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ugene_de_mue...
Adventuring Hero
Romanii ca brazii
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posted July 12, 2001 02:50 AM |
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Edited By: deth8 on 12 Jul 2001
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About the fake reports again...
To dEth8 :
No, I wasn't thinking at something like the Hall of Shame...but I was too tired when I wrote that reply and I had problams with expressing myself even in my own language 
Some time ago I played a player called (player name delted) on a random medium. I saw his town in the first day but he wanted to continue so in week 2, day1 he attacked my hero. I beat him and he conceded...but did not report loss...In the next day I saw that he had many "unreported loses". I would not have played him if I knew that. Perhaps a player profile should contain wins/losses/unreports
To Cheesus :
Both players would have to send the last saves. What do you think?
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted July 12, 2001 05:21 AM |
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RE: Payment
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Here is a suggestion
What about those who pay a fee start on a slightly higher rank than those who don't pay. I mean that way it could be up to the individual to decide.
Again, I must remind all that to add another ranking set will only add confusion and more work. The $5 people usually cannot pay, because lack of access to credit cards and such, and would be more work than its worth for $5.
8 rank levels is a good standard, and its an overall TOH status, remember that all the gaming goodness in TOH lies not just in its main ranking, but in divisions, clans and all its subtournaments.
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pluvious
Promising
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 12, 2001 07:20 AM |
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What about what Ugene said about unreported loses & not finishing games because you know you are going to lose? Isn't there a way to document these people? Personally I'd rather play a cheater than someone who was going to start a game and not finish it. YOu get to the exciting part and then they tell you they have to go or just drop. Just as bad as cheating in my opinion.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted July 12, 2001 07:27 AM |
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unreporters
The automation for homm4 TOH is advanced enough that not only does it email the player who is not reporting their game, there will be 'stats' on the player who has not reported for players to check out. So a player with not reporting games in pattern will show on their record.
Besides that anyways, players who tend to not report their games players can dispute them, and to an extreme they get booted or heavily penalized.
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Darxion
Adventuring Hero
For The Honor......
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posted July 12, 2001 08:34 PM |
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Scores and more....
I think the ranks are fine, but I would like to see a change in the way a score is calculated. I believe we need to include some form of "bonus", win or lose, based on the number of games played. In addition, I think we need to incorporate the total games played AND number of games played on the map being reported into the score.
A perfect example would be if a newer member to ToH, like me, plays a veteran player, like Vesuvius. If we had the same score, I am still at a significant disadvantage based on his veteran status in number of games played. In addition, he may have played the map we are playing many more times than I. To use the score differential and +30 or -20 (win or lose) is not created a true picture of each player upon winning or losing.
In addition, if some sort of "bonus" were in place, it would hopefully provide incentive to have veterans play newbies and visa versa. This would help to increase the knowledge and skills of a new player, while allowing a veteran with a higher rank the ability to preview a new player for potential recruitment.
I will be more than happy to continue working on modified formulae for the scores if others agree. :{>
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Power of Might, Power of Magic!
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grythandril
Famous Hero
who is a Chaotic Wizard
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posted July 12, 2001 08:50 PM |
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players stats
Player Stats
i would like to see my stats on heroes 4 toh in more graphical style.
Since the the New front page of TOH for h4 looks like greek or roman mythology, it would be nice for players to see their stats like that grpahically.
Since H4 was designed by you guys can it not be the same for the stats as well.
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Might is Power
Magic is Power
Honor is Power
Power Rules Above All
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deth8
Promising
Known Hero
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posted July 13, 2001 04:37 AM |
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name other than plebe
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First of all is the rank of plebe. I hate the name as it really sounds like a thick person with no brains. Can it not be change for another name like Novice or Apprentice when Heroes 4 web page is complete. Or in keeping with tradition call it either :
Soldier like in the Roman empire.
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Warrior like they do in Fantasy or medieval times
Also I have noticed that the ranking of the players reflects that of a military establishement ie Cadet, Colonel, Legionaire etc. This is fine because it reflects the MIGHT side of Heroes.
But what about the MAGIC side of heroes as well. You could have another set of ranks for example. Acolyte, Sorceror, Archmage etc. that would compliment each other.
That way the system would be extactly the same but have MAGIC rankings alongside the MIGHT rankings. After all MAGIC play an important part in the game especially in battle
This was just a idea I had.
The way round this would for players type in the relevant information in the WIN/LOSS reports such as the example below.
(Sorry about copying as this is purely for example purposes only)
LOSER SCORE SUBMISSION (EXAMPLE)
Your Handle/Name (Loser): Grythandril
Your Password ******
Your Opponent (Winner) Handle/Name: DaffyDuck
Map Played: Stuck in the Bog
Hero: Sandro
Detail Final battle between Sandra and Sorsha. Sandro won (barely).
So when a user-name wins a game which ever hero the player used in the map would reflect the ranking systems. So if sandro won or lost it would be a MAGIC ranking because Sandro is necromancer (MAGIC). If it was Clavius which won or lost it would be a MIGHT ranking because Clavius is a Death Knight (MIGHT).
As you know the Might heroes have more Combat, Defense Stats than the Magic heroes which have more Spell Power and Knowledge Stats.
However if the players switch heros at the start of the game it would not matter as long as the information is typed in the reports. eg start with Valeska then at the tavern decide to buy and make Adela is the main hero.
If however through time the players keep switching between different heroes for different games then the ranking system can reflect both e.g.
Handle/Name Grythandril
Name Colin Buick
E-mail Colin@whatever
IQ number
Points 965
Rank Plebe/BattleMage
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Handle/Name Grythandril
Name Colin Buick
E-mail Colin@whatever
IQ number
Points 965
Might Plebe
Magic BattleMage
Again this is just an idea because as I stated earlier it would reflect the true side of Might & Magic for heroes. Of course you know all the stats of the game but this is to explain the system a bit more accurately.
Although this would probably mean extra work for you guys, but to me it would inject more emphasis on the game itself..
When Heroes 4 comes out it might mean that a system similar to the one above could be in operation.
It might make battles more intense for each player or start debates against which hero is better. Who knows?
Just adding my original part of email before this went to the board.
I think your ideas on this were insightful creative. The linking to the game with the terminology was a nice idea too. I do have to agree with Vesuvius about the taxation on our site. It would be quite a bit in terms of the ranking system to do this and it would have to be modified in the future as well with expansions. We also would not be able to open TOH season 4 at the same time as HOMM4 release if we tried to incorporate this, unless 3DO gave us big help like a game before release and I seriously don't see them working hard to try to help us develop the site  All of this coupled together really makes it tough if not impossible to do with the site.
Are there other ways you can think of in terms of reflecting both the magic and might side of HOMM4 that we might use. The term of plebe does seem pretty negative even though the lowest rank will always carry that connotation. Possibly names like enlist, enlistee, pettitioner hmm... I don't know. I do still like the greco-roman type names as well. Is there another term for someone before they came into the roman army before being given any rank? Bootcampist sounds idiotic, but that would be a term to come up with in simile.
*sorry about the huge post for the sake of clarity of topic I had to quote the whole thing.*
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deth8
Promising
Known Hero
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posted July 13, 2001 04:40 AM |
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to eugene_de_muerte
I do think that would be a nice thing for the player info request page to display. Ves, I don't know if you are keeping notes or not. But, flagging ideas so as not to forget to see about incorporation is something we should do. Let me know if you are or if I should.
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To dEth8 :
No, I wasn't thinking at something like the Hall of Shame...but I was too tired when I wrote that reply and I had problams with expressing myself even in my own language
Some time ago I played a player called (player name delted) on a random medium. I saw his town in the first day but he wanted to continue so in week 2, day1 he attacked my hero. I beat him and he conceded...but did not report loss...In the next day I saw that he had many "unreported loses". I would not have played him if I knew that. Perhaps a player profile should contain wins/losses/unreports
To Cheesus :
Both players would have to send the last saves. What do you think?
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deth8
Promising
Known Hero
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posted July 13, 2001 04:43 AM |
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initial draw is the personal ranking
However, I do think the initial draw is very much on behalf of the personal rankings in my opinion. Then as players become more involved they expand to all the rest that TOH has to offer by way of enhancing game play for people.
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Here is a suggestion
What about those who pay a fee start on a slightly higher rank than those who don't pay. I mean that way it could be up to the individual to decide.
Again, I must remind all that to add another ranking set will only add confusion and more work. The $5 people usually cannot pay, because lack of access to credit cards and such, and would be more work than its worth for $5.
8 rank levels is a good standard, and its an overall TOH status, remember that all the gaming goodness in TOH lies not just in its main ranking, but in divisions, clans and all its subtournaments.
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grythandril
Famous Hero
who is a Chaotic Wizard
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posted July 13, 2001 12:14 PM |
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Ranks
I forgot to mention this but recently I discovered that those of the higher rank cannot play with lower ranks.
i.e.
a lieutenant cannot play with a plebe because they are classed as "Newbies" (whatever that means) and they do not get any points for the win.
I understand that, however when Heroes 4 comes out, it will throw up a whole new can of worms in terms of battles and tactics, even for the very high ranking players such as yourselves.
I say this because of the fact that the hero can participate in battle as well as recruiting additional heroes. I think this will change the way we think about standard and unusual tactical battles for the heroes.
TOH webpage it states that thoses with high ranks will be passed to Heroes 4 Webpage with their set of medals ranks etc.
It is possible that a lower player might defeat a higher player when Heroes 4 is launched.
Granted you guys in the states will probably get first hand at the gameplay before the rest of us, but surely even a low level player should get the chance to play
e.g. a legionaire or a general.
I am sending you this because i dont know if is for the TOH message board
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Might is Power
Magic is Power
Honor is Power
Power Rules Above All
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Darxion
Adventuring Hero
For The Honor......
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posted July 13, 2001 09:06 PM |
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Scoring and InterRank Play
In reference to the post by Gryth and my previous post, I again ask if it would be possible to revise the way a score is calculated to not only take into account games played / veteran status, but to also allow for those higher ranked individuals to play the lower ranks (and visa versa) without penalty and with incentive.
In addition to my previous post, I ask such as it is definately misleading, worst case, to see someone with, for example, 1004 points who has a 52 - 34 record. This person is definately not a "Cadet" as the 1004 points reflects. This person is a battle scarred veteran who apparently lost a few recent games to another player with more points.
We need the score to show a "truer" picture of a player's standing and capabilities. Not all real life higher ranks, such as a General, became such based on recent successes....many get there through hard work, preserverence, and just plain ol' dedication and grit.
And example of an idea thrown out by Vesuvius that I like is the idea of a bonus factor based on number of games played, i.e. 0.5% bonus (win or lose) for every ten games played. This would possibly boost the score of a true veteran, even if they lose after enough games, to better reflect their knowledge and potential and thus better serve one who is looking at there status in the 'Player Search',
etc.
You could also possibly add a bonus automatically after reset for a new season, if you are resetting scores after each season, or just carry over the games played bonus.
Example:
Player A is newbie with 5-1 record, 1100 pts.
Player B is veteran with 49-51 record, 1100 pts.
Player A wins....Rt = 1100 + 30 + .05*(1100-1100) = 1130
.................Rn = Rt + Bp * Rt = 1130 + 0(1130) = 1130
Player B loses...Rt = 1100 - (20 + .05*(1100-1100)) = 1080
.................Rn = 1080 + .05(1080) = 1134
Player B actually went higher than player A even though he/she lost. The reason: Player B has 100 games under his/her belt, which equals a 5% bonus on score each game played. Definately an incentive to play all score/rank
players, not just higher score players AND, more importantly, it is definately an incentive to play more HOMM games under the ToH system.
Anyone?????
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Power of Might, Power of Magic!
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted July 14, 2001 07:19 AM |
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Perhaps in Season II TOH homm4
What you propose there would make sense in season II of homm4 TOH, whenever that would be; because thats when a record of say, 40-30 1000 points (because scores get reset) would make them a cadet but a veteran one.
At season I Homm4 TOH this wont apply, because we ALL start the same with 0-0 1000 and no skill on homm4.
PLEBES
About not being able to play plebes, that is not true, it is the excessive plebe kills that causes a player to get a 'cherry' and eventually lose points. It is simply a system to avoid 'plebe abuse' by lieutenants and captains. If you play an even share of similar ranked players and low rankers, you will never be troubled. It is those who beat newcomers consistently that are penalized.
Again, the term 'plebe' can easily be changed. Anyone have a good name for its replacement that fits the current rankings terms on homm4?
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truespin2acid
Tavern Dweller
retired monkey trainer
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posted July 14, 2001 10:10 AM |
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There are three things I'd love to see changed in toh (not that it isn't already the coolest site in the world). As mentioned many times before... a more elaborate player search that also limits an amount of times a player can WIN on a same map.
I'd also like to see a slightly different ranking system as proposed by grythandril except that you pick what kind of hero you are in the begining... such as when you register you decide you want to register as a magic player or a might player or both. It would show a bit of each members playing style.
Lastly, it would be awesome if plebes were emailed some sort of automatic guide to toh... it took me a while to figure out a few things. Something that would explain how points work, plebe status, places to start gaming, a little guide to words that make no sense to newbies, rules, etc. I know there are pages on the site that explain all of this, but this would help alot in explaining things better to newbies.
Anyways TOH rox no matter wut
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grythandril
Famous Hero
who is a Chaotic Wizard
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posted July 15, 2001 05:20 PM |
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ranks
Regarding the plebe rank mentioned by deth8 i still think it should be changed to either
SOLDIER
OR
WARRIOR (Warrior is my favourite choice)
anyone like these two suggestions
also regarding the last message stating about the two new ranks one for MIGHT and one for Magic.
Another idea would be to have one set of ranks but this time change them to reflect the MIGHT and MAGIC side.
ie in no particular order
STORM-LORD
BATTLE-WIZARD
UNDEAD-LEGIONAIRE
BLOOD-WARRIOR
LICH-KING
MAGIC-ARMOURER
ARCHON 0F POWER
One set of Ranks but with MIGHT & MAGIC complementing each other.
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Might is Power
Magic is Power
Honor is Power
Power Rules Above All
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted July 15, 2001 09:00 PM |
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Unfortunately to register as a might player or magic player, and have separate ranking systems, is too complicated for an already complicated system. Visit the TOH automation post to see the framework of how its going to work.
I think its pretty easy to have any player who registers to get a welcome email with a 'guide'. Or maybe a simple email with links to go to for info, directly to say, a new player info page etc... like we have for homm3.
Will do.
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grythandril
Famous Hero
who is a Chaotic Wizard
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posted July 18, 2001 07:44 PM |
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ranks
i dont think you know what i mean ves.
I meant that the MIGHT and MAGIC rankings i indicated in the last message would to to combine the two together to form a new but single ranking layout
eg CADET,LEGIONAIRE,COLONEL,GENERAL to me reflects the MIGHT side of the game.
What i propose or suggest is the MIGHT & MAGIC ranks are combined together as one.
eg. STORMLORD, BATTLEWIZARD, UNDEADLEGIONAIRE,
BLOODWARRIOR, MAGICARMOURER, ARCHON 0F POWER
That way is represents the true side of HEROES OF MIGHT & MAGIC with one set of ranks.
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Might is Power
Magic is Power
Honor is Power
Power Rules Above All
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gelu
Hired Hero
Might&Magic
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posted July 20, 2001 09:10 PM |
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Hey i'm ready to volunteer i have plenty of time and i realy like to help.About that mirror for the Romania site Vesuvius contact me via icq or something. I'm new in toh so allready i want to help,about that money thing it scuks,remeber if you would charge taxes there won't be so many people joining in so i think it's a bad ideea,We misht get money by onother way like adds or others. Well i'm ready to help.
bye for now!
Let's make history!
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Shae_Trielle
Honorable
Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted August 11, 2001 11:56 AM |
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Keep the Might
I have no real love for complex made up rank names that have no real bearing upon traditionally recognized military standings. I mean the most commonly recognized heirarchy in the world is based on the military heirarchy. It can of course be made more archaic, so that you don't feel like a police 'Captain' or the modern equivalent.
Plebe is by far the best word to use for the lowest of ranks. Warrior? LOL that sounds pretty impressive, I wouldn't mind being a warrior at all. Might even be proud of it someday...
Plebe?! EEEEK! I wanna play some damned games so I can get the hellafied up outta here and make my ass respectable!
See what I mean? Don't touch the derogatorialismationing of the word PLEBE (lmao! Me no spicka eneee inglaish!).
Ves, I have a question: What happens if people with rather popular ToH and known ToH handles get them stolen by somebody who registers and 'claims' their handle? What the hell would you do if someone registered as Name X and then the person who is traditionally recognized as Name X shows up to find that their claimed handle for last season is gone? Has this ever happened before? Wut wood u dooo?
Mind you, you gotta be a nut to call yourself MatronBaenre, lol, but if ya touch my damn handle, I'mma come over there and make ya mamma smell my feet and cut my damn toenails! And after that she can cook me some roast and wash my dirty dishes!
And then I'mma get started on you....
*smile*
PS: 5150 Home For The Sick. That's where you can find me, LMAO!
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grythandril
Famous Hero
who is a Chaotic Wizard
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posted August 11, 2001 02:58 PM |
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Plebe
I'm afraid I disagree with Shae_Trielle about the Plebe rank.
I play the game with fun and enjoyment and i know i am not the best player.
I also know that it will take a very long time for mysself to reach the higher ranks. So I am quite happy to remain in the lowest rank, but with a rank that sound better than PLEBE.
Not all players can be experts some will win and some will lose, that is a fact. So those including myself who remain at the bottom should have a rank title that can at leasty hold their heads up with a bit of dignity.
PLEBE it not a rank title I would associate with. So am I sticking with either WARRIOR, SOLDIER OR ACOLYTE for
HEROES IV.
They sound alot better.
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Shae_Trielle
Honorable
Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted August 11, 2001 03:12 PM |
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LOL You just made my point
And this is the prime purpose of getting better at the game! You don't like being a plebe, then play some games! You don't have to win all of them to become a good player. You are no less intelligent than the rest of us who play, why should it be any different to you when it comes to who's good and who isn't? You are not content with lowly rank names yet you claim to be content with a lowly rank. Simple answer to that solution is play, learn and grow. And besides, the rank of plebe is not absolute, it only applies to those of us who have less than 4 games under our belts. After that, well then, you get a half decent half respectable rank name anyway (even if people still do treat you like a nobody, LOL!).
*smile*
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