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madmartigan
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posted July 07, 2005 05:32 PM |
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Terror strikes London
God damn all those who attack innocent civilians.
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privatehudson
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posted July 07, 2005 07:25 PM |
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Just to clarify something, I live nowhere near London, so don't ask me if I'm alright 
Pretty nasty affair all round. In my job I take calls from across the UK all day, and a few were from London. The consensus was basically that if Hitler couldn't bring London to it's knees then they'll be damned if they let these scum do it.
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posted July 07, 2005 07:40 PM |
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Man i just woke up, click Firefox..and i see like a big news article about it, my first thought was Privatehudson...didnt he live in London? Then i woke up some more, and i remember him saying he lived somewhere else.
Anyways, i am really lost on words. I guess this gives Bush and Blair more reasons to continue the war...yay.
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posted July 07, 2005 07:44 PM |
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Awwwwww it's nice to be cared about
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posted July 08, 2005 05:55 AM |
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I Once Heard It Said . . .
"Nobody wakes up and decides, exactly, 'this is how I'm going to muck with the world today'. They muck it up the way that they have inevitably chosen to. It's a chain of events that initially begins with the ill-fated intentions of the criminally-mischievous few. God willing, they shall not rue the day; lest we find ourselves trodden by the long shadow of hopelessness. We are, all of us, heroes from deep within our hearts. There it is, sitting on your mantle, that thing we call courage. Remember it always."
~Jake Batchelor
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posted July 13, 2005 01:39 AM |
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Has anyone also heard about the bomb that went off in turkey? Has anyone been touched by the fact every 3 secs a child dies in africa from hunger? They had wonderful advertisements for the LIVE 8. "What if it happens in London - 50,000 in one day?" Well, it wasnt 50 thousand, it was just 50, and still all the world mourns.
Dont wanna be taken the wrong way, I mean I respect the victims and all that. But as long as we treat political events as traedies, while treating tragedies as political events, we deserve it.
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privatehudson
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posted July 13, 2005 09:00 AM |
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Has anyone also heard about the bomb that went off in turkey? Has anyone been touched by the fact every 3 secs a child dies in africa from hunger?
Yes and yes.
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They had wonderful advertisements for the LIVE 8. "What if it happens in London - 50,000 in one day?" Well, it wasnt 50 thousand, it was just 50, and still all the world mourns.
Of course it does, innocent people dying is always a tragedy, and it's only human nature and the press that is why the deaths in London get so much attention.
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Dont wanna be taken the wrong way, I mean I respect the victims and all that. But as long as we treat political events as traedies, while treating tragedies as political events, we deserve it.
That kind of statement is very hard to not take the wrong way.
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posted July 13, 2005 03:33 PM |
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Because of crap politics always innocents hurts... Bush and Blair are responsibles for innocents blood...thats lame , i wish they find terror cells in london.
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posted July 13, 2005 11:42 PM |
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PH,
I think what Svarog is saying is that if 50 people die because of terrorism and 50 thousand die because of starvation in a 3rd world country, the first one will get the media because we have something to blame: bin laden.
In the case of starvation, who do we have to blame? Only ourselves for not helping, and since no one wants to hear that, it doesn't sell.
So in the end, if terror strikes, it's because it will get the media attention the terrorists want, and that is caused by what we want to hear, how much it will sell. And that too, is our fault, sadly.
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privatehudson
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posted July 14, 2005 12:19 AM |
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i wish they find terror cells in london.
Evidence suggests the cells were based in Leeds actually.
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I think what Svarog is saying is that if 50 people die because of terrorism and 50 thousand die because of starvation in a 3rd world country, the first one will get the media because we have something to blame: bin laden.
In the case of starvation, who do we have to blame? Only ourselves for not helping, and since no one wants to hear that, it doesn't sell.
The media prints news it thinks people want to hear about and care about. It's naturally going to report more about London because British people have been involved directly. Many readers of the paper will have relatives or friends caught up in the mess. On the other hand when it's likely to sell more copies, papers do report on issues like 3rd world debt, and by and large report it as it is. Also as much as people might like to suggest it, the problem lies not just in the west but with the countries themselves, and therefore it is not just the west to blame. So I doubt your analysis about the media's motivations holds true frankly.
I don't particularly care what was meant by the comment, I just find it distasteful to say "Gee sorry that sucks... but you had it coming though". Tradgedies happen all the time it's true, but we shouldn't hold back our sympathy for victims of one of those tragedies because of the others. Whatever your disclaimer Svarog, the comment is still poorly put across and badly timed.
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posted July 15, 2005 01:42 AM |
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Whatever your disclaimer Svarog, the comment is still poorly put across and badly timed.
I've never been particularly crafty with political correctness. Better stay that way, cos some matters are too serious to be watered down with such stinky solvents.
Yes, its only naturally that the press in Britain would give much more attention. But what its not ethical is that the press in other countries drmatize it to an equal extent, at the same time ignoring other countries, like the lives of people who die there are worth less. Sadly, we never see headlines for three days when theres a terrorist attack in Iraq, Sri Lanka, Philipines or wherever.
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Tradgedies happen all the time it's true, but we shouldn't hold back our sympathy for victims of one of those tragedies because of the others.
Nor shoould we ignore some tragedies, just because they happen in "unimportant" places. I'm not holding back my sympathy. I'm just saying that judging by how the world press and more importantly, the political elite treats occurences round the globe, we can conclude that one life of a British citizen is worth 1000 lives of people in Africa. Also, the point is not whether its those countries fault (which it sure is to a great degree), but the attention we give to such much bigger tragedies which happen before our eyes and we dont care to notice. In term of numbers, I can word this event considering its implications to be primary a political event than a tragedy. At the same time, starvation in Africa and the G8 summit because of the lack of serious political implications is a terrible tragedy firstmost and uttermost.
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posted July 15, 2005 09:16 AM |
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I've never been particularly crafty with political correctness. Better stay that way, cos some matters are too serious to be watered down with such stinky solvents.
There's nothing politically correct about simple sympathy. How interesting that so few are able to offer theirs without a disclaimer attached to it.
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I'm not holding back my sympathy. I'm just saying that judging by how the world press and more importantly, the political elite treats occurences round the globe, we can conclude that one life of a British citizen is worth 1000 lives of people in Africa.
In your whole post your only remark that even seemed like you cared came with the provision that well... tough you deserved it. That's why it's hard to take your remarks the "right" way.
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Also, the point is not whether its those countries fault (which it sure is to a great degree), but the attention we give to such much bigger tragedies which happen before our eyes and we dont care to notice
Actually I find more interesting the point that of all the members here, in a week barely 4 took an interest at all, and barely any worry or sympathy expressed by some.
I certainly also think that we in the UK do give a good deal of attention to the other tragedies when they happen. I cannot speak for what your or any other press does of course though.
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In term of numbers, I can word this event considering its implications to be primary a political event than a tragedy
When we turn any tragedy into primarily a political event we are as guilty as those who do the same over Africa, no matter the scale. It may have been done for political reasons, but we shouldn't treat our reaction to it the same.
I'm sure if I'd come online after the bombings of Kossovo, or the massacres during the wars in the 1990s and said "well it's all just politics, and you kinda brought it on yourselves, and hey people are dying in Africa too, so why think about it so much and call it a tragedy" you'd have been pleased too.
I'm sure you'd find that distasteful (as would I and wouldn't make them), as I found your original remarks distasteful. Feel free to make what excuses about the press you like, but politically incorrect is not the same as justified.
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posted July 15, 2005 09:32 AM |
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Well..better late then never.
My sympathies go out to the victims . I've heard on the news that one of the perpetrators was just a kid..
I wonder what makes someone commit such a horrible act.
For me it remains a mystery and frankly all these things happening is making me more and more afraid for the future.
Also I'd like to add that I'm surprised that this little members responded to this thread ..something to be worried about is when people become apathic.
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posted July 15, 2005 02:11 PM |
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All I can say to this "that people never learn"
why is all around world so much tragedies so much pain?Why cant nobody learn from the past that the wars will resolve nothing?It is all because of the greed ,the greed in the people which destroys our world.In future when the people will understand all of this and there will be no greed and anger,there will be no World,there will be nothing,because it will be too late.
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posted July 15, 2005 02:26 PM |
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PH, I remember when I made a thread about the sudden death of our former President, you were the only one to respond and give compassion. So dont be amazed by the small number of people responding. As cruel as it sounds, tragedies are measured in numbers.
I honestly feel sorry about the innocent victims of the attacks. I hope you dont have a close relative in there.
How is the public opinion in the UK at the moment? Is there a lot of fuss going around about pulling out of Iraq?
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posted July 15, 2005 06:54 PM |
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As cruel as it sounds, tragedies are measured in numbers.
Regretably true with regards to media and government, we should all therefore do our part to ensure we do not take it the same way.
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I honestly feel sorry about the innocent victims of the attacks. I hope you dont have a close relative in there.
Fortunately not, my nearest relatives live about 70 miles away and are retired now, but before that they used to work in London.
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How is the public opinion in the UK at the moment? Is there a lot of fuss going around about pulling out of Iraq?
Not really no. Mostly this hasn't changed anyone's mind with regards to Iraq, just as the Madrid bombings had little affect on voters in Spain. People in London are worried that the city was so exposed, but are generally defiant that the terrorists will not have their way.
People are however very worried that the terrorists are homegrown, and I'm a little concerned at the potential backlash that this might bring. A nearby (ie 3 miles from my house) mosque was firebombed on Friday, probably because of the perception of collective guilt that some people tend to have. Blair has promised to enact tougher laws against religious leaders preaching hate in the wake of the attacks.
Mostly people just realise that withdrawing from Iraq now that we are there will likely not resolve these problems anyway. From what has been released so far, it seems that the biggest issue has been Israel and the former Yugoslavia (Apparently depending on how you read it, last Thursday was the 10th anniversary of a massacre during the wars there). Iraq has certainly brought the issue perhaps more to the fore, but the problems that have caused these acts run deeper than one event in my opinion.
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posted July 16, 2005 12:21 PM |
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How is the public opinion in the UK at the moment? Is there a lot of fuss going around about pulling out of Iraq?
While I didn't support the initial inavsion of Iraq,
I certainly don't support pulling out just because of
a few bombs. After all, that is what the terrorists are
trying to accomplish with all of this. Giving in to
them would be a big mistake, and only give them further
reason to try to influence policy in Western countries.
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Because of crap politics always innocents hurts... Bush and Blair are responsibles for innocents blood...thats lame , i wish they find terror cells in london.
Fine, lets not also forget to talk about the crap religious philosophy that allows Imams and the other Muslim leaders to preach violence.
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posted July 19, 2005 02:09 PM |
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Fine, lets not also forget to talk about the crap religious philosophy that allows Imams and the other Muslim leaders to preach violence.
!! this is what they want to believe fools like you... killing the creation of God is the primary sin in muslims... well whatever you already marked 1,5 billions ... full crap ...
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posted July 19, 2005 02:35 PM |
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Fine, lets not also forget to talk about the crap religious philosophy that allows Imams and the other Muslim leaders to preach violence.
!! this is what they want to believe fools like you... killing the creation of God is the primary sin in muslims... well whatever you already marked 1,5 billions ... full crap ...
Let me rephrase this....
He wants to tell you that you are a victim fooeld by the propaganda. Unlike your claims, these "imams" you talk about preach that "killing the creation of God is the primary sin in muslims..." not the crap you claim.
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There is this kid. One day he finds a black cup while playing in their backyard. He takes the cup to his father and asks: "What color is this cup, daddy?" "It's white" answers the father. He, then takes the cup to his mother: "Mom, what color is this cup?". His mother tells him that the color of the cup is white.
The other day, this kid takes the cup to school. He shows it to his teacher. The teacher tells him "It is a white cup that you are holding". He shows the black cup to his friends. All of his friends agree that the cup is absolutely white.
The kid, assured that the color he sees on the cup is white, throws the cup away.
At home, his father wants to test if his son has learned the color white or no. He calls for his son, and shows him his black t-shirt and asks: "What color is my shirt, son?" The kid answer immediately: "It is white, daddy"
And they live happily ever after.
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Now, Shiva's telling hamsi that imams preach violance is like him showing hamsi a red t-shirt and telling him that it is white.
On the other hand, similary, hamsi's telling Shiva that imams preach world peace is like him showing Shiva the same red t-shirt and telling that it is black.
Whose at fault here? Hamsi or Shiva? In my opinion both are right. Because, they both were shown a red t-shirt. One of his father told him that it is black, the other's told him that it is white. That is my point of view.
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posted July 19, 2005 03:24 PM |
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Madmartigan, I accept that Bush and Blair lie, some
of the time, just as I accept that some, not all, maybe
just a few, muslim leaders incite violence. There
are grave deceptions being practiced on both sides.
For instance, how about the rumor circulating the
British bombed themselves to further their political
aim? Now if that isn't propaganda trash then what is?
Hamsi,I don't condemn all Muslims, but those who promote
violence in the name of God. In fact, God is on
nobodies or everybodies side. Hearing Al-Quedic
pronouncements interspersed with "praise be to Allah"
and the like strikes me as the biggest blasephemic
boast of them all. Its one thing to have a revolutionary
cause, its another to think you are carrying out the will
of the divine being by doing this. If killing is the primary sin in Islam, then how can anybody say they are acting in the name of God?
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