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posted February 01, 2009 07:27 PM |
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Really?
perfect example of bias 
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So what would he say if he was a cult member?
Same thing.
Oh and by the way, he knows what's best for the people/nation. They don't know ****, so of course people complain -- but he says, they'll learn later or somesuch 
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posted February 01, 2009 07:48 PM |
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perfect example of bias
What's so biased about it?
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Same thing.
He'd praise communism as a cult member? 
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posted February 01, 2009 08:13 PM |
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perfect example of bias
What's so biased about it?
Well, for one, "quality" is indeed subjective/biased. This is not some form of quality where you can compare it to something "original" and see if it's closer either. Look at the methodology -- and see where did they get the idea from? From an objective measurement, or just because "well, we think that X and Y are better for people" (example: wealth). That is biased.
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He'd praise communism as a cult member?
See why it's always derailing to talk to you? Because we need 100 posts until we get to the actual stuff that we should have got from the beginning. He praises the example I put there. That's the ONLY thing you know about him. So comment on that example (aka that he praises the "killing of some people" for the good of the nation, without other justification). That's all the DATA you have about him, and that's all you base on him. You know nothing else about him. Can you reply to that? geez.
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posted February 01, 2009 08:24 PM |
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From an objective measurement, or just because "well, we think that X and Y are better for people" (example: wealth). That is biased.
Certeris paribus, it is better to be rich than to be poor. That is objective.
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Can you reply to that?
What. Does. He. Say.
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posted February 01, 2009 08:27 PM |
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Certeris paribus, it is better to be rich than to be poor. That is objective.
Not really. Though most people agree with you (myself included), being rich has its downsides as well. For one, you'll be more popular and attract attention of the thieves and such.
Just wanted to point out that what you say is objective is in fact subjective.
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posted February 01, 2009 08:32 PM |
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Ah, but if you're rich, it's easy to give your money away - much easier than it is to gain money if you're poor. If you don't like being rich, you can easily impoverish yourself. But it's harder to enrich yourself if you're poor.
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posted February 01, 2009 08:38 PM |
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What if some terrorists will kidnap you even after you get rid of your money and force you to tell them how you got rich in the first place?
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posted February 01, 2009 08:41 PM |
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Mvass we are not talking whether you have more possibilities being rich, we are talking whether you have a better life -- which is subjective in this context. If you are an overly depressed person who wants to suicide, being rich won't help much with your quality of life.
As for that guy, forget it, it seems even quotes (aka "") are not enough for you to represent... well... what someone says.
Here was my point: instead of attacking him (or his viewpoint) for what he is (e.g: a commie), attack what he actually said. Only that part. Maybe he's a psycho who kills people because "the voices tell him so" and is for the good of the nation (well at least the voices tell him so, can't argue with that  ). See? (this was just an easy example, you can make a lot of interpretations, but why the hell bother? just reply to what he said, not to what he is).
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posted February 01, 2009 09:31 PM |
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What if some terrorists will kidnap you even after you get rid of your money and force you to tell them how you got rich in the first place?
You tell them.
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If you are an overly depressed person who wants to suicide, being rich won't help much with your quality of life.
Yes, it would. You can afford psychologists and psychiatrists and medicine - or, if you just want to end it, a gun.
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attack what he actually said
And yet you won't tell me what he said.
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posted February 01, 2009 09:37 PM |
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Yes, it would. You can afford psychologists and psychiatrists and medicine - or, if you just want to end it, a gun.
That doesn't solve it, you solve it by not being depressed in the first place, which is something different. Wealth doesn't always help, because it is SUBJECTIVE to every individual.
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And yet you won't tell me what he said.
It's on the previous freaking page 
I suppose this isn't clear enough for you, so I put it in red:
"Hey! It's not fair, why am I not so liberal? Shooting [specific] people for the good of the nation isn't restricting their freedoms! It's for the good of all for goodness' sake! These statistics suck!"
Now I added there "specific" just for kicks to make it more technical. Apart from the red (commie) color (), you can see, he doesn't talk about communism, so instead of attacking him for what he is (he may not even be a commie, it's just an example after all), attack what he said (or argue with it).
why is it that we always need to argue over trivial things for 100 posts until we get to the actual stuff? 
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posted February 01, 2009 10:51 PM |
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What if some terrorists will kidnap you even after you get rid of your money and force you to tell them how you got rich in the first place?
You tell them.
That was not my point
My point was that if you were not rich you weren't kidnapped in the first place (let's say it was painful or something to make it worse)
I was just saying that kidnapping  negative. And, you were kidnapped because you were rich in the first place and attracted attention. Which leads to rich negative (of course, in this specific case)
Also, being rich has a lot of advantages as well, which depends on the individual if they consider the advantages to outshine the disadvantages. The point is: you can never say that being rich is objectively better than being poor. Everything is relative and depends on the individual
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posted February 01, 2009 11:04 PM |
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That doesn't solve it, you solve it by not being depressed in the first place
Huh? You don't solve a problem by not having it.
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"Hey! It's not fair, why am I not so liberal? Shooting [specific] people for the good of the nation isn't restricting their freedoms! It's for the good of all for goodness' sake! These statistics suck!"
Then you explore their specific beliefs and explain to them why they are wrong.
Asheera:
Regardless, here we're referring to the average citizen. Just because the average American is richer than the average Zimbabwean doesn't mean that he's more likely to be kidnapped. (Rather, the opposite is true.)
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posted February 02, 2009 04:02 AM |
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The Issue
After waning sales, the well-established soda company 'Eckie-Ecola' has appealed to the government for the right to use powerful mind-altering drugs in their products.
The Debate
1. "It'll be great," says Thomas Steele, the CEO of Eckie-Ecola. "Nice 'n' happy floating feelings all in a can, and all for just one Mage! It's not the healthiest drink I admit, but what people want to do with their bodies is their own business. If you ban this beverage, you're only denying the citizens of their right to be exposed to the true hallucenogenic experience!"
2. "This can't go ahead," argues Violet Jefferson, a nurse at one of Mamga's hospitals. "Drugs are, and always will be, one of the greatest threats to the nation's physical and mental health! My job's hard enough as it is without having the wards overrun by patients who were stupid enough to drink the damned stuff. The distribution of drugs must be strictly controlled by the government and kept for medicinal uses."
This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.
3. "If you ask me," says Peggy Love, from behind a cloud of smoke. "We should just let everyone have drugs for free! If the government legalised and subsidised all these 'bad' drugs and gave 'em out to everyone, all our problems would be solved! There'd be no more drug traffickers, or thugs robbing old ladies to feed their addictions! 'Course there'd be a bit of a detrimental effect healthwise and to the drug industries, but the beauty of it all is that everyone will be too doped up to care!"
We all know its true
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posted February 02, 2009 02:30 PM |
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Okay, I'm completely against subsidies and corporate welfare, but Mvassland is the most subsidized.
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posted February 02, 2009 02:36 PM |
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I think this is based on how much you spend on Business.
If you play NS 2 you'd know what I'm talking about.
Also, Issues regarding Business spending are pretty rare... but you're ancient (Mvassland) so I don't think that's the problem.
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posted February 02, 2009 03:08 PM |
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posted February 04, 2009 03:26 PM |
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Now I'm really pissed. How come I'm on 5th place on the rich-poor gap?
It isn't the economy either (since the game is simplistic), see the Spam Virgins vs Skama thing.
I am in a BS situation. Why am I on 5th place? I answered the issue with the 100% income taxes for the rich TWICE already. 
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posted February 04, 2009 03:29 PM |
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Chill out
finally you experience as well some troubles with how this game calculates some things
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posted February 04, 2009 03:38 PM |
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Ah I see Mvass has business subsidies too and it's the opposite of what he wants.
I feel better now
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posted February 04, 2009 08:32 PM |
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Why did my government size increase just as I built more skate-parks?
This game works in mysterious ways
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