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IRh
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Lizard
posted June 15, 2003 04:03 PM bonus applied.
Edited By: Hexa on 17 Jan 2004

Tactic exercices

Who wanna try some tactic exercices? For example, can you beat 100 Black Dragons with 40 Titans and some magic? Or 1000 Sharpshooters with only 100 the sames?
http://www.her.h10.ru

edit by Hexa: nice thread and followups!@
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Khayman
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posted June 15, 2003 05:48 PM

Directions, please...

Hey, I wanted to find info about this, but the link leads to the Age Of Heroes site.  Where on this site can I find the info for this, etc.?  Thanks
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IRh
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Lizard
posted June 15, 2003 05:54 PM

Thanks oops sorry

I've updated the link, now it works.
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IRh
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Lizard
posted June 25, 2003 04:56 PM

Top. Nobody wants or some trouble?
I won't pop it more.
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lord_crusader
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posted June 25, 2003 06:28 PM

I will try my results later
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Aculias
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posted June 25, 2003 11:23 PM

hmm an idea never tested it because I never ran into such situations but expert water & earth with wisdom & also split your titans in each slot of 1 each.
Dragons reach you first round & then you cast clone, move those cloned titans out of reach for next round & then move you other titans to a corner.
Next round the blackies attacs the cloned, then you move your titans guard your main 45 other titans & then attack with the 45 titans from the corner.
Next round your dragons attack 2 titans, you wait with the 45 titans & then move all your other titans out of the way then cast force field for remainder of the battle hehe.

Just a tought hehe.

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Lizard
posted June 26, 2003 09:05 AM

You have no clone, but you  have tactics. W/o tactics, dragons will smash you first round. Did you understood, there is a link to cite with exercice maps?
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posted June 26, 2003 02:15 PM

1-1-1-15-1-1-40(dragons) <---formation

round1: mass haste

-move first manti 1 square forward
-attack 2nd manti
-attack 3rd manti
-rest wait

titans kill 1 manti

-attack 1 manti
-attack 15 manti
-defend 1 manti
-defend 1 manti
-attack 40 dragons

round2: mass bless

remains:1-15-1-1-40

-wait 1st manti
-retreat 15 manti
-defend 1 manti
-wait 1 manti
-retreat 40 dragons

titans kill manti

-move 1 manti next to titans
-move 1 manti next to titans

round3: curse

-attack 1 manti
-wait 15 manti
-defend 1 manti
-wait 40 dragons

titans kill 1 manti

- attack 15 manti
attack 40 dragons

round4: magic arrow

- wait 40 dragons
- attack 15 manti

titans 7-8 dragons



the rest is 1on1. do not forget to curse the titans again when their curse is over.
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IRh
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Lizard
posted June 30, 2003 10:43 AM

Thanks mm.
Quote:

round4: magic arrow

- wait 40 dragons
- attack 15 manti


I'd prefer to place 1 Dragon in 1st slot to take retal here.

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IRh
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Lizard
posted November 08, 2003 08:25 PM

Update!

http://www.her.h10.ru

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binabik
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posted November 20, 2003 07:49 AM

Exercise 1. Similar to MM's solution.

Exercise 2.  40 titans vs 100 black dragons

First, will everyone have the same battle map obstacles (the logs and stuff)? Because this solution uses them.

I'm using a coordinate system, starting in upper left. Top to bottom is A-K. Left to right is 1-15.

Formation = 34-1-1-1-1-1-1

Tactics stage:
protect main stack and don't let blackies attack more than one stack at a time

34 titans to position D5
next 5 to positions A5,B6,C6,D7,E7
last one to H7

Round 1
blackie kills C6
cast mass bless
H7 move to C6 -- to maintain protective formation
D7 defend --- there are no melee attacks until end
others attack

Round 2
blackie kills A5
resurrect A5
A5, B6 defend
others attack

Round 3
blackie kills C6
resurrect C6
C6, D7 defend
others attack

Round 4
blackie kills B6
mass haste
A5 move to B6
others attack

Round 5
cast precision
B6 wait
others attack
blackie kill D7 -- he could have killed 2 stacks, but didn't
didn't record what B6 did after waiting

Round 6
no spell points left
E7 move to D7
others attack
blackie kills B6 and C6

Round 7
D7 move away from main stack
main stack attack

21 blackies, 34 titans and 1 titan

done in 2 more rounds with 27 titans alive

The blackies were very inconsistant in which stack they attack, so this exact sequence in unlikely to repeat. In round 1 the blackies blocked stack 7 from filling in for the killed titan 3 out of 4 times. Mass haste in round 1 takes care of this and is still winnable, but won't leave as many titans at the end.
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posted November 20, 2003 06:49 PM

Example 1(20 manticores and 40 black dragons vs 100 titans): similar to madmartigan's

Example 2(40 titans vs 100 black dragons): I'm dying everytime

Example 3(1 dragonfly, 40 chaos hydras vs 100 ancient behemoths): slow, haste, bless, maybe frenzy(depends of mana), and just hit and run them

Example 4(5 green dragons and 7 vampire lords vs 28 naga queens): dunno this yet

Example 5(40 hydras vs 100 hydras): split hydras into 2 stacks, one with just one, and other with rest...you can manouver to get some turns where you'll wait with bigger stack

Example 6-8: dying now


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UndeadLord
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posted November 20, 2003 06:53 PM

Hey do anybody happen to know that are there any like this for Heroes 4?
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binabik
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posted November 21, 2003 05:32 AM

Quote:
Example 2(40 titans vs 100 black dragons): I'm dying everytime



Will everyone have the same terrain obstacles?

Here's the upper left portion of mine with coordinates and starting position

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A----T----
B----LT---
C---L-T---
D---LM-T--
E---LLLT--
F-----L--S
G-----RRR-
H------T--

L=log, S=stump, R=rock, T=titan, M=main titan stack -=open hex
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Nebuka
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Save me Jebus!
posted November 21, 2003 03:44 PM

Not sure if we all have same obstacles.

Will check it soon.
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IRh
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Lizard
posted November 23, 2003 06:33 PM

Thanks for responses...

The obstacles are kinda yours... But they aren't necessary, any case. I crowded my Titans at left-bottom corner of the battlefield, and 21 survived. (Binabik had 27)
Quote:
Example 4(5 green dragons and 7 vampire lords vs 28 naga queens): dunno this yet

he-he... Ranked expert, you know. And no vampire-strike-retreat!

I uploaded the Mr.Iks's puzzle #A (real game save, SoD). (Needed to re-gzip it at maximum compression to fit in 500 K limit) Good thing, IMHO. Yes, no casualities. I thought it was impossible, too...

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posted November 23, 2003 11:22 PM

Quote:
The obstacles are kinda yours... But they aren't necessary, any case. I crowded my Titans at left-bottom corner of the battlefield, and 21 survived. (Binabik had 27)



Thanks for the obstacle info. And thanks for the exorcises too. Your's was the first post in the library in 2-3 days, I was starting to think I was the only one here. (so I'll just talk to myself  

Actually I played around with ex2 a little more. With my obstacles, I consistantly have 30 survivors now. In the corner the dracons will attack the main stack at least one round sooner.

Exorcise 3: too easy

Exorcise 4:

I need a clarification of the rules. You said the vamps can't hit-and-run. In the map itself it says "vampires cannot attack nagas". Does that mean the vamps can't attack at all, or they can attack, but not hit-and-run.


I'm thinking something like this.

Round 1, prayer, no attacks, and end round at least 8 hex from nagas.

Round 2, wait, frenzy largest dragon stack and attack, losing one dragon. Round three will be a retreat, then do same thing again.

The dragon split 1-1-1-2 and 1-1-3 will each give a total of 6 frenzied dragon attacks without retal (3 rounds * 2, or 2 rounds * 3). 1-1-1-1-1 and 1-4 both give 4 frenzied dragon attacks with no retal.

If the vamps can be used, the 1-1-3 dragon split will save more spell points for the vamps than 1-1-1-2. I'm not sure if it can be won without vamps attacking.
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posted November 23, 2003 11:24 PM

Quote:
The obstacles are kinda yours... But they aren't necessary, any case. I crowded my Titans at left-bottom corner of the battlefield, and 21 survived. (Binabik had 27)



Thanks for the obstacle info. And thanks for the exorcises too. Your's was the first post in the library in 2-3 days, I was starting to think I was the only one here. (so I'll just talk to myself  

Actually I played around with ex2 a little more. With my obstacles, I consistantly have 30 survivors now. In the corner the dracons will attack the main stack at least one round sooner.

Exorcise 3: too easy

Exorcise 4:

I need a clarification of the rules. You said the vamps can't hit-and-run. In the map itself it says "vampires cannot attack nagas". Does that mean the vamps can't attack at all, or they can attack, but not hit-and-run.


I'm thinking something like this.

Round 1, prayer, no attacks, and end round at least 8 hex from nagas.

Round 2, wait, frenzy largest dragon stack and attack, losing one dragon. Round three will be a retreat, then do same thing again.

The dragon split 1-1-1-2 and 1-1-3 will each give a total of 6 frenzied dragon attacks without retal (3 rounds * 2, or 2 rounds * 3). 1-1-1-1-1 and 1-4 both give 4 frenzied dragon attacks with no retal.

If the vamps can be used, the 1-1-3 dragon split will save more spell points for the vamps than 1-1-1-2. I'm not sure if it can be won without vamps attacking.
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posted November 23, 2003 11:34 PM

Isn't this just an exersice in using ingame bugs? A true strategist would not get his troops caught like that. And if it was player vs player it would be hard to win.

True strategy to me is not finding out the weakness of the AI, but to be able to win an equal game against another good player by using the mind.

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Kuma
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posted November 24, 2003 01:52 PM

Ah well, some of these tactics might be useful. But I have not been that bored so far. So no, I ddin't try them.


BTW quick note from Thailand here. Will be back in about 10 days.
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