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Heroes Community > Tournament of Honor > Thread: TAZAR vs HACK
Thread: TAZAR vs HACK This thread is 4 pages long: 1 2 3 4 · «PREV
ebonheart
ebonheart


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Rush the rush
posted June 30, 2015 12:40 PM

adriancat said:
I can certainly tell you that Tazar > Crag Hack. I don't know why, but Armorer heroes are always tougher than Offense heroes


Crag Hack > Tazar any day.
Even if Tazar would be better at a very high level end battle wise, it is from my experience preferable to have a higher offense than defense when clearing the map and so allows for faster expansion. Let us not also forget the Barbarian skill system which usually goes in your favor, giving you the goodies you desire.

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dredknight
dredknight


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posted July 05, 2015 01:29 PM
Edited by dredknight at 13:54, 05 Jul 2015.

ebonheart said:
adriancat said:
I can certainly tell you that Tazar > Crag Hack. I don't know why, but Armorer heroes are always tougher than Offense heroes


Crag Hack > Tazar any day.
Even if Tazar would be better at a very high level end battle wise, it is from my experience preferable to have a higher offense than defense when clearing the map and so allows for faster expansion. Let us not also forget the Barbarian skill system which usually goes in your favor, giving you the goodies you desire.


+1

offense > defense any day and this comes from a person who loves to play defense heroes!

The main idea you should hold is the following.

- Having greater offense helps you kill the enemy faster!
- the faster you kill the enemy the less damage your troops will suffer.

- Having greater defense reduces the damage troops receive.
- the slower you kill your enemies the more times they will have the chance to deal damage to your troops.

Basically playing with defensive races is harder.
I cannot neglect the fact that at late stages of the game having a lot of defense really really has its benefits too:
- keeping your units in big numbers. Because of high defense you suffer small to none casualties even in big PvE battles against tier 7!
- greatly improving efficiency of spells like resurrection and sacrifice.
- defensive faction benefit from more special abilities which potential stays relevant the whole game
Some examples:
   H3: fortress - Gorgon - death stare, Hydra 6-hex-attack, basilisk petrification.
   H5: fortress - Runes, Thanes special attacks, Rune priests cross attack, dragons return damage ability, berserkers bash ability, harpooners snare ability, bears - fear and bash.

The more defensive the race the better abilities it has. I dont know if this is made by purpose from the creators but to me it makes sense.

If I have to sum it up:
- offensive heroes have better early game.
- defensive heroes have better late game.
- offensive heroes are easier to play and hold the edge in a PvP game.
- defensive heroes require extra thinking and are harder to play, they suffer in PvP because they get to the treasure areas later than the offensive heroes.

It is the same in H3 and H5.

P.S.
In H3 magic heroes are worthless even if you use the world tournament mod improvements.


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morgan_le_fey
morgan_le_fey


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posted August 12, 2015 09:08 AM

soly with the lightning blast was my favorite. soly wasnt on the front of the box for nothing you know. i also like caitlyn. 500+ gold and intelligence. very nice combo. i never played necro much but when i did i went with clavius because he served willingly and well.
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Anil
Anil


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posted April 26, 2016 05:45 PM

I watched a lot of tazar vs hack matches. I myself tested. Tazar is better hero %100. Because hack is very need mass haste spell for rush to one tazar's unit. But tazar no need magic for own army. Also tazar can disrupt to hack's mass haste spell with mass slow. Also Rush to one unit tactics is useless against Tazar because armorer sipeciality always useful. But attack specialty is useless when tazar rush to one hack's unit. Because you have only one retaliation. In next rounds, hack's army are vulnerable.
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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted April 26, 2016 05:54 PM

Very simplistic approach, let me guess, you gave equal army, skills and spells for your test?

Tazar needs magic to level up, just by staying up and taking hits he doesn't become better. Then since the levelling process is killing before being hit, Hack will do it much better. Then for final battle, it depends on too many variables to give always same definitive ranking.

Both are crazy OP heroes and should be removed from tournaments. It is too unfair to ALL others, this is a matter of having % a lot more by simple luck, getting the best heroes in tavern day 1.

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Ebonheart
Ebonheart


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Rush the rush
posted April 29, 2016 10:10 PM

Salamandre said:
Both are crazy OP heroes and should be removed from tournaments. It is too unfair to ALL others, this is a matter of having % a lot more by simple luck, getting the best heroes in tavern day 1.

Crazy OP is putting it mildly. They are gamebreakers and it has always puzzled me that logistic heroes have been banned but never really the 5 characters with the greatest impact on end battles (crag, taz, mep, neela and gund). While logistic heroes are also extremely powerful I find them somewhat annoying to use as in many cases, they tend to outrun the other chainers.

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madmartigan
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posted June 11, 2016 07:48 PM

I honestly do not know what to think about the fact that this community still couldn't decide whether hack or tazar is better. All I want to point out is the calendar. It is 2016, guys !!!

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted June 11, 2016 07:52 PM

Yep, and H7 is out, additional reason to return and discuss better games. As H3.
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madmartigan
madmartigan


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posted June 11, 2016 07:59 PM

Fallout 4 - survival mode is taking all my time recently. I guess I need some more time before I start feeding the cherrypoppers
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OldLich
OldLich


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posted June 11, 2016 08:00 PM

Can't expect people to rationally conclude that hack or tazar is better because when things get close or even, they tend to rely in their personal taste rather than in hardcore analysis.

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Ebonheart
Ebonheart


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Rush the rush
posted June 11, 2016 09:51 PM

OldLich said:
Can't expect people to rationally conclude that hack or tazar is better because when things get close or even, they tend to rely in their personal taste rather than in hardcore analysis.

Here's the hardcore analysis: Crag Hack will always be better due to the core game mechanics vs the map and Tazar will only knock Crag Hack off his throne at a percent ratio, which will never happens unless you plan to play a game that needs to last a couple of years to give the xp needed to ding that many levels.

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