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csarmi
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posted January 12, 2005 10:45 PM |
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Edited By: csarmi on 12 Jan 2005
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Heroes 4 is better. Strategically it's like heroes4 = chess while heroes3 = reversi...
They're not even in the same galaxy!
Anyone who thinks that strategy in h3 comes even close to that of h4's does not know what he is talking about. He either does not know how to play h3 well, or how to play h4 well.
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angelito
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posted January 12, 2005 11:56 PM |
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Or just has a different opinion....
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LordLazy
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posted January 13, 2005 12:17 AM |
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Heroes 4 is better. Strategically it's like heroes4 = chess while heroes3 = reversi...
They're not even in the same galaxy!
Anyone who thinks that strategy in h3 comes even close to that of h4's does not know what he is talking about. He either does not know how to play h3 well, or how to play h4 well.
Then there is many players out there that dont know how to play h3 well...
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sirzapdos
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posted January 13, 2005 12:18 AM |
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I'm with csarmi. With the elimination of chaining, and having heroes being able to fight, and 2 choices for level 2,3 and 4 creaures, H3 strats go right out the window after the Reckoning.
Comparing H2 to H3 is probably more logical.
But while we're on the topic of H4, I may as well say what I think. I do like H3 more, but H4 definitely has its strengths. Having heroes fight is great. I mean, when you can walk around with one hero as your army, and take out 5 hydras, how can you not love it?
Also, the H4 campaigns blow the H3 ones away in terms of storyline and plot. It's like reading a story at the same time.
I now suddenly have the urge to play H4. Too bad it's at home and I won't be home for over half a year.
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guitarguy
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posted January 13, 2005 04:21 AM |
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Having the hero fight alongside the troops definitely throws Heroes 4 off course from the first three titles. It's just not very Heroes-like, pardon the ironic tone. Or perhaps what's more ironic is the fact that the 'Heroes' series was built around the hero being a bystander on the sidelines while the troops did the fighting. Since the Hero can fight now, in addition to wielding skills, artifacts, and skills, it is not unreasonable to say this is a beneficial hands-on effect in the new game. However, the point is that this new feature is basically a drastic departure from the Heroes foundation we've grown up learning and enjoying. That's not to say it's not enjoyable at all, but it's very, very different. Whether these differences make the game any less deserving of the Heroes title...wait...I think I should stop here.
-guitarguy
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csarmi
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posted January 13, 2005 02:02 PM |
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Edited By: csarmi on 13 Jan 2005
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Or just has a different opinion....
Nope, don't get ne wrong, I like heroes 3 too (I know both games very well), but they are simply not in the same league.
Like warlords1 and warlords2 if you see what I mean (though the difference there is not as big as here) - I always loved w1 even after I played w2, but still.
for heroes style:
well, heroes 4, at least (the first here) earns its title:
it's really about heroes of might and magic
you'll need heroes, you'll need might, you'll need magic and those specalize too
also, its heroes, not hero
No superhero strat anymore.
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Zsa
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posted January 13, 2005 03:24 PM |
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I always thought that heroes III is definetly superior to heroes IV when it comes to the gameplay (which is really what matters).
I don't know about that comparison with chess, how is heroes IV more like chess than heroes III?
Also, a lot of people stuck (and still stick) to HIII after H IV was out. I don't mean just a small isolated number, that tells you something about the games.
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csarmi
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posted January 13, 2005 04:10 PM |
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You were wrong then. Heroes 4 is absolutely superior. It's not even questionable. Really.
Why did they leave?
Maybe for the nonexistant AI? Or just because a harder (and deeper) game often less popular?
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angelito
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posted January 13, 2005 04:27 PM |
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.... well, heroes 4, at least (the first here) earns its title:
it's really about heroes of might and magic
you'll need heroes, you'll need might, you'll need magic and those specalize too
also, its heroes, not hero
No superhero strat anymore.
Really?
I only played that game 4 days until i found out it was one of the worst stratgey games iīve ever played (and i played many...), but as far as i remember, u could play it even without a hero in your whole army, only by controlling your units. So it seems the name Heroes of Might and Magic fits more to HOMM3 than to HOMM4.
The developers have implemented some very good features in Homm4, no doubt. But it would have been the best idea (in my opinion) just to implement these small amount of good features into Homm3 and create a new expansion. The heroes advancement is a great idea. Would be very cool in heroes 3, even if the Hero wouldnīt participate in battle though..
The battlefield-form is crap in H4 i think, the lesser creatures per town is also bad.
The thing with the 2 autosaves is also cool (1 before turn, 1 at the end), but i disliked the "caravan"-option.
And about the movement points each creature has....
I see it more like this:
As long, as a creatures travels "with a hero", it doesnīt spend itīs movement points (imagine itīs sitting on carriage drawn by the heroīs horse...), so u are able to chain them into a carriage of another hero aswell....
Just my 2 cents.....donīt like that game...wonīt like it in future....
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csarmi
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posted January 14, 2005 01:11 AM |
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Edited By: csarmi on 13 Jan 2005
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Angelito, since you have no idea about heroes 4, what's the point of discussing?
I feel sorry for you though. Since you seem to enjoy heroes 3 multi, you do not know what you lose. H4 multi is a zillion times better.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted January 14, 2005 01:25 AM |
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Angelito, since you have no idea about heroes 4, what's the point of discussing?
I feel sorry for you though. Since you seem to enjoy heroes 3 multi, you do not know what you lose. H4 multi is a zillion times better.
so thats why heroes3 is more active then heroes4 online then even though its many many years older? 
oh no wait.. im sure they havent realised that heroes4 is better either right?
lol.. bend over, bend over reeeal good
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csarmi
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posted January 14, 2005 02:29 AM |
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None of your (not only yours) arguments are valid. Case closed from my side.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted January 14, 2005 02:47 AM |
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off course it isnt, luckily basically each and every post of yours so far has said "youre wrong - im right" without even trying to back your boring claims up so i guess those are valid then?
As for validating my claims, just look at the TOH site.
Now please go and be boring some place else talking about HIV crap
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sirzapdos
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posted January 14, 2005 05:01 AM |
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Sorry to interrupt, but I just remembered something about H4: It has AWESOME music.
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csarmi
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posted January 14, 2005 11:41 AM |
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Edited By: csarmi on 14 Jan 2005
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What the **** should I base my claims on, SteveNoob?
You do not know heroes 4, that's transparent. Neither Angelito or most here who say heroes 3 comes close to heroes 4. I know both games very well, especially from the multiplayer side. I can safely say I am an expert in both.
Now I do claim that heroes 4 is much deeper, especially strategically.
You can't argue with that, since you do not know heroes4 (btw you do not even know how much ppl plays heroes 4 and how much plays heroes 3 and it DOES NOT matter, I bet more people minehunter or black cat (how is it called when you should not take the queen of spade?) than bridge; so what? this example is relevant anyways, there is about so much difference in deepness and strategy between heroes 4 and 3).
You can say that you like heroes 3 more. You can say it is more of your taste. That is your opinion, I respect it. But heroes 4 being deeper and more strategical is a fact. Regardless of your taste.
Thoughts on why heroes 4 did not become so popular:
The game came out incomplete with stupid bugs and some unbalancedness.
It is much harder to play it well. Even harder to master it. There are a lot of levels in heroes 4. Not just noobs and vets :-)
At the first levels it's challenging, then comes a part when you can think you know everything (noob part) and it becomes boring (superhero state). Then you try multi and if you meet good opponents you'll see how to play it...
The AI sux so you simply cannot play against the computer. I have quit it cause of that. I got internet later and tried this story then again...
The game is much more complex. The more complex a game is, the less people will play it, will understand it.
The multiplayer games ARE longer. At least twice as long, maybe even more. That has some evident consequences (like you have to multiply the number of heroes 4 games played by 3 and such as that people with less time on hand cannot really play it).
There are a lot more valid strategies, a big variety in that and a lot less "cheating the game" method (like chaining in heroes 3). I am sure that DOES make a lot of people reconsider. Players just LOVE to use those dirty tricks. I personally know of a lot of people who does play for that pleasure.
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tigris
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posted January 14, 2005 12:22 PM |
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It's nice to see you coming back with valid arguments and a healthy attitude,csarmi!
Personally i'm not a big h4 fan although i played the game more than once...or twice . The thing is that IMHO it's very different from H3 both in terms of tactics but in realisation too! I guess me and maybe others too expected H4 to be on the same platform as H3 and instead got something more similar with disciples.
I agree that in order to compare two things you have to be familiar with them both,but i think that this thread isn't a matter of judging, but a matter of taste as Angelito put it.Everyone is entitled to have an opinion!
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Danos
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posted January 14, 2005 11:02 PM |
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I've been playing Heroes 3 for about five years and first time I saw the game was in a sort of internet cafe.I didn't know much about computing at that time.When I first saw the game, I said:'Yuk, I don't like it, I don't wanna play and I don't understand a thing from it'But I learned it (the basics) soon and ,because at that time I had no computer at home I would make paper replicas of buildings and units from H3(you may laugh for this reason) because I liked the game after all.And since then I've been playing the game with great pleasure.More after I got my PC.I also know to play H4(somehow) and H2(it's too easy), but H3 is my speciallity.Even today I don't think that it has becomed old-fashioned.Gold games will always be good games.
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Shenjairo
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posted January 15, 2005 12:41 AM |
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The site ate my post because I wasn't logged in, but the main points were:
Pros
H4 has some nice things, I like the graphics, music, story in campaigns, caravans and the flagging of windmills (I despise having to visit every creature dwelling and windmill every week in h3).
H4 has a vast amount of extra things to do in combat, so battles are more strategic.
Cons
DD Magic is too weak, Hypnotize is way overpowered. Too hard to count hexes in battle. Teleport kinda overpowered too for soloing heroes. Shoot something with your slow/bind/stun/whatever arrows over and over until it comes too close, then teleport it to the back and repeat. Can't count the number of times I've done that with Solmyr in the campaign and that gets old quick. Some magic item combos are overpowered too. While it's good the underdog can win, I don't really think a 35 ranger should be able to win vs the 67 archmagi and the barbarian might hero shouldn't be able to defeat 76 bone dragons without the use of both magic and potions.
The level system sucks, after 30ish the only way to level up really is through the trees of knowledge. And since you need about level 60 to max everything out it again gets old to hardly ever see someone get that high, and certainly not in multiplayer games. Didn't play a lot of multiplayer, but I don't think anyone reached 25 even on XL.
I like both games, but play H3 much more. It takes less time and I don't tire as fast of it. Seen a bit too many heroes end up roughly the same way and it's just a chore to finish a map you've already won.
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csarmi
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posted January 15, 2005 01:50 AM |
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Hypnotize is a LoS spell now. Not overpowered at all, not even a good level 5 spell (steal all better for example). Direct damage spells are not weak. It is heroes. You cannot max out your hero, that's the point. The good playing involves using specialized heroes.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted January 15, 2005 05:20 AM |
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so basically..
what you present csno00b.. is some bla bla bla
followed with some interesting..bla bla bla
and you off course finshis it off with some..bla bla bla
and as usual... any sign of reasoning or argumenting shines with it lack of interest
*yawn*
facts are csarmi, that you are just boring. hate to make you realise that but.. its just the case really.
You are arguementing for a lost cause for people who has realised things better than you.
And if you are to make some kind of self explained "heroes3" expert of yours.. than thats your loss. Because ive seen plenty enough of post of yours to realise that youre a heroes 3 n00b really.. or wannabe if you wanna put it like that.
Really.. if you wanna make yourself show as an expert than atlest give some proof to be one.
As for now youre just a n00b making yourself as a self proclaimed "expert".. which is boring really.
first get to know the game.. then give your response to issues like this please.
and please, stop being boring while your at it.
thnx.
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