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retropoet
retropoet

Tavern Dweller
posted February 10, 2002 09:18 AM

The "best" is a relative term.  It depends where the battle is, the heroes' stats, what else is on the battlefield, and numberous other things, no doubt.  As many of you have pointed out, in the end your favorite is the best.  I like gold dragons, because they look so good.
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posted February 10, 2002 10:20 AM

about that angel-ancient thing gootch, thats whithout heroes stats are kicking in, with heroes the ancients gain defense and the angels dont or only very few since the 80% reduction stays
as often said there is no best L7, only a best for the situation, ancients kick the most butt in huge battles with high stats thou, always
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Thunder
Thunder


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posted February 10, 2002 05:36 PM bonus applied.

Arch Angels
Resurrection ability really kicks in when you have an Expert Clone. Their high speed is definetly plus but it won't help much except against Stronghold, Tower and Conflux  as the rest of the Castle troops are rather slow compared to Arch Angels. Advantage of having fastest troop in the field will make certain that it is you who cast spell first or last. With Magic oriented hero the best spell to cast right away against more Might oriented hero usually is high damage spell like Implosion or Chain Lightning while spells like Mass Haste and Mass Prayer would help Might oriented (against Magic hero at least) hero most in the case they would be able to move all or most his or her troops before the turn of the opponent. In the case of the Castle this seldom is so.
Everyone should know how the blitz attack usually ends against Fortress. Every Dragon (Black, Gold and Ghost) moves right after the Arch Angels enabling the opposite to cast Slow, Dispel or Cure and to wear down your Arch Angels. Same applies against Inferno. Against Tower, Stronghold and Conflux blitz attack might be succesful.
If you decide to wait with your spell casting until it is the turn of the Arch Angels they will easily get blinded except against Conflux and Stronghold (and Stronghold won't wait). However, back to the Arch Angels, they will give +1 morale to all your troops which makes them along with their high speed the best mix creatures in the game.
High Attack and Defense does matter more than some people think, and Arch Angel have both at 30. With 30 attack and 50 damage they will do high damage. Hate-relationship with Devils is plus as the Devils will usually perish much faster than Arch Angels. Their main flaw is, of course, their cost. Furthermore, their building and the upgraded version of it costs together 40 000. Which is 10 000 gold more than any other 7th level building. Their health is average.

Black Dragons
Strengths (and weaknesses) of the Black Dragons is their magic immunity (which makes them resistant to hostile spells like Armageddon and Implosion but also immune to beneficial spells as well) and their breath attack (you can hit your own troops with them as well as opponent's so position them well). Along with those strenghts (and weaknesses) they have 300 health, 25 Attack and Defense and 15 speed. Quite good stats for a 7th level creature. They don't cost much either but getting their dwelling is another thing. You need all dwelling from 1st to 6th as well as 2nd level Mage Guild. Black Dragons are the traditional unit for Armageddon heroes.

Titans
There is no shooter in game that can compete with the Titans. They do a lot of damage (Attack 24 and damage 40-60) and they stand it a lot also (Defense 24 and 300 Health). And without melee penalty they keep being so. Their main weaknes is their high cost. Speed 11 is below average speed of 7th level creatures but it is still quite high and allows them to pick almost any target they want even if they are forced into the melee. Cloud Castle is the cheapest 7th level structure to build (not with upgrade of course), so when you can build it you can also afford to build it. Furthermore, Titans can't be blinded or berserked as they are immune to mind spells.

Phoenixes
Aside from their speed, they have bad stats for 7th level creature. But their cost and the fact that you get four of them each week makes them the best creatures of the game including the fact that they can reincarnate some of their numbers. They have breath attack. They are immune to fire  which along their high speed makes them perhaps the best choice for Armageddon hero and the best choice for hit and run hero. Despite the speed of the Phoenixes the blitz strategy seldom works for Conflux due to the speed difference of the Phoenixes and the rest of Conflux troops and due to the magic immunity of Magic Elementals. You will, practically looking, always have the opportunity to cast last or first in the given round as you don't have to fear blind.

Ancient Behemoths
The (town) creatures able to do most damage in the game. Due to their ability to reduce enemy troops defense their low attack skill is no hindrance. However, their low defense skill is but that is compensated little by the fact that the Ancient Behemoths have 300 health. Their slow speed for 7th level creature is hindrance if you don't have Mass Haste (or Prayer or Teleport). Their dwelling is easy to build and they don't cost much

Chaos Hydras
They are slow but that is the reason why there are such spells as Teleport, Prayer and Haste and skill like Tactics. They won't do much damage but letting them attack multiple targets will change that fact fast. Mass Bless on Fortress troops will increase the damage they (and Hydras) do incredible.  Alone they can't stand for much damage but with Beastmaster possessing high Defense skill along with Armorer secondary skill they do. In addition there is no retalition against them

Ghost Dragons
You don't necessarily need the damage Ghost Dragons do or the hitpoints they possess, but you need them. They are the fastest troop Necropolis has which alone makes them important. They are rather cheap also and when the special kicks in (especially on creatures with high health) it is nasty.

Arch Devil
Fast, good Attack and Defense skill, no retalition against them, low Health, poor damage. Although -1 luck isn't much, it is better than nothing. Their building isn't too hard to get but they cost a lot.

Gold Dragons
Although slightly inferior to Black Dragons, Gold Dragons have same damage, slightly better speed, Attack and Defense but have 50 hp less than their evil counterparts. Their dwelling is almost as hard to get as is Black Dragons' but Rampart doesn't need them as badly as Dungeon need theirs. Their magic immunity leaves room to Implosion which is the main reason why I think they are inferior to Black Dragons.

My Belated List of the 7th Level Creatures
1. Phoenixes
2. Arch Angels
3. Black Dragons
4-5. Titans
4-5. Gold Dragons
6. Ancient Behemoths
7-8. Arch Devils
7-8. Chaos Hydras
9. Ghost Dragons

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RedSoxFan3
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posted February 10, 2002 05:52 PM

Oldtimer said an example of how sacrifice can be used to turn 40 imps into 5 diseased Arch Devils with a spell power of 11. Arch Devils work the best when in combination to spells. I think that every Level 7 works very well when in combination with it's town.
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Thunder
Thunder


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posted February 10, 2002 05:59 PM

Indeed. None of the towns wouldn't get far without their 7th level creatures.
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Darion
Darion


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posted February 11, 2002 12:32 AM

I think Thunder deserves a quality point... I haven't seen nothing much like this! Good work.
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sos
sos


Known Hero
posted February 11, 2002 04:54 PM

My list

1. Phoenix (assuming 4/week)
2. AA
3. Titan
4. AD
5. AB
6. BD
7. GD
8. CH
9. Ghost

AD is my favorite tho. Only 1 AD can win you battles that no other unit can. Oh yea, and I dont like dragons much - check out out clan Dragon Hunters lol

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RedSoxFan3
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posted February 12, 2002 10:31 PM

How can Arch Devils win battles that no other unit can win?
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Fantusta
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posted February 13, 2002 01:00 AM

The best?  Isn't one, but if I HAD to pick, I'd say all things considered, Archangel.
The worst?  Again, isn't one, but again, if I HAD to pick, I'd say Ghost Dragons.  Great special, but you need SOMETHING to back it up, but they really don't.
My favorite?  Titans, by far.  Tower's my favorite town, and I just love that level-nine shooter prospect.

I don't have AB, so I didn't think about Phoenixes.
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sos
sos


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posted February 13, 2002 01:13 AM
Edited By: sos on 12 Feb 2002

To RedSox

Archdevil is fast and has no retaliation. A single Archdevil can beat any number of slow creatures like dendros, skellies, etc. With expert slow it can beat pretty much any reasonably slow non-shooter stack alone. Ever heard of wait-attack-retreat tactics?

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dragonsister
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posted February 13, 2002 03:28 AM

Quote:
Archdevil is fast and has no retaliation. A single Archdevil can beat any number of slow creatures like dendros, skellies, etc. With expert slow it can beat pretty much any reasonably slow non-shooter stack alone. Ever heard of wait-attack-retreat tactics?


It can carry out these tactics against faster creatures if the spell 'Forcefield' is added to the mix :-)

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dragonsister
dragonsister

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posted February 13, 2002 06:03 AM

Quote:
  The Gold Dragon is the unquestioned best seventh level unit with it's magic resistance and speed.


It's a good one, but with other people favouring different units, I really don't think you can say your opinion is 'unquestioned'!  :-)  I actually prefer green dragons to gold in many circumstances - simply and solely because I can resurrect the green dragons!

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Perji
Perji


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posted February 13, 2002 12:20 PM
Edited By: Perji on 13 Feb 2002

I don't get it? Why do you consider Titans a lev 7 creature? If you don't have arties or Precision, they do only half damage. And besides, this is about favourite lev 7. My fav is Black Dragon. If I could, I would insert here Azure Dragon, but he's level 10. So if AD is lev10, Faerie, Rust and Crystal are lev9, who is lev 8?
And another thing. I know that with high luck, the Dread Knights will do double damage more often. What do you need for the Ghost Dragons' special to kick in?
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Perji
Perji


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posted February 13, 2002 01:09 PM

Gee... thanx...I didn't know... where do I get that from?
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Perji
Perji


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posted February 13, 2002 01:19 PM

I know you were kiddin', I was too

But the effect of luck over double damage is true. Just try it and you'll know what I mean. I've seen it with my eyes. I had Expert Luck, The Clover of Fortune and something visited that gave me luck. Every second hit was double damage.
Heh, maybe if the Ressurect the ArchAngels cast could be random, the people around here would change their opinion.
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sos
sos


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posted February 13, 2002 08:45 PM

Having several double damage hits in one battle doesnt prove anything. If you have nothing better to do, you can setup a test map and try to back your claim with some data.

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Perji
Perji


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posted February 14, 2002 01:11 PM

Quote:
Having several double damage hits in one battle doesnt prove anything. If you have nothing better to do, you can setup a test map and try to back your claim with some data.

What data? Just try it yourself and you'll see I'm right.
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Odvin
Odvin


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posted February 17, 2002 04:17 PM

Do you really think that 1-on-1 test is proving everything? I think you should first look on the whole situation.
I never play for Conflux, but I think that Phoenixes are the best, because of their growth. Also, their speed gives you an assurance that you will move first. And their fire breath, resurrection, ...
In the other castles, Archangels are good, Titans can shoot (and so they're good too), Archdevils aren't very bad. Plus Chaos Hydra - it's powerful with its 7-head attack. And, of course, the Ghost Dragons are the worst. Oh I forgot bot the Behemoths. I think they're pretty good.
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posted February 17, 2002 06:03 PM

Being the black dragon goddess, i would have to say black dragons really, wouldn't I?
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attila


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posted February 17, 2002 10:25 PM

Of course Black dragons best without spells but without spells.  But without spells the Acient behemouth by far the best 1 on 1.  Cuse other wise all the stuff u said about other best lvl stuff its what ever faster is better cuse 1 spell could kill anything.

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