Well, how are you supposed to tell if a dragon IS male or female? It's not like you can zoom in on the indicated areas used for reproduction and tell it right off the bat.
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It may be ridiculous, but I really try to understand. Could you elaborate? Please.
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I was just laughing because it reminded me of a conversation I had with my hubby that day!
I totally understand why men tune out and it seems like they don't listen. Women can be emotional and nag (well if you did things the first time we asked, we wouldn't have to ) Anyway, after a while men learn it is best not to argue back (we are mostly right anyway ) so as a protective measure they aqcuire selective hearing . This is a physiological condition that sees the male evolve to a point where harmony can be reached
Unfortunately this also means that men may miss the coherent messages in the rant!!
Anyhoo, this is offtopic, I just wanted you to know that my laughing was not related to your posts. You definately seem to try to understand people in general.
BTW The whole women are mysterious thing works to our advantage, as does the changing our minds thing.
Quote:It was stupid to use the term "mystery" because of the pseudo-religious (and historical) connotations it involves.
You didn't mean it in the everyday sense of "the unknown"? That's how I took it.
Quote:And I don't think there is one female perspective. But on the other hand, I don't agree that gender is just like the lines that separate individuals. That individual differences are greater than gender differences doesn't mean that you can cross this line as easily as others and understand the other.
Maybe. I don't grasp why the gender line should be harder to cross-understand than other lines: culture, orientation, temperment, etc. It's just a pet peeve of mine when people throw up their hands and dismiss the other gender as incomprehensible. That, of course, is the exact opposite of what you're doing, so I'm just ranting. Sorry about jumping on it.
It's also off-topic insofar as I'm talking about dealing with individual people, whereas Ubi/Nival is dealing with large groups. Individual quirks may be of greater importance in daily interactions, but marketing is by definition concerned with generalities.
Quote:I believe gender is a fundamental aspect of experience and emotional reaction, but if you want to pin down in what it consists, you have to rely on social definitions of gender.
Agreed.
Quote:Listening to you, I realize that I would never have thought of how it is to wear those straps. And having listened I can picture some analogies, certainly, but in my terms that's still quite far from understanding because of the physical details involved - that's what I meant by the "mystery". And this is different from, say, not understanding the joys of fishing. Some things can only be understood by experiencing them. And language is also a social thing, though its uses may be highly individual.
True. And it's natural to overlook details on something that one has no experience with -- a jockstrap designed by a woman could easily be as uncomfortable as the red belt. That said...how gender-specific are words like "chafing, pinching, aching"? Sure, a man may not have the body parts in question, but I'd think analogies would be sufficient.
Quote:(Btw one of the last books I read happens to be a collection of essays by Judith Butler. (Aha!) Some other: Who has fathomed the essential meaning/ of our earthly flesh?/ Who can tell,/ that he understands the blood? Bodies are much more "mysterious" than minds imo.)
There we must agree to disagree, perhaps. Bodies have their wonder, for sure, but I find the mind+spirit a more fascinating mystery. Most interesting of all are the borderlines -- where body influences mind and vice versa. Gender is one of those great topics where body meets mind, and individual meets society, and we (general) are still trying to sort out the tangle of influences.
Quote:(Btw I like playing roles, that's obvious. But what I like best is playing roles and being honest at the same time.)]
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Kookastar
Thanks. I'd like to counter the selective hearing, but I ran out of speech, since neighbourhood field research indicates you're generally right. I don't like to think of it as being in the genes, though.
Khaelo
I think temperament can be understood (not always, unfortunately) by extrapolation of what we've experienced ourself (as opposed to analogy). Understanding different cultures is more difficult, but as long as the culture is not extinct, you can achieve more than an analogous understanding not only by extrapolating, but by living among that culture. Understanding past cultures is perplexing because there's also a different horizon of expectations involved. (I'd pay a lot to time-travel to my father's childhood household once.) But I agree that there are lines that are just as hard to cross as the gender line. My world has many "mysteries".
Quote:Most interesting of all are the borderlines -- where body influences mind and vice versa. Gender is one of those great topics where body meets mind, and individual meets society, and we (general) are still trying to sort out the tangle of influences.
I wholeheartedly share your viewpoint and that specific interest - and what you say about the roles. The women-designed jockstrap is a different matter, in fact I could imagine it to be more comfortable than others and I'd gladly give it a try. That's where the symmetry ends, I fear. (And what if we find out it was a woman who desined the dungeon heros? Unprobable, I admit. )
Do you think Nival/Ubi will read this and (hopefuly) change some stuff, especialy she who has become known as the red strap heroine?
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Aculias
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posted March 20, 2006 09:21 AM
I think the men should be fully clothed like if they were in snow terrain.
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The Women should have a 2 piece or less as if they were on fire terrain
Yeah !!! that would be very nice But 2 piece of clothe is to mush, i would say maby 1 for for the botome part and they hair to cover the uper part !!!!! then Heroes would be an amazing Game
ComradeX
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posted March 20, 2006 08:35 PM
What's up with you you horny devils?! is HOMM V all about sex? if you want a game that has nudity and sex in it, HOMM V is the wrong adress! this is a strategy game, and its revolutionary great 3D graphics are meant to create every little detail of the creatures phisical appearance, but I think that there are some details it should not show us.
If some of the things you are saying were integrated into the game it would shorly get R18+ rating. Who wants that? that is only a nuicense, but still, we must all remember that the game is about strategy, fantasy and fun (not that kind of fantasy and fun!) and not sex. And besides, these are only computer generated visuals, not real people, so no reason to be horny!
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Quote:What's up with you you horny devils?! is HOMM V all about sex? if you want a game that has nudity and sex in it, HOMM V is the wrong adress! this is a strategy game, and its revolutionary great 3D graphics are meant to create every little detail of the creatures phisical appearance, but I think that there are some details it should not show us.
If some of the things you are saying were integrated into the game it would shorly get R18+ rating. Who wants that? that is only a nuicense, but still, we must all remember that the game is about strategy, fantasy and fun (not that kind of fantasy and fun!) and not sex. And besides, these are only computer generated visuals, not real people, so no reason to be horny!
I acculy totaly agree with you , But I sad all those thinks b/c , when ppl start with the Feminist Stuff it just put me out of rage ! but i totaly agree the game should be about fun and fantasy and not about Sex
ComradeX
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posted March 20, 2006 09:04 PM
Yes Wizy, I agree with you on the femminists. Some of them are a bit to extreme and radical in their oppinions. Yes, most man may be horny, unfaithfull, and preffer drinking beer with their buddies during a football game then spend time with their sweet heart, but you can't say all men are like that!
There are "typical" men like there are "typical" people of anything, of sex, of race, of nationality... you just can't say "all men are scum" like you can't say "all women should stay in the kitchen" or other stupid things like that.
There are many good men out there, and you can't just rule every man out only because of the fact he was born with a thingy between his legs!
Some femminist tend to be radical, which is wrong, like everything else when radical, but there is basis to their anger. Women have been opressed for many centuries, and today there are many shovenist men, even more then extreme feminist women. So next time you see\hear\meet an ideological feminist, try reasoning with her, and not just get mad, as then you'll both get mad for nothing and only bicker even more.
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Aculias
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posted March 20, 2006 11:15 PM
You call us horny devils .
I am not the one making 20 replies on this thread about Feminist.
I would figure the point is accross by now.
You think I really give a crap if women or men are fully clothed or naked lol.
Who cares I will kill them the same as i would use them
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Now, have you already spotted this beauty? (And there's more where that can be found!) I think a topic discussion could go on. The Leatherstocking Ranger could also be a nice subject for an exchange of views. LOL. And the Dungeon Lord! Good heavens, what is that! More original than what came out of it, though.
P.S. Could you please make a separate thread for the whole nazi evil feminism nonsense? Even if feminism was evil, that's just not the issue here. And if you hate to read it, please don't! But don't post then, either.
I really like this pic. The power that eminates from her is fantastic. This is definately not a submissive female I would love to have her in my army. I think all aspects meet with the character. What are you concerned with most?
Anyway, that whole subject...it's old. Now we get some fuller pictures of heroes, it was to be expected, compared to the face-shots we got up till now.
I agree with everything except that. For me, the red strap heroine is just some mainstream thing. Some ways of indicating sex are just so wrought out or forced that they make my sexual humoral system shut down. That's the way I react. It's one of the mysteries of my body and I have to accept it.
Quote:Am I right or am I just a sick individual?
Quote:..both O_o
Meph
I think there is a misunderstandig. These are preliminary sketches for the creatures, as far as I know.
Kookoastar
I agree with everything you say. It's sad that the final game won't be quite like it. I think Ledroits succubus sketch is really great, inventive and very erotic. (I'm not so sure about the nymphs of the Cleopatra Vamp.) I especially like the fire whip, the signs on the body and the vagina wings. I don't like the rings and the genital cheesecloth (?), though, an additional fire would have been more appropriate. Anyways, I guess it would be perfect for an erotic fantasy comic, and for a fantasy computer game, it would still be great and a true HoMM progress if they had adopted more of it.
Aculias
Quote:Did that last sentence sound perverted
I won't say anything to that, but I certainly think that apart from it, you spoke the voice of focussed reason. Hope that's not an insult.
Loknar
Quote:And what if we find out it was a woman who desined the dungeon heros? Unprobable, I admit.
That was a pretty lame one. You knew Ledroit made the sketches, didn't you?
Quote:Add female Rangers.
See? Don't be so pessimistic.
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I like the succubus -- not so much the bikini, but her general attitude and that spectacular hair. Her legs are rather curious, ending as they do in hooves. Where does the armor stop?
How does Leatherstocking Ranger avoid tripping over his fringes? The Knight is nice insofar as he(?)'s obviously putting his armor to good use, he's wearing workboots, etc. It's harder to see that stylish + practical mix with the Blade Dancer. But, re: the interview, I do like the artist's blending of Celtic & American (Plains?) Indian elements for the Sylvan faction in general. Among the new heroes, Wyngaal looks like a refugee from a grammar-school drama department, but Anwen, the female Ranger above, is just gorgeous. The other female, Dirael, is a little too fairy-cutesy for my taste.
Skin art: Both the Blade Dancer and the Cleopatra Witch, whom I don't like, have spent some serious time under the tattooer's needle. The detail gets to be overwhelming, especially on the Dancer. I prefer the simpler patterns (succubus, pretty much all of the other Sylvans).
On second look, there are runes whisping off the Blade Dancer's blades, which is a clever way to indicate magical weapons. Also...what is the icon inside the large gem on his abdomen? It looks suspiciously like...well, let's just ask, are they making a sly comment on the old elf=hippie metaphor? Undercover humor is one of the things that I've missed from Nival's new darker vision of HoMM/MM. It would be nice to see it return. ____________ Cleverly
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ComradeX
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posted March 22, 2006 11:29 AM
Now that is a whole different thing. Those pictures are cool. The female ranger is a cool one and can be a good model for a nature hero. The Succubus is just crazy! it is cool and looks very powerfull. No complaints about the "swimsuit" outfit, as it is just the right size, and doesn't show what we shouldn't see. Just one thing bothers me: What's with the bird heads on the wings?
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posted March 17, 2006 07:27 AM
Could you elaborate? Please. 
) Anyway, after a while men learn it is best not to argue back (we are mostly right anyway 
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The women-designed jockstrap is a different matter, in fact I could imagine it to be more comfortable than others and I'd gladly give it a try. That's where the symmetry ends, I fear. 
