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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Spell probabilities by town type
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Rainalcar
Rainalcar


Promising
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Heroji su zakon
posted June 23, 2009 07:04 PM

Any news on this?
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Ecoris
Ecoris


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Supreme Hero
posted June 24, 2009 12:01 AM

Nay. I tried something that turned out too cumbersome. Since then I've had much else to do (in fact I haven't touched H3 for months). I may take another look at it sometime during this summer.
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darmo
darmo


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True Gentleman
posted June 24, 2009 11:00 AM

Anybody know what town has the biggest chance to get berserk?
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Ecoris
Ecoris


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posted June 24, 2009 08:09 PM

Necropolis.

The tables are displayed at the bottom of the first page of this thread.
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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted June 25, 2009 08:21 AM

2Ecoris: Good job. You have pretty strong brains to fullfil all the necessary calculations. Once again, respect.

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Rainalcar
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Heroji su zakon
posted June 25, 2009 12:15 PM

Likewise, during sommer heroes is far from my field of view.
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Barold
Barold

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posted July 07, 2009 09:34 AM

Great work, very useful.

--> ToC?

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culgil
culgil


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posted June 06, 2015 03:08 PM
Edited by culgil at 01:44, 07 Jun 2015.

Hey guys, very interesting thread.

Unfortunately, I cannot see the tables (I have no Imageshack account, also I guess imageshack introduced a paywall recently).
I suppose the numbers/tables are the same as in the Tribute to Stragists Guide?

The raw numbers to roll a spell would be intersting as well, but the link to Gamespot on first page doesn't work anymore (only numbers shown in text are raw numbers for Conflux on the first page).
Anyone knows where I can find them? I searched a good while but couldn't spot them on the web.
EDIT: second question solved (raw numbers extracted from game data via Resedit).

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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


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posted June 12, 2015 02:14 PM

Now I think those probabilities aren't as accurate as we expect them to be. It's not about calculations, they are all right. It's all about the model we agreed to use. There is a strong chance that the algorithm used in H3, which distributes spells amongst mage guild's slots, is at least as complex as it is in H2, if not even more sophisticated.

If you are interested, see what happens in H2 (sorry, have no time to translate into English).

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culgil
culgil


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posted June 13, 2015 11:19 PM

Thanks, Alex. Interesting, but quite complex!
So, the question is: How can we find out which algorithm is used in Heroes 3?
How did you manage to do so for Heroes 2?

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woj
woj


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posted June 18, 2015 08:42 PM

Binabik said:
Here's Conflux.
Level 4
Armageddon 0
Berserk 5
Chain 10
Clone 10
Counterstrike 5
Fire Shield 5
Frenzy 5
Inferno 10
Meteor 10
Prayer 5
Resurrection 5
Slayer 5
Sorrow 5
Town Portal 10
Water Walk 10



Armageddon 0, is this correct?

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Maurice
Maurice

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Part of the furniture
posted June 18, 2015 10:20 PM

woj said:
Armageddon 0, is this correct?


Yes, Armageddon is forbidden for Conflux. Curse, Death Ripple, Animate Dead and Sacrifice are also forbidden spells for Conflux and will never appear in their Mage Guilds through random chance. The only way to make those spells appear for Conflux Towns is to mark those specific spells as required spells to appear.

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TheFamiliarImp
TheFamiliarImp

Tavern Dweller
posted June 19, 2015 12:05 AM

I tried to put Dimension Gate in the mage guild in Rise of the Phoenix map to make it easier by editing the map and choosing a city and clicking on Dimension Gate but it doesn't show any level 5 spell in the game.

I tried ticking the boxes in all possible combinations in the town editor, I ticked it only under MUST appear, only under MAY appear, and under both, and always the same non-result.

Ultimately, I decided to just add the spell next to my town, and pick it up once I reach mage guild 5

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woj
woj


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posted June 19, 2015 12:10 AM

Thank you a lot. Berserk also super low chance. Seems fire magic is a crap choice for flux then.

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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted June 19, 2015 11:10 AM

TheFamiliarImp said:
I tried ticking the boxes in all possible combinations in the town editor, I ticked it only under MUST appear, only under MAY appear, and under both, and always the same non-result.


Besides the individual Town settings, there are also global spell settings, which can disable spells on a global level. You can find those in the menu, under map validation settings if I am not mistaken. By the way you describe it, the spell has probably been disabled on the map as a whole.

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woj
woj


Hired Hero
posted June 19, 2015 11:46 AM

can someone see those screens from bottom of 1st page? seems to me links are dead, can someone re-upload or link to place they are up?

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TheFamiliarImp
TheFamiliarImp

Tavern Dweller
posted June 20, 2015 02:14 PM

Maurice said:
TheFamiliarImp said:
I tried ticking the boxes in all possible combinations in the town editor, I ticked it only under MUST appear, only under MAY appear, and under both, and always the same non-result.


Besides the individual Town settings, there are also global spell settings, which can disable spells on a global level. You can find those in the menu, under map validation settings if I am not mistaken. By the way you describe it, the spell has probably been disabled on the map as a whole.


Yes, it has Fly and Dimension Gate banned. Makes sense too, the map is designed in such a way that having Fly/Dimension Gate really makes surprise attacks and traveling around too easy.

It's funny, because the initial reason I wanted Dimension Gate is to get back at the AI whom I thought used it, or fly, and kept going over mountains to harass me. Noob that I am, I couldn't find a way to counter him so I decided to start a new game, with me having Dimension Gate as well. Turns out he probably had an artifact Angel Wings, which has the same function as the fly spell.

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orc
orc


Famous Hero
posted July 13, 2016 04:07 PM
Edited by orc at 16:22, 13 Jul 2016.

Ecoris said:
I've done Conflux and Tower with Library now. I'll remove the old tables.





Hope that they'll prove to be helpful.



Edit by angelito
Very good work here. Sorry for the late reward. Well earned +qp!


Hello
I I think the images are broken. either way, where can we find the basic probabilities? the one I could find is this wiki but it has the final probability Final Percentages

I just want to mentally check the result in my head (its very easy to check 4th and 5th spells and no need for a program; there might be something wrong in the code, you know)

Edit: Also, I was surprised I couldnt find this information in the lazy wiki, should we put it there? (ofc when we find it)

Edit: I have another question as well. Does it matter if
(the spell slots are chosens slot by in slot in an order)
or if (all spells are chosen at the same time)
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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted July 13, 2016 04:58 PM

One thing that's interesting to note is that the game will also assign spells to some unavailable spell slots. To be precise, the savegame holds this information and has reserved 6 slots for each of Tiers 1 through 4 and 2 slots for Tier 5. This reservation is regardless of towntype. The only slots that are filled with actual spells are those that could be filled if the Town Type was Tower with Library. The unreachable slots are void, with garbage data.

In short, the savegame contains spell info based on Tier as follows:

Tier 1: 6 spells
Tier 2: 5 spells (1 garbage slot)
Tier 3: 4 spells (2 garbage slots)
Tier 4: 3 spells (3 garbage slots; for Stronghold and Fortress, they are empty instead)
Tier 5: 2 spells (for Castle, Stronghold and Fortress, they are empty)

Only Tower can "see" all spells in their Mage Guild, provided they have the Library built. For all other Towns, they can see 1 spell less; the last one in the list is never shown for them, despite being defined within the savegame data.
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orc
orc


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posted July 13, 2016 05:24 PM

wait, what do you mean by garbage slot and void? you mean that slots which we cants see? or that it is actually nothing there?
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