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zsa
zsa


Famous Hero
posted September 09, 2001 06:04 PM

ArchDevils

StormWarning why do you consider ArchDevils the worst lvl 7 creature? Sure , they're a little over priced but one on one , same number of troops, they defeat the titans , black and gold dragons , chaos hydra , ghost dragon and phoenix.

I had battles when those devils saved me, and other 7th level creatures couldn't of.
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Viper
Viper


Known Hero
Lord of Black Magic
posted September 09, 2001 08:28 PM

I agree with Zsa, you shouldnt forget about Devils

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Camelnor
Camelnor


Famous Hero
Also known as Blue Camel
posted September 10, 2001 03:42 AM

arch devils.... DONT beat black dragons... period

i dunno where that came from.
and even if they DID beat black dragons 1 on 1, black dragons are 20 times better because of spell immunity...

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zsa
zsa


Famous Hero
posted September 10, 2001 05:43 PM

Ha HA Ha HA Camelnor,
If u really wanna know , the arch devils kick the crap out of the blacks one on one ;and yes black Dragons are better in the overall picture but I didn't argue with that.

If u don't belive me , try it in map editor!
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StormWarning
StormWarning


Promising
Famous Hero
Archmage of Thunder
posted September 11, 2001 12:00 AM

Ok, Arch Devils are bad for this:

Health - this is where they stink. Especially when you face Castle, these guys go down fast.
Speed - good, but Inferno has plenty of other fast units so it's less of a help. (Inferno actually has the highest average speed, I think.)
Attack/Defense - it's definitely a first-tier lvl7 with this, but these aren't the most important stats.
Damage - poor. The Phoenix and Hydra tie it here, but nobody is worse.
Cost - :eek: I could pay less than that for two Phoenixes! This, along with health, brings them down.
Specials - No retaliation is excellent, but when you're badly overmatched it won't win the fight for you. -1 luck is a joke of a special (bad luck has no effect), and hating a creature that will kick its rear end anyway is not really useful. (Come to that, hating a creature isn't useful regardless of whether it will dish out a rear-kicking or be on the receiving end of one.) When you compare it to the Phoenix's self-resurrect in a close match, or the Hydra's all-around strike and no retaliation in a full-scale brawl, or the Ghost Dragon's aging abiliy which can quickly turn the tide when it hits, it's clear why I hate the Arch Devil. My more objective numerical ranking system places them 7th (ahead of Phoenixes and Ghost Dragons), but among the worst in the game for cost-effectiveness (in the same level as Naga Queens and Magma Elementals, but slightly better than Imps).
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zsa
zsa


Famous Hero
posted September 11, 2001 04:59 AM

Ponderings

Almost all the arguments you brought are true but I do not think the Chaos Hydra or Ghost Dragon are better than the arch.

Hydra - slow (really major setback) , low def att , low damage the only thing good about those thing is that it has no enmy retal and attacks all troops near it. I mean till they reach the oter side it takes some time. And yes they are a lot cheaper but they are nowhere close to the archdevils.

And the ghost dragon - well, same health , extremely low att def (while the ArchDevil is second , after the archangel , at the same level with the gold dragon, in the att def section of course), lower speed , very low damage ( yes the Devil too but those ghost dragons don't have no retal). The only thing good about ghosts is that they age troops.
A good thing but... I've had battles when age didn't come and the dragons were simply , well ... CRAP.


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Oldtimer
Oldtimer


Honorable
Supreme Hero
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posted September 11, 2001 05:14 AM

If the age special happened more often then the ghost dragons would be the most powerful creature in the game.  I wonder if the designers knew that it wouldn't happen as much it should.
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eidolon
eidolon

Tavern Dweller
posted September 11, 2001 09:13 AM

AA - the best

it's also very important that you can find more Angels on the map in the griffin conservatory this way you can easily double or sometimes even triple the number of your level 7 creatures compared to your opponent.
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ThE_HyDrA
ThE_HyDrA


Admirable
Famous Hero
The Leader of all Hydras
posted September 19, 2001 12:24 PM

Ok

I'll just hurry up and give you my ratings.
These are all in 1-1

1. Ancient Behemoth (Just too many HP, so much damage)
2. Black Dragons (Capable of beating AA's)
3. Arch Angel (Overrated, not really that good. (good A and D, but not many HP)
4. Gold Dragon (Good, fast, all around lv 7)
5. Chaos Hydra (With no enemy retaliation, and attacking all adjacent units, it's in a league of it's own here)
6. Titan (Not enough damage, but otherwise quite good)
7. Arch Devil (not enough HP-only good thing-fast)
8. Ghost Dragon (not enough HP, not good damage- Angel and Hydra can beat it)
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Kruel
Kruel


Adventuring Hero
Gropabo
posted September 19, 2001 04:08 PM

Ancient Behemoth RULES


Ancient behemoth is the best, simply because of quality compared with price. The only that can beat them 1 on 1 are titans because they're shooters, and with the use of haste the AB wins.
Everyone says Archangel, but they're so expensive !
5000 gold, plus 3 gems when playing SOD (sic) compared with 3000 gold and 1 crystal. Moreover the building is cheap, they have highest HP, they deal huge damage with the combined effects of their speciality, offense and high attack number of every respectable stronghold hero.

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Obsidian
Obsidian

Tavern Dweller
Mind Invader
posted September 25, 2001 03:30 AM

  I'll stick to the best 4 level 7 creatures...( overall stats - not one on one ) :
       1. BD ( hits 2 creatures with one blow - all spell imunity )
       2. AA ( Speed!!! - Resurrection )
       3. GD ( Same as BD - only lev. 4 )
       4. CH ( No enemy ret. - hits all units around it - must use Haste or (Teleport - lev 4 harder to get ! )

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StormWarning
StormWarning


Promising
Famous Hero
Archmage of Thunder
posted September 26, 2001 12:38 AM

Teleport's only level 3 (IMO one of only 2 useful level 3 spells, including Anti-Magic), and in Fortress it comes fairly often. Usually you'll have some mix of Anti-Magic, Earthquake, Teleport, and Frost Ring, with Fireball popping up every now and then. Hypnotize and Misfortune appear occasionally too. That makes Hydras useful - they can get into the thick of the battle easily enough if you get Teleport, and once they're there they're good troops. (Wow, three words that sound exactly the same in a row!)
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SirDunco
SirDunco


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted September 27, 2001 05:05 AM

Best:Archangel
Favorite:Golden Dragon
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Nyarlathotep
Nyarlathotep

Tavern Dweller
posted September 27, 2001 08:56 PM

Difficoult to choose...

VERY difficoult indeed! My fave is probably Titans... they´re the best ranged attack there is in the game & the mindspell immunity is at quite useful thing!
The only negative thing i can think of relating to these Titans are that the cloud temple is quite expensive to upgrade and so are the Giants...

Paradoxically enough i´ll mention Black Dragons almost in the same breath, again because of the mindspell immunity!

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Darkspirit
Darkspirit


Famous Hero
aka Zutus
posted September 27, 2001 09:09 PM

I keep on hearing everyone say that dragons rule, well I don't think so. I just hate the fact that you can't resurrect them. They would be better if beneficial spells would affect them, but that would really unbalance the game, I think. You might as well not upgrade green and red dragons!  As for my favourite, I say titans. They rock in siege-battles. Maybe only for the fact that those towers are so stupid to attack them, leaving my other precious archers alone!
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StormWarning
StormWarning


Promising
Famous Hero
Archmage of Thunder
posted September 27, 2001 11:03 PM

Quote:
Titan (Not enough damage, but otherwise quite good)



What, average of 50 isn't enough damage for you? No other creature does more damage on average, and Titans have the highest potential damage and the second-lowest minimum damage (behind AAs). If that's all that's holding you back, then Titans should be higher.
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DarkTitan
DarkTitan


Promising
Famous Hero
posted September 29, 2001 02:31 AM

good!

Quote:
I'll just hurry up and give you my ratings.
These are all in 1-1

1. Ancient Behemoth (Just too many HP, so much damage)
2. Black Dragons (Capable of beating AA's)
3. Arch Angel (Overrated, not really that good. (good A and D, but not many HP)
4. Gold Dragon (Good, fast, all around lv 7)
5. Chaos Hydra (With no enemy retaliation, and attacking all adjacent units, it's in a league of it's own here)
6. Titan (Not enough damage, but otherwise quite good)
7. Arch Devil (not enough HP-only good thing-fast)
8. Ghost Dragon (not enough HP, not good damage- Angel and Hydra can beat it)


yeah but titan is stronger than a chaos hydra one on one so i think titan should be 5th
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Zune
Zune


Adventuring Hero
of Tatalia
posted September 30, 2001 12:57 PM

It's difficult to decide which level 7 creature is the best, their advantages are very different from each other.

I think the Archangel is the best. Its advantage is easy to explain: Great attack, defence and speed. Resurrection ability is also good.

The Black Dragon is the best in some cases. The spell immunity is sometimes great, but I often find it annoying that I can't cast benefical spells on it.

The Chaos Hydra is maybe even more double-edged. No retaliation and 8-hex attack is great against big armies with many stacks, while in one-in-one combat the Chaos Hydra is weak.

The Ancient Behemoth is also good, but their defence is a bit too low. Compared to its price, however, I think the AB is the best creature.
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attila
attila


Known Hero
Young Warrior
posted October 02, 2001 02:33 AM

Of course Black dragons are best if you use spells. But if no spells a Ancient Behemouth beat all 1 vs 1. so take that
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The_Gootch
The_Gootch


Honorable
Supreme Hero
Kneel Before Me Sons of HC!!
posted October 02, 2001 06:02 PM

Archangel rules....  In one on one battles the Ancinet Behemoth wins at best 50% of the time.  Not bad but what else does it do?  The Archangel adds morale to your army and resurrects troops and allows you to go first most of the time in a battle.  As for hit points, while it doesn't have 300, it has its 30 defense to protect it.  It is the true lord of the battlefield.

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