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Heroes Community > Tournament of Honor > Thread: SPLEXX IS A CHEATER!!!!!!!!!!!
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splexx
splexx


Known Hero
posted December 23, 2002 04:50 AM
Edited By: splexx on 22 Dec 2002

SPLEXX IS A CHEATER!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, here's the scoop

About 8 month's ago..Season 4..

Picture it:

ToH Noob 2002

I played a cool dude..he is now an Honour Council member..
We agreed on a "Native hero" style game..

Not the kinda Native game Xarfag plays

A real native game..and my opp says can we use the "no army thing"..I say WTF is that..

So he shows me..and I think since this bud is doin it ...
then its a cool new bug(tactic) I dun know about...

So, I start to use it a few games with Terry, Des, Ed III, etc..

Now I agree to have another cool game with Xarfag(he used to like easy pts.)...
And I'm playin along with my ghost heroes...lalala
and I meet one of Xarfag's scouts thru a one way portal..he attacks an says WTF..

I...like the noob i was..say..s up
He calls me cheater..quits..then repeats on Zone..

Them's the Facts!!!



So what y'all think?


OH..btw..I never used it since


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rychenroller
rychenroller


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted December 23, 2002 06:08 AM

He is right.

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tewilligar
tewilligar


Famous Hero
Just another willigar
posted December 23, 2002 08:34 AM
Edited By: tewilligar on 23 Dec 2002

that be me

Sadly,I taught Splexx,and others that trick.However,I knew nothing of it being considered a cheat. When i found out that many players frowned upon this,I quit using them.I think that there are possibly a few others out there that know about this bug but are unaware of the fact many frown upon it,I was one of those people at one time .

Anyways,if we are to make an official rule about no ghost heroes,it should be posted in the rules.Just my opinion.

P.S. I just looked at rules page,seems to indicate they are allowed...
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chubby051
chubby051


Promising
Known Hero
King of All That Are Fat
posted December 23, 2002 11:51 AM
Edited By: chubby051 on 23 Dec 2002

Splexx_BG & Tewillingar_BG????? :P

Is that a cheat?  I think not.  I DO think it is pretty damn hypocritical for somebody to call you a cheater for using the ghost hero bug when they themselves made an entire post on Frank's Homm Tactics thread about how to take advantage of the castle bug.  LOL.  Which even makes it worse was he excused you of cheating by using a bug over a year ago, yet this post he made about how he uses a bug to HIS advantage was made only a couple weeks ago.  LOOOOOOOOOOL.

You don't see the castle bug on the rules page so I don't see the reason for putting the ghost hero bug on there either.  Some people don't like to use the ghost bug, some people do like it.  Everybody makes rules now-a-days to keep the things they don't like out of games.  I just suggest asking about it before the games starts and decide if you agree to use it or not.  Just like any other rules.  IMO

For those who wish to toss me for this:  No I have never used it, i don't even know how to do it.  Mocara was suppose to show me, but before he got the chance too, he retired.  LOL
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oris
oris

Tavern Dweller
posted December 23, 2002 11:57 AM

Splexx cheats but Tewilligar cheats more, he used that trick constantly.
Ban Tew he is the ghost hero COMMANDER.

Oh wait he is from the houner council.

Joking man you dont cheat.
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bjorn190
bjorn190


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
posted December 23, 2002 12:30 PM

Itīs a bug, not a cheat. Ppl use the castle bug so why not use the ghost hero?

btw I know how to do it but I dont use it.

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Andiangelsla...
Andiangelslayer


Disgraceful
Famous Hero
posted December 23, 2002 01:16 PM

This is not a bug - this is considered a cheat.

But you are right its not on page yet but that we will change pretty soon - good thing it is mentioned, this will be made a official cheat soon 100%.

And how come the guys that use it by "mistake" didnt mention that they do?
Everyone would have told em its cheating...

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dEth8
dEth8


Promising
Known Hero
posted December 23, 2002 02:38 PM

view castle is cheat too

I do consider the empty hero a bug.  I do consider it cheating to use bugs unless my opponent agrees we can use bugs.  

It is easy to see how players could think using the empty hero bug is ok since so many people use viewing castle bug and try to say they are not cheating with it.

Empyt hero bugs are not penalized really because it is so easy to see and catch.  If the bugs aren't agree upon then a dispute can easily arise.  Usually the game is dismissed if they go to the honor council on a first offense, and players learn to be more courteous about bug usage. Players should discuss any bugs they use to avoid conflicts, otherwise bug usuage is basically cheating.  

Most people use the "view other players castle" bug.........which most people seem to do without thinking that is cheating.  It gives you information the game shouldn't and that is cheating.  Just cause everyone does it most people accept it.  Biggest reason most accept is because if people want to be dishonest and lie they just say they are not viewing.

It's Verrry ironic if anyone would view someone elses castle and then accuse someone else of cheating for using a bug.

If a player is going to use a bug to view my castle, then I guess I should use some other bugs to my advantage too.  No??????

Anyhow, bottom line for me personally, I don't like to have bugs used in my games and I consider anyone using a bug to be cheap.  I consider it dishonorable if a player would use a bug without telling me that they plan to use bugs in the game so I can put myself on the same playing field.

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Sir_Stiven
Sir_Stiven


Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
posted December 23, 2002 03:52 PM

As said, i think one of the biggest reasons for one being conciderd cheating and the other not is the fact that one is easily detected...the other one isnt so only way is to accept it.

Call me a hypocrite but i think this too, hero bug is cheating while town bug isnt. Just the way i was taught this game i guess =)

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SapphireRavyn
SapphireRavyn


Promising
Famous Hero
Bird of Extreme Patience
posted December 23, 2002 06:05 PM

I'm asking for it here.

OK, I am going to show just how stupid I am here. First of all I didn't even know there was a way to have a ghost hero, actually I still have NO idea how to do it and don't need or want to.

The view castle thing, I didn't even realize was a bug. Now, I know I know, you are all wondering "well what did you think it was?". Well, to be honest I thought it was a deliberate quirky part of the game. Something that 3DO had deliberately put in (not the first time they did something I would consider stupid). I was taught how to do it by a long time veteran. I will not mention who, but he did not teach it to me so I could use. He taught me it because I had a bad habit of garrisoning my castle defenders and he didn't want me giving away the contents of my army. He was and is a wonderful teacher and was trying to keep me, the newbie, from being taken advantage of. However, I have never really used it myself for a couple of reasons.

1- I don't feel the need to know the contents of my opponents army and don't think it's really very fair to go snooping.

2- I don't like the idea of someone else peeking at me.

3- There is sometimes a funky little bug in that area that can crash your game, I've had it happen to me a couple of times just for looking at my own stuff during my opponents turn (trying to figure out what I will build next and what I need to do it).

The only thing I would find the castle "bug" useful for would possibly be to find out what city type my opponent has and for the most part you can do that by looking at the beginning options or in your tavern.

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bjorn190
bjorn190


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
posted December 23, 2002 06:16 PM

In theory, they both are cheats.
In reality, ghost hero is a cheat, and castle view is not.
Thats how most ppl play, so thatīs what u can assume is considered ok.

Theres another bug too I think that allowes you to view the opponents hero, stats, army, artifacts and spells, but I guess only bulgarians and some others might consider using that one. I donīt know how to do it.


So this ghost hero thing, yeah.. its pretty sucky, but Toh page fails to inform that it is a cheat. Toh page should change to list it as a cheat. Then there wouldnīt be any unsolved disputes about it. Also, players deserve to know what is cheating and what is not. Otherwise its unfair.


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SapphireRavyn
SapphireRavyn


Promising
Famous Hero
Bird of Extreme Patience
posted December 23, 2002 06:31 PM

You make a very good point bjorn, the rule page DOES need to be changed. Right now the page that is linked through the "General Rules & Info" link is the same as on Heroes 4 side of ToH and is the one made by Ves. He intends to change the page to be more "Heroes 4" specific. We will need to make a page that is more "Heroes 3" specific. The problem I have is that I am not entirely sure that I know everything that will need to go on there. Another thing is that although some things definitely need to go on. There is another whole list of "rules" that are player specific and the Honor Council does not deal with those. If someone could make me a list of what does need to go on there I could probably get the page made up during my holiday vacation time (hint, hint)

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Andiangelsla...
Andiangelslayer


Disgraceful
Famous Hero
posted December 23, 2002 06:52 PM

viewing enemies castle is NO cheat - everyone does it alrdy, and you could never know your opponent does it...how can this be a cheat?

The empty hero thing is a clear cheat - and that needs to be written on rules, better main page too imo so everyone hears of it.

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Destro23
Destro23


Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
posted December 23, 2002 07:44 PM

Its my opinion that the ghost hero bug is not as bad as players think..
I think its very bad for toh type maps, but in random, its not soo bad. This is not to say I do, have, or ever had used it.  Only in maybe 2 or 3 games in which I was asked if it was allowed.

I've done some tests with it, and my results showed..

A ghost hero moves as though he had a speed 9 grass based unit on him.. On a random map therefore, you will suffer major terrain penalty with this bug.

Secondly.. If your a good player, you will only ever really have a ghost or multiple ghosts heroes for 3-4 days while your scouts are about searching.. Sure you can do it again later.. but whos gonna walk all those heroes back to town to ghost em?  Cause of course that ghst becomes really as soon as he gets a unit on him. Chaining included.

The one thing I do not like about the ghost hero bug is the misinformed tavern information.. For instance on a random map.. if I am doing "not so well" and have 5 heroes week 2, but my opponent has 7 with 3 or more ghosts.. I am going to be ahead of him in tavern screen.. I always find # of heroes is a great indication of what is or is not going on in first weeks.

Anyway I certainly do not think players should just use that bug all the time whenever they feel like it. But if its mutually agreed upon I see no problem with it. I don't find the player using it has enough of an edge from it for it to be considered a cheat.  

Just my opinion..

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insatiable
insatiable


Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
posted December 23, 2002 08:54 PM

iggnorance..

Quote:
ghost hero bug..
..like stealth in homm4 or sumthin..?
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Nebuka
Nebuka


Promising
Supreme Hero
Save me Jebus!
posted December 23, 2002 11:56 PM

Splexx, are you still a newbie?
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chubby051
chubby051


Promising
Known Hero
King of All That Are Fat
posted December 24, 2002 12:09 AM

Guess I am not real sure what to think about it yet

Well, after reading all of this I got curious on exactly how effective this ghost bug thing really was.  Nobody had told me in the past how to do this, so after about 15 min of messing around, I figured out how to do it.  15 MINUTES!!!

How unknown can this bug possibly be?  I am not accusing anybody here of telling a lie, but honestly, do you really think that knowledge of this bug is few and far between amoung players?

I haven't had a chance to play around with in much but I am still not convinced that a ghost hero is that much of a advantage.  But then again, i am not exactly a good player, so what would I know anyways. LOL  I just think this is getting a little blown out of proportion.
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chubby051
chubby051


Promising
Known Hero
King of All That Are Fat
posted December 24, 2002 12:20 AM

One more question

This might belong in a different thread but,

Since MaH became a part of TOH, and Kitten had to fight for a long time to get this through peoples heads, why all of the sudden now, that Ves is tied up with H4, is it ok to start adding rules to the tourny?  Last I checked, TOH, which includes MaH, was a no rules league.  
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Mad_Unicorn
Mad_Unicorn


Famous Hero
I am a mean person shame on me
posted December 24, 2002 12:29 AM

I dunno .....

Castle view "bug" is not as important as ghost hero bug... simply because in my years of experience on "toh" based maps logistics is the key to winning and having 3-4 "ghost" heroes while ur opponent doesn't know how do it or didn't think of it... kinda of an unfair advantage where as knowing what castle type/army in a castle which hardly matters unless its a open small map and u can sneak by him and take the castle undefended not a major issue.

This game is based on logistics and how well you manage your movement. (well not so much if u play newbies who dont buy more than 3 heroes max) but against a veteran i notice it comes down to how much you and how fast you do it will when u the game.

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madmartigan
madmartigan


Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
posted December 24, 2002 01:22 PM

methinks making use of "bug"s is cheating. Ghost hero or castle view, it matters not.

The difference is you can get caught in one and you cant get caught in another.

Furtherworse, there is another bug which allows you to view your opponent's hero/s . Skills, spells, troops. And it is impossible to detect this either. If you think that making use of a bug is not cheating, you surely are not aware of all of the bugs.
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