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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted November 29, 2002 10:14 PM |
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External Taverns
...they just ruin each town alignement special reason of existing
i mean,why should i be able to get barbarian(or necromancer) from day4 if i play order or life?
i dont say should be removed,but be accessible at later point in game,like in day 8 or 12,,or, lev3 guards on it,,or both!
c'moon you noobs mapmakers
since you dont play the game let us,players,play it in a decent and fun way
TO MAP COUNCIL:
you should do sumthin bout it NOW!,like edit all maps(should take you like 15min to do all)
or game and its gamers will extinct ,hand in hand with endless transfers
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted November 29, 2002 10:22 PM |
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lol
lol, u always whine about something  , but now seriously, taverns may be the only chance for half of the castles to win ( i.e. nature, chaos ... ) on big and small maps, so they are there for a tactical reason, i mean ... both players have them, so if one loses or wins because of it it's because it is a bad/good strategist and knows hao to take advantage of multiple hero classes, and barb hero seriously lowers your morale, which may cause you to lose the whole battle, as leadership doesn't apply to the most important units in the battle, your heroes !!!
So think about it !
Another fearless leader
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted November 29, 2002 10:24 PM |
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a lot of spelling and grammar mistakes :)
i was in a rush, don't judge me, besides, it's my second language
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted November 29, 2002 10:29 PM |
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show your butt to GS to do our game and dont contradict on me!!wontya?
Mr.Val'halbered'Rica
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted November 29, 2002 10:35 PM |
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or game and its gamers will extinct ,hand in hand with endless transfers
DuM,,DuDuDUUUMM!!
such a tragegy..
insatiable<<<lamer
ps:i still think we should keep towns 'uniqueness' by making external tavers less accesible
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Thunder
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted November 29, 2002 10:35 PM |
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Hah! Do you possess some mind-reading capabilities? I mean, that is just how I have put those taverns into my map! And moreover, players have actually to fight for them.
I'm not a noob map maker. 
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted November 29, 2002 10:38 PM |
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nope ...
actually, insatiable, i can't make it this weekend, don't have heroes where i am right now, i guess sunday night i'll be ready for you, if not, monday !
and u now i'm right, but u jost love snowing and whining
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted November 29, 2002 10:46 PM |
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well,i am a noob mapmaker
but i played some 20+ online games ,before started mapmaking
already sent to map council for rejection
Thunder,you re one of the most knowledgeable and 'careforgame' dudes around,,how come your maps not in ToHpage?..it's A CoNsPiRaCYY!
Laelth sold his soul to do dunwold and afterflood 'pallettes'..but..he forgot to put a map in them
JB..*bows*
nicy,decent maps,but still havent played much neither around to update
and...some maps by various made like in year 2OOOBMP(Before MultiPlayer)..thumbs up to Camel for 'shallow' (i was obliged to a positive comment)
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bobntamr1
Known Hero
non dictionary ownen hero
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posted November 30, 2002 12:35 AM |
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my 2 cents...
uggghhh...we are all doing our best. If you dont like the taverns .. dont play them. No offence intended there just a fact some people do like them ... myself included. I have played a few games, and the starting town heroes are always tougher than anything you can hire (end result)
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EvilLoynis
Famous Hero
The Dark Shadow
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posted November 30, 2002 04:30 PM |
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The only reason I think Taverns are sometimes cheap is yes they give the Chaos and Nature town the ability to get lords. This is the only possible reason I can see for people not liking them. The other 4 towns you can get them right in your own tavern.
As for getting a lord for the Preserve town, I have to say that is just going to be overdoing it with creatures. They will probally run out of money.
And the Asylum town was not given acess to them, I think, to keep the Black Dragon population under control.
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japjer
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 30, 2002 06:02 PM |
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what about barbs for order and death? taverns are a part of the game, but a barb can kill almost an entire army and after that there is still the entire order/death army! lack of barbs is one of the reasons that necromancy and order magic are so strong and it's the strongest part of the stronghold. so now you can get the best of stronghold AND academy by day 3???
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bobntamr1
Known Hero
non dictionary ownen hero
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posted November 30, 2002 06:16 PM |
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if you would rather have a barb than GM necro be my guest... not much can be said...here I think you are all right to an extent, but it is no different than someone saying no 4th lv heroes but tazar is ok (HOMM3) lol
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted November 30, 2002 06:25 PM |
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GM necromancy
already being eliminated by majority of players,by rules
GM barbency..is might town's weapon,for NOT having magic
IF a town is able to produce a Master magician and GM barbarian,,we will be facing barbency's extiction,by rules, along with necromancy.Some alrdy started the no 'barb' thing
BUT,still,
i have to agree with bobntamr1 and just let things be and players decide in each fight wich rules or no rules to choose..
..play 'No Mino blocking ability rule' see if i care
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted November 30, 2002 06:52 PM |
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I have to agree with INsatiable here. After getting my butt handed to me many times by my buddy DocFritch. I have discovered that everygame now I will develop an Archer or Barb from start no matter what alignment I am. Almost every game I play Doc, he runs the entire map with only his Barb. He never even takes his army outta castle. And when a Barb can do almost 500 melee damage, it seems silly to make any other heroes. Sure if the map is big enough to deveop more than one hero then yes make a magician also... but I personally think that Heroes 4 was made so each town was UNIQUE. There towns balance is based on the uniqueness of the heroes and available skills.
So if every town can get any hero then you take away an inportant aspect of the game.
It is just a shame that 3do cant think of these details when making the game. WE have always had to make player made rules to help balance the game. Even in H3 there were certain aspects of the game that needed balanced.
Anyways, I dont think this subject is anything bad enough to be ruffling feathers but I did atleast want to acknowledge that I agreed with Insatiable. =)
H4 has many more positive things about it then it does negative so I still love it !
Jinxer
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EvilLoynis
Famous Hero
The Dark Shadow
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posted November 30, 2002 07:04 PM |
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How would we know how to make things better if there was nothing ever wrong? We would all take it for granted and that would devalue it.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted November 30, 2002 08:13 PM |
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ive played barbies
Yes, its the pattern now for everyone to fire up a barbarian type hero and run amok. But i kill them all with overwhelming creature volume and a slap of magic on the head (and some tactics skill to make it all happen better).
Going for money in treasure chests instead of xp....
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Thunder
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted November 30, 2002 10:52 PM |
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General
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 03, 2002 11:34 PM |
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I want to agree with insatiable too.I think that there is a reason that there are no taverns outside your town in the maps 3DO created.it is easy to understand how unfair the subject is,from the fact that everyone prefers to take a brb instead of someone else.The problem starts by the immortality.I once had a whole army to hit the brb,and anytime he died,he drunk an immortality.The only way to kill a lvl 12 brb is to have your whole army to shoot him.But this is difficult because if he is alone he can retreat,and when he has his army with him,then his army is let free to launch their attack.
The problem really bothers me enough with the clan wars.2 of the clans take a halberd for a start.With the halberd the brb becomes unbeattable.He has no retaliation,he have 25 more melee.I am respecting their clan bonus,but i see no way to beat them in the clan war.I tried and lost(not only for that,just that was something that made my chances very bad).I dont want to force a rule,I just want to lose because I am worse than than my opponent and not because he had such an advantage over me from the start.
Besides the alighments that cant have a brb or an archer is death and order.Both of that races have overwhelming spells and spellcasters(for order)
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted December 04, 2002 03:08 AM |
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..but i see no way to beat them in the clan war
..he didnt mean that..halbered is just an artif,,having 20% possibilty of anyone having it..metalurgy just have it 100%..thats why they call it a 'bonus' anyway
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Besides the alighments that cant have a brb or an archer is death and order.Both of that races have overwhelming spells and spellcasters(for order)
that one ,no man can disagree to...noob maps and transfers,,will they ever fix?
PS:revenge is sweeter when it takes time to come,my dear arhenemies
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Laelth
Famous Hero
Laelth rhymes with stealth.
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posted December 04, 2002 03:26 AM |
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speaking of external taverns, Insatiable. I usually don't have any in my maps, but I made sure to put one in my latest map ... just for you.
-Laelth
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