 PM |
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About 50 regimes. But I was talking about the illegal and out of thin air sanctions, like freezing bank accounts of simple citizens for not conform opinions. It starts this way, then goes larger by applying to countries which voted the wrong way.
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posted January 07, 2026 06:10 PM |
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https://www.sanctionsmap.eu/#/main
It looks like a lot at first glance, but it really isn't. Only a few counties have extensive sanctions. Most all of the sanctions are over very specific things.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 07, 2026 10:43 PM |
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Those masked ICE-deportation-terrorists look more and more like Trump's SA - Hitler's so-called brown-shirts.
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posted January 08, 2026 12:46 AM |
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So we went from no one is allowed to buy their oil
to only the US can purchase your oil, and you can only buy US products with it
how long can the US 'make' them do this 
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