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Khayman
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posted February 10, 2005 09:12 PM |
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Choose Yer Poison...
JELL-O Brand Gelatin Dessert
Apricot
Berry Blue
Black Cherry
Cherry
Cranberry
Cranberry-Raspberry
Grape
Pineapple
Lemon
Lime
Mixed Fruit
Orange
Peach
Raspberry
Strawberry
Strawberry-Banana
Strawberry-Kiwi
Wild Strawberry
JELL-O Brand Sugar Free Low Calorie Gelatin Dessert
Black Cherry
Cherry
Cranberry
Lemon
Lime
Mixed Fruit
Orange
Peach
Raspberry-Strawberry
Strawberry-Banana
Strawberry-Kiwi
Wild Berry
X-Treme JELL-O Brand Gelatin Dessert
Green Apple
Watermelon
Wild Berry
Mystery JELL-O Brand Gelatin Dessert
Magical Twist
Personally, I would select Black Cherry, but Magical Twist sounds rather delightful.
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bort
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posted February 10, 2005 09:25 PM |
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Personally, I would select Black Cherry
C'mon, just because she's not married doesn't mean she's a virgin.
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Peacemaker
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posted February 10, 2005 10:07 PM |
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Hmmmm.
Magical Twist sounds interesting, especially for a wrestling competition...
Of course, you could always throw Rick Santorium in there with Brian Grieg or Allan Spear and call it "Mixed Fruit..."
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Svarog
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posted February 11, 2005 12:28 AM |
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Edited By: Svarog on 10 Feb 2005
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bort's idea would be a cool episode of that MTV celebrety death match show. I'd give up my jello to see that.
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bort
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posted February 11, 2005 07:37 PM |
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Svarog
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posted February 14, 2005 02:22 AM |
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Santorum and Jell-O (brand gelatin like dessert) should never be mixed.
Ewwww... Especially in the kitchen.
cheers to bort, the man who taught me vocabulary I would have otherwise never learned.
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Shiva
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posted February 14, 2005 02:37 AM |
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Looks to me like this thread has followed the voice
of reason out of the building
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Leo_Lion
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posted February 14, 2005 07:07 AM |
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I have just read through this whole Thread...
And nowhere did anyone question the fact that maybe...just maybe...Colin Powell is not the moral "SuperStar" that all of you seem to believe his is.
I think that he is just as crooked as the rest of Bush Administration because he kept claiming that Iraq had Weapons of M.D. and because he also totally supported the Invasion of innocent people being suppressed by unfair economic sanctions.
And I think that you can all just save your well-wishes for him now that he is withdrawing into Private Life...or should I call it the Private Sector! This dude is going to reap the rewards of standing behind the Bush Administration and is probably already working at his new "Board of Directors" job in some Multi-national Conglomerate that is lining its pockets with money from Iraqi oil.
Voice of moderation...bah! This guy is probably as rotten & greesy as the rest of 'em...oops, I meant greedy...no wait! Greesy is just as good. 
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Peacemaker
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posted February 16, 2005 06:21 PM |
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Dear Leo -- you wrote:Quote:
I have just read through this whole Thread...
And nowhere did anyone question the fact that maybe...just maybe...Colin Powell is not the moral "SuperStar" that all of you seem to believe his is...
I think that he is just as crooked as the rest of Bush Administration because he kept claiming that Iraq had Weapons of M.D. and because he also totally supported the Invasion of innocent people being suppressed by unfair economic sanctions...
Actually the reason such a dialogue did not turn up in this thread is because we had already pretty much comprehensively (dozens of posts through several pages) covered this topic in the thread, "Why George Bush Should Not Be Re-elected." Of course there's no way you could have known that; I don't think you were even around yet back then. I have gone and dug the thread back to the top of the index to you can find it. The main bulk of this discussion about Powell is on pages 9-12, but it continues after that.
The very short response to your claims that Powell supported the war and kept claiming there were WMD's: In preparation for the UN presentation in question, during a cabinet meeting and after several months of resistance by Powell against the administration's plans for going into Iraq, Powell reportedly threw the allegedly supporting documents (for the U.S. presentation) up in the air in frustration and proclaimed:
"I'm not reading this (to the UN)! This is bull ****!!!"
Another little gem I just recalled was the report of Powell chatting with a foreign head-of-state at a soire right around the beginning of the war in Iraq. The other gentleman commented he'd heard Bush was "sleeping like a baby."
Powell's quick-witted but very telling response:
"Me too. Every two hours I wake up screaming."
(ROFL; just ROFL)
Doesn't sound terribly supportive to me. But when you're Secretary of State, when your boss (the president) gives you an assignment, you do it cause he's the boss, not you, or you resign. And there's plenty of dialogue about Powell's option to resign in the above-mentioned thread. IN essence he knew he'd be leaving a power vacuum to be filled by a person appointed by none other than George W.
Tell me something, Leo, if you had been Powell at that moment, would YOU have resigned and let W. appoint Porter Goss or worse to replace you???
Oh -- and Svarog -- look at what I found in that thread!!!
May 17, 2004
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And third, about mister Powell. Do you think you'd still vote for him if he wasn't black? Not that I put the race issue in the game, but it seems to me that Peacemaker's identification with the "minority" concept is what makes her and her family inclined towards Gen. Powell. I know that he is a reasonable politician, but I have a general disliking to military personel getting the highest functions in the government. Of course I might be wrong with my assumptions about your motives, but don't take it offensively. My questions often have the form of statements
Good heavens, Svarog! How did this little gem get by me? LOL -- I hope you did not take my silence as acquiescence to your assertion. I just plain never noticed this speculation on your part before.
I'm sure I explained ad nauseum in that thread the reasons I am a strong supporter of Powell. But just for the record:
No, unless I am subconsciously deluded or something, which I suppose is possible, I would say that Powell’s race has nothing whatsoever to do with my assessment of him. My support for Powell has always come from my observations of his diplomatic presentation and interactions with heads of state around the world. Watching closely as he resisted the administration’s push for premature war in Iraq, and how quietly he handled that only augmented my respect for him. (In fact it was so quiet that many, like Leo Lion, did not even know of it.)
While many saw this as a sign that he lacked fortitude, if one was paying attention it was real clear it took fortitude to keep his mouth shut at the times he was most upset and frozen out of the decisionmaking process by Rumsfeld. As I have suggested many time, knowing how government works, one cannot hold public office in the cabinet and act like an activist at the same time.
Leo, there's lots of articles about Powell on the topics we discussed comprehensively in the George Bush thread. When I get a little more time I will try and dig them up for you. In the meantime, you should check out this Frontline feed which is available on the web:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pentagon/view/
It's called "Rumsfeld's War." It may help you flesh out your understanding of the dynamic in the cabinet during the gearing up for Iraq, and confirms what I had been arguing all along was going on between Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell during that time.
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Consis
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posted February 17, 2005 03:47 AM |
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Hmm...
I've been waiting for you to respond to the 'Svarog- soliloquy' as I like to call it. Good response; and I half-wanted to say it myself but I can't speak for you.
It's a fool's paradise until the next election......when Hillary goes all the way with either Powell or (**drum roll please**) Ann Richards as v.p.!
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Leo_Lion
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posted February 17, 2005 08:23 AM |
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Oh gosh...aren't I a monkey's uncle.
I must admit that I had never heard of Powell's "silent" resistance to the war in Iraq and I am embarrassed for having prejudged him like that. I will go looking for that George Bush Thread in the next day or 2.
Thanks for the info, Peacemaker, you really did your name justice in this case! 
One more thing though, is it ok for me to hate George Bush and call him a greedy son-of-a-beeswax?!
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Peacemaker
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posted February 17, 2005 06:29 PM |
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Leo Lion = Monkey's Uncle??? NAWWWW
LOL Leo -- You are very gracious and I am not so graceful at accepting such compliments. Many people made the understandable faux-pas of grouping Powell in with the others because -- well -- he was part of the administration. One almost has to be an "administration-watcher" to be aware of the subtleties at work, and not everyone has time.
One point I forgot to mention also about your original post -- Powell has never been an active participant in the big-business scene that Cheney and so many Bush cabinet appointees have. He's pretty much just been a military manager, general, and has held cabinet posts under the last three or four presidents. But he did head up one at least one major youth program. I'll go see if I can remind myself what it was.
Okay, here we go:
Chairman, America's Promise (youth organization)
Member, Board of Trustees, Howard University
Member, Board of Trustees, United Negro College Fund
Member, Board of Governors, Boys' and Girls' Clubs of America
Advisory Board Member, Children's Health Fund
http://racerelations.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.lucidcafe.com%2Flucidcafe%2Flibrary%2F96apr%2Fpowell.html
Oh, and of course you can say whatever you want about Bush or anyone else as long as it does not violate the COC. Whether others agree with you or not. That's what open debate and discourse are all about! (I know, I know -- you were only kidding)
Consis, I might consider voting for Hillary if Powell were to run with her. I just think we need to pick a candidate that can capture the middle if the Dems want to win this time, and I'm not so sure she can do it. It's pointless to keep running candidates who cannot take the middle no matter how much we might like them. It is strategically futile.
On the other hand, if Powell were to run with her, we may be able to capture that middle.
BTW Consis -- what "Svarog - Soliloquy" are you talking about? Have I responded to it yet?
Some additional articles on Powell and his quandry while in the Bush administration (for Leo as promised, and whomever else is interested):
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/03/powell.time.cnna/
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030922&s=alterman
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/05-04-2004/0002166707&EDATE=
http://slate.msn.com/id/2095756/#ContinueArticle
http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/pow0pro-1 -- all four of the subpages on this one are worth reading. General information on who Powell is, good interview too.
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Consis
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posted February 17, 2005 10:11 PM |
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Peacemaker,
Yeah you responded. I was referring to your quote of his post. I had previously read it and wanted to respond but knew it was up to you to defend yourself.
And as for Powell running, I don't think he would bring in enough southern votes. Hillary could bridge the gap and get those moral conservatives that won the election for Bush by having Ann Richards at her side. She's the only woman that's ever beaten a Bush family member. As a democrat, I'm worried that that Jeb might decide to run in 08. I think Richards knows how to take down a Bush and that's what we need to win. We can't let another Bush enter our highest office. This is America and we don't do dynasties. We elect based on merit, not family ties. And I'm sorry to say but I just don't think Powell would bring in as many votes as Richards.
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bort
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posted February 17, 2005 10:13 PM |
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This is America and we don't do dynasties. We elect based on merit, not family ties.
All available evidence certainly supports this claim.
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privatehudson
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posted February 17, 2005 10:40 PM |
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This is America and we don't do dynasties. We elect based on merit, not family ties.
I'm reminded of a annecdote:
One day while campaigning against Dwight Eisenhower during the 1952 presidential election, Adlai Stevenson was approached by a female admirer. "Governor," she enthused, "every thinking person will be voting for you." "Madam, that is not enough," Stevenson replied. "I need a majority!"
You might not elect dynasties, but I suspect that merit is not always the most important thing about the selection method 
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Consis
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posted February 17, 2005 11:43 PM |
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Huh?
I can never tell if you are being serious or sarcastic bort. Based on all the times you've agreed with me in the past(never), I'd wager this to be your usual sarcastic funny bone talking. Correct me if I'm wrong; say nothing if I'm right.
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Leo_Lion
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posted February 17, 2005 11:55 PM |
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American Dynasty...
I think Bort was ribbing you for you statement because all evidence poitns toward a current "Dynasty" with George Bush Sr. & Jr. being Presidents, and with Jeb waiting in the wings.
And after having looked at the cute little Bush daughters, one can only suspect that they must have family feuds the likes of which would make the cat-fights on the old television series Dynasty look like square dancing!
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bort
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posted February 18, 2005 02:26 PM |
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Interpret how you will, in whichever way is most consistent with your world view.
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Consis
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posted February 18, 2005 03:28 PM |
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It's an opinion; nothing more nothing less. Opinions can change. I'm open to your suggestions. But there's no point in begging you for it. You either offer it or keep quiet. I would hope you have the courage to post your thoughts with conviction. If they're posted then I'll receive them as such. But if you say nothing then I will understand nothing of what you feel.
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