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RedSoxFan3
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posted June 21, 2003 02:13 AM |
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Ban HOMM?
I don't understand why people ban spells like fly, dimension door, and town portal. Or ban hero abilities like diplomacy, necromacy, or logistics.
Ya know, expert earth magic is just a little to good. I don't think people should be able to play with expert earth magic. In fact, why don't we just ban every part of strategy in the entire game? Archangels are too good, so I think we should ban all level 7 creatures.
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LordTitan
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posted June 21, 2003 02:17 AM |
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Interesting...
Well... I don't realy ban any spells, but I do think that Exp Earth Magic is a little strong. That earth stuff has lot of realy realy powerful spells, but the good thing is they don't show up much.
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Aculias
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posted June 21, 2003 02:37 AM |
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Well because some or most of us want a good game.
Nothing sucks when you got to fight 20 red dragons week 3 because of dip or having a great even game only to have it ruined by a simple DD right to your main castle.
Just some of those examples are what players like me hate.
Others you mentioned like Logistics is a toss.
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Celfious 
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posted June 21, 2003 02:49 AM |
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I say with flying, DD, and TP.. It should not be in the map by default but the map makers should have the ability to include it however he/she pleases.
It is hard to kill your flying enimies, indeed. It's easier to defend the castles with TP.
How about the Inferno's towngate?? Thats a nice one but makes the game much easier.
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RedSoxFan3
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posted June 21, 2003 02:59 AM |
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Others you mentioned like Logistics is a toss.
No really. I've seen people who have game descriptions at zone:
rules: no nerco, spec hero, 4th level, log, diplo, fly, dd, tp, boots, and there were more too. That's the sad part. Can't we play without any rules. Can't you people play for real and learn from your mistakes instead of taking out another part of the game just so you can win?
This was the point I meant to make earier, but failed to make clear.
btw, that second paragraph was just an exaggeration to make a point.
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rychenroller
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posted June 21, 2003 03:14 AM |
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Others you mentioned like Logistics is a toss.
No really. I've seen people who have game descriptions at zone:
rules: no nerco, spec hero, 4th level, log, diplo, fly, dd, tp, boots, and there were more too. That's the sad part. Can't we play without any rules. Can't you people play for real and learn from your mistakes instead of taking out another part of the game just so you can win?
This was the point I meant to make earier, but failed to make clear.
btw, that second paragraph was just an exaggeration to make a point.
Spoken like someone who knows not what he says.
Lets say you are playing no rules on extreme random template. You get a fly scroll week 1 guarded by horde skel warriors (toss) in the desert near your area you see soj and hh heavily guarded (week 6 fight at least) But you have fly, so you stock up on spell points and get em. In week 2 you have stas all around the 15 mark, so back to town, spellpoints and repeat the process. End of week 2 you are level 20 and stats of 30 30 30 30 from arts and boxes. If thats not your idea of a gamekiller, then you arent being serious.
Most rules are to allow for game makers mistakes or gamekilling spells. For you to label all these players as unskilled and taking out part of the game for their benefit is typically ignorant.
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RedSoxFan3
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posted June 21, 2003 03:52 AM |
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Oh I already understand randoms suck with their unpredictability, but that's why they are good too. Maybe fly and dd can be unfair sometimes, but to say its unacceptable on every map is obsurd. A well-designed map should include the utilization of those spells.
btw, I'm not sure how those templates are made, but the answer is simple, edit out scrolls to prevent the exploitation of randoms. I think that anyone who gets dd or fly from their mage guild, should be able to use that spell whenever whereever. My philosophy is that if people actually play with this spell consistantly they will get used to being prepared for such spells just like people get used to hit and run. It's part of the game and should be a part of the game.
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Aculias
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posted June 21, 2003 05:53 AM |
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Well you see Sox I tried for even over a yr no rules it just does not pay off to have a good game even if I win.
Why dont you try playing some decent players & play no rules & tell me how long you can hang with them.
I seen you been playing lately but no rules on fixed map is cool & it should be automatic having a no red rush or H&R rule which I would only use.
Cartography is even ok if the mao maker put it in there.
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2XtremeTotake
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posted June 21, 2003 05:53 AM |
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dude, i also am sick of all these rules.......My two main castles are necro and flux, as i have become slightly good in them both. I only play with 2 rules......Meet week 1 restart and no Hit and run....i dont care about anything else, im sick of every single move being limited......
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splexx
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posted June 21, 2003 06:23 AM |
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Edited By: splexx on 21 Jun 2003
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OH gimme a break...
any experienced ONLINE player...
although i should specify..RANDOM player..
knows that DD, fly, diplo, carto, grail is a total gamebreaker..
Especially with toh templates...
These templates are meant to be decided more by skill than luck!!
I used to play regular randoms, and get dd or fly scroll guarded by crap, then rest of game would be zzzzzzzz..
I also think necro or flux is cool as long as it's necro or flux war
of course with the above rules as always
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Pollo2002
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posted June 21, 2003 06:54 AM |
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rules, are rules
Rules are the idea to give game a skill factor bigger than the luck factor, any noob, can win an expert player if he gets DD.
And about some abilities and arts, and spells, being banned, see the only kind of map i don't think must be anything banned are on medium open maps, on any other type or bigger size, some spells are gamebreakers, log heroes maybe aren't very great on closed, or at least no gamebreakers, try a multi-town map...
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Lord_Woock
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posted June 21, 2003 12:01 PM |
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*sigh*
I wish I found a fly scroll in my zone on Jebus Cross... Opp would have -94365843265265% chances of winning.
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wpaxson
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posted June 21, 2003 12:41 PM |
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so i build a mage guild to level 4 by day 6 and you will aloow me to fly to the center and steal all the goods without a fight??!!!????!!! unbeleivable maybe after sevral dozen defeats you'll change your mind. thats just gotta be the lamest thing ive seen lol
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Medusa
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posted June 21, 2003 01:19 PM |
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I don't understand why people ban spells like fly, dimension door, and town portal. Or ban hero abilities like diplomacy, necromacy, or logistics.
To make the game harder Town portal is still in game. We can still win without dimension door or fly, imho.
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2XtremeTotake
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posted June 21, 2003 01:39 PM |
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I agree with you on the spells, town portal is also very annoying, say your getting ready to take over a castle, your opponents main strong hero is on the other side of the map, your almost at the castle but you end your turn, on your opponents turn he casts town portal and stays in his caslte....you can attack hsi castle anymore
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Lord_Woock
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posted June 21, 2003 03:14 PM |
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Oh, but you can! Sure, you won't win, but you still can attack
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soccerfeva
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posted June 21, 2003 06:35 PM |
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What ban stuff?
I think NOTHING should be ban.HOMM is a strategy game.Everything SHOULD be finely balanced.CHOOSE the BEST spells,heros and sec skills.
CHOOSE,NOT BAN.
THINK,NOT BAN!!!
And one more thing-if yr opponent had DD why can't u hav DD?If yr opp had Fly when can't u have fly?If Earth Magic is strong why can't u choose Earth Magic?If archangels are good why don u just choose castle?If you like expert berserk why don u choose fire magic?If you like DD why don u choose Air magic?If you like gnolls why don you take fortress.It's all down to what you like,choose the best hero with the best Sec skills that you want.Every town has got good heroes,it's how you use them to the BEST of their capabilities.
Stop whining and grumbling,get on with life,get on with playing HOMM.It's all in the brain.It's all a strategy game.
HOMM is not a matter of life and death.
It's much more important than that.
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Lord_Woock
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posted June 21, 2003 07:17 PM |
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One (hundred ) flame, commin' up!
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soccerfeva
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posted June 21, 2003 07:18 PM |
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LOL lord woock,I'm trying to get a qp with that. SHh... don tell anyone LOL
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jb239
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posted June 21, 2003 08:40 PM |
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These debates are stupid
Why do you even bother debating it? Because both arguments are correct, so there is no point. If you don't mind losing to someone getting DD day 2, then thats fine, dont play with rules.
If you hate losing to someone getting DD day 2, then play with rules. It's as simple as that.
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