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bjorn190
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
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posted October 25, 2002 10:28 PM |
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But with your rational thinking here Bjorn.. next I will hear you saying that If you play a game with 2 computer players and you beat both computer players and your opponent that you deserve 3 wins lol.... or I beat 3 Stacks of Titans and 3 Groups of BlackDragons so I should get X amount of extra wins lol.
<< I think everyone knows that youre just being ridiculous here 
The bottom line is when you enter a game, you as a player can ONLY post 1 win or 1 loss for that game. SO I dont care how ya want to formulate it. But you should NEVER beable to gain 2 wins or 2 losses etc from 1 game.
<<< I agree. That doesnt happen if you report loss to the one that beats you, wich I think would be the best. BUT my opinion is that you should be able to get more than 1 win, but only 1 loss. Because you can win once for every human opponent, but only lose once.
Peace & try and play fair and by the rules.
<< We can logically extract from this statement that playing fair isnīt the same thing as playing by the rules. It seldom is
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japjer
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 25, 2002 10:46 PM |
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tx for all the responses
it seems reporting 3-ways never has been simple, and ofcourse both sides have good arguments. though i think most people will prefer a loss over a game not registered. the 2nd place (probably the most offensive/brave one) will never get what he deserves.
i'd rather have 1 player report 2 games than 1 reporting none, that's the same issue. how can you say it's fair to don't report, when you say it isn't when you report twice? both ways, you don't get the correct outcome.
i suppose you would just have to choose one, and for a 3-way, i think it would be fairest to get one report extra than one report less, especcially looking at the length of a game compared to a simple 1v1.
i will ofcourse report the way it says in the rules, but i would like a better way to be found.
i'd rather have a loss than no game at all, that's what ToH (for me) is about primarily, getting something for the game you played, wether that's a loss or a win, it gets archived.
someone who beats both opponents deserves 2 wins.
the 2nd deserves to get proof that he played the game.
i like the idea of seperate 3-way reporting, but realise that would cost too much.
maybe a 2nd place button? not alot of points will be gained anyway, so maybe you can set 2nd place below prestige on the user-info-screen (just thinking up stuff)?
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sos
Known Hero
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posted October 25, 2002 10:48 PM |
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this topic was discussed last season and I agree with midnight and other vets who advocated that 3 way ffa games should be reported 1 report per kill. I dont know if it's against rules or not, but I do know that this way of reporting has been used in the last seasons. Some arguments.
1. the time that it takes to finish a 3 way game is at least twice the time to finish 1 on 1. Therefore, the argument that someone can use 3 ffa games to rack up points is null and void.
2. it is much more interesting like this. Lets compare:
Even if you go first you still have to hurry, because you want to kill the other two guys; if you are slow, they can meet before you do and you lose a kill. Even if you go second you have a stimul to continue and try to kill the trailing guy and get at least 1 win.
On the other hand if reported only by the first (win) and last (loss) the best guy will more likely kill the other two or the one that beats the other so no rush there. Or the second guy will try to hide and avoid being killed first so he doesnt get a loss.
So I dont see a problem with reporting 2 wins or a win and a loss in a 3 ffa game. It makes more sence than playing for 10+ hours and getting nothing.
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GrandElf
Hired Hero
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posted October 25, 2002 11:23 PM |
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i remember there we a lots of 3way wta games played in past seasons and jinx as i remember once you, frank and me started 3way wta random xl game but we never finish it because of my drop
only prob with that kind of report is, some players were(are or will) using this to get some easy points and there is nothing you can do about it
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KalarMcLeod
Hired Hero
Returned to the north
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posted October 26, 2002 12:35 AM |
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@Jinxer
Summed it up completely correct and logical.
3 ways are difficult to actually beat both other players and the 3rd man in normally cleans up.
2vs2 are more fair and with 1 win or loss for each of the 4 players then everyone gets a result
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chubby051
Promising
Known Hero
King of All That Are Fat
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posted October 26, 2002 01:48 AM |
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@ Hexa
After reading my first post I need to apologize. I am not disappointed in you, just the fact that somebody who has been around here longer than me, didn't know the proper way to report a 3 way ffa. I think TOH needs to make it more clear on the proper ways of reporting these games. Sorry about that.
@ Bjorn
Kinda suprised at your post, but not really. You are a vet and seem to think that the rules shouldn't apply to you. What you think is fair doesn't matter. What is fair to all other members of TOH is following the rules that have been set up.
I think the best way to help this situation out is to put the proper reporting rules for games right on the the win/loss report screen. That way, nobody can use "I didn't know" as an excuse.
Chubbs
(I can't believe Stiven and I agree on something. First time for everything I guess.  )
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ironmlh
Known Hero
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posted October 26, 2002 02:48 AM |
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Simple
3 way reporting is very simple. Overall winner reports win against first player to die. First player to die reports loss to overall winner. 2nd place reports nothing.
Sure, many players have opinions on how `to report to be more fair' but i believe the TOH rules are simple and to the point for this issue.
Just follow the rules. Its not that hard. If you dont like them..well tough
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted October 26, 2002 03:58 AM |
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been the same way since the beginning of time
go visit ToH http://www.toheroes.com/history/old/index.html in its birth, nearly 5? years ago.
Click on the rules & info button on top menu bar, and look at the reporting section. It says 'For a 3 player game, winner gets the win points formula, 2nd place wins/loses nothing, and loser gets losing points formula."
There used to be a 5 point bonus for the 1st place also, but it eventually was removed because it actually became an excuse to abuse the system.
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tewilligar
Famous Hero
Just another willigar
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posted October 26, 2002 08:04 AM |
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ummm
reporting 3 ways are simple......especially if they were both hotties.....just call your friend with the biggest mouth and the whole town will know...trust me
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bobntamr1
Known Hero
non dictionary ownen hero
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posted October 26, 2002 08:30 AM |
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i am not pushing the system i just thought it would be easier...no more no less.
thx for letting me know
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midnight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 26, 2002 08:59 AM |
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dont report ffa at all if u want a good game
I havent reported a ffa on any tourney for about a year.
The 3 player winner/nothing/loser reporting rewards boring play.
Case 1: WEAK
1. if u have a weak army, u hide on the map, making as small a footprint as possible. This way it is more likely that the other 2 players will find each other first, one gets killed and u lose no points. Yes i have seen this done and it screws the game. It is a logical strategy though.
Case 2: STRONG
2. even with a strong army there is no incentive to go for an opponent as u know the 3rd player will still have a full army and will hit u and usually win. Thus whoever moves first will either lose points (if they are killed) or get nothing (if they win first battle but cant win the 2nd with half an army)
So the passive player will either lose nothing or get a win the majority of the time. Whilst the assertive player will lose or get nothing the majority of the time.
very
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boring
but it is the logical strategy to take if u want to get or keep points.
Which is why i agree with hexa's position, though under current toh rules multiple kills cannot be reported, so that is not an option. There is a bias towards M maps on the reporting system cuz u can do 2 or 3 games in the time it takes to do an xl/under random 3 or 4 player ffa. So the idea of rorting the system with multiple kills is ridiculous when u can do battlemania in max 3hrs and get 3 opportunities to win in the same timeframe.
Thus with current toh rules, the only option for a good ffa game, is to play for fun, which is what i do.
When the currency is fun only, the passive player will miss out on most of the fun, but it rewards the assertive player with more fun, even if the 2nd battle is lost.
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japjer
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 26, 2002 09:25 AM |
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I havent reported a ffa on any tourney for about a year.
The 3 player winner/nothing/loser reporting rewards boring play.
Case 1: WEAK
1. if u have a weak army, u hide on the map, making as small a footprint as possible. This way it is more likely that the other 2 players will find each other first, one gets killed and u lose no points. Yes i have seen this done and it screws the game. It is a logical strategy though.
Case 2: STRONG
2. even with a strong army there is no incentive to go for an opponent as u know the 3rd player will still have a full army and will hit u and usually win. Thus whoever moves first will either lose points (if they are killed) or get nothing (if they win first battle but cant win the 2nd with half an army)
So the passive player will either lose nothing or get a win the majority of the time. Whilst the assertive player will lose or get nothing the majority of the time.
very
very
boring
but it is the logical strategy to take if u want to get or keep points.
Which is why i agree with hexa's position, though under current toh rules multiple kills cannot be reported, so that is not an option. There is a bias towards M maps on the reporting system cuz u can do 2 or 3 games in the time it takes to do an xl/under random 3 or 4 player ffa. So the idea of rorting the system with multiple kills is ridiculous when u can do battlemania in max 3hrs and get 3 opportunities to win in the same timeframe.
Thus with current toh rules, the only option for a good ffa game, is to play for fun, which is what i do.
When the currency is fun only, the passive player will miss out on most of the fun, but it rewards the assertive player with more fun, even if the 2nd battle is lost.
that was exactly what i meant, only in better english
i hope there comes a better solution for this than just don't play for ToH, cause i like 3-ways more than 1v1 and it's currently the highest amount of players a game can handle, without the game taking ages (it still takes longer, but it's much easier to get together with 3, than with 4 people)
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