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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: worst creature for its lvl
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DaThuG
DaThuG


Hired Hero
posted October 05, 2006 05:37 PM

worst creature for its lvl

for me its like this
lvl1:imp
lvl2:hmmm...magogs
lvl3:wraiths
lvl4:maybe medusa.. can't think of any
lvl5:monks
lvl6:wyverns
lvl7:ghost dragons , no doubt

now u give ure oppinion too

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vhilhu
vhilhu


Famous Hero
We are NOT schysophren
posted October 05, 2006 06:03 PM

lvl 4: demon
you must have forgotten this one when you proposed medusa.

i agree about most else.

and actually, wyvern is a very good creature. while it is weak, it is cheap and can be accessed very early. in early game its one-of-a-kind neutral-clearer. its just that later it will be useless.

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russ
russ


Promising
Supreme Hero
blah, blah, blah
posted October 05, 2006 06:43 PM

lvl1:imp <- the absolute leader!!!

lvl2:ZombieZ!!! They the absolute leader here, I have no idea how can anyone name magogs!

lvl3:wraiths (although, orcs are pretty close)

lvl4:basilisks (medusas suck, but at least they can shoot... well, they sort of can )

lvl5:monks <- stupid 30 hp!!!

lvl6:manticores <- what a joke!!!

lvl7:bone dragons <- why are they even a level 7?

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vhilhu
vhilhu


Famous Hero
We are NOT schysophren
posted October 05, 2006 06:56 PM

yeah. i forgot zombies. gogs are really a miracle compared to those.

but basilisk as the worst lvl 4? demon is doubtlessy worse than basilisk.

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DaThuG
DaThuG


Hired Hero
posted October 05, 2006 09:37 PM

depends on how u think about it

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tenzor
tenzor


Adventuring Hero
posted October 05, 2006 10:46 PM

Quote:
for me its like this
lvl1:imp
lvl2:hmmm...magogs
lvl3:wraiths
lvl4:maybe medusa.. can't think of any
lvl5:monks
lvl6:wyverns
lvl7:ghost dragons , no doubt

now u give ure oppinion too


(neutral creatures exluded)
lvl1: gremlin (I think that +1 spd is more important than +1 attack)
lvl2: wolf rider or walking dead
lvl3: orc
lvl4: fire elemental / demon in ROE
lvl5: earth elemental / monk in ROE
lvl6: wyvewn
lvl7: behemoth (they are better than bone dragons if fighting against creatures with high defence but not general)

Of course, more important is what you get for your money, e.g. demon is not bad at all in this point of view..

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angelito
angelito


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted October 06, 2006 12:59 AM

1: Imp (70% more expensive than gremlins, 1 attack lower, lower growth)
2: Walking Undead (no other unit close...)
3: Wights (Orcs close, but can shoot)
4: Medusa (lowest hitpoints of all lev4 units, 4 shots..)
5: Monk (if not the 30 hp, they would be an OK lev5 unit)
6: Cyclop (stats are about the same (bad) as mantis and wyverns, but their dwelling is sooo expensive for a level 6, u rarely build it. Even on tougher maps and higher difficutly, u build behemots first...)
7: Bone Dragon (lowest hitpoints of all level 7, lowest skills
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hobowu
hobowu


Known Hero
posted October 06, 2006 05:26 AM

I always rank by upgraded forms...
1. familiar (maybe infernal trog, but troggies can't be blinded. Mana drain isn't that good in H3)

2. magogs (bbq your own troops so frequently, so usually you decided not to attack with them. Zombies are excellent if you're defending during a siege, their disease reduced attack and defense of the stack by 2.

3. wraiths (wraith bomb usable...but still makes them the worst, hp regen isn't too bad)

4. Greater basilisks (maybe ogre magi should take it's place here, but ogre magi have bloodlust to cast and great hp)

5. Zealot (1 hit get killed...)

6. Scorpicore (this is a level 6 unit now???)

7. Ghost Dragon (effective in age then DK double damage combo, but that's about it)

With expansions, energy elemental and magma elemental takes the place of lv 4 and 5 respectively. Conflux isn't as overpowered as everyone thinks it is...
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DragonLord3000
DragonLord3000


Known Hero
Romanian flamethrower
posted October 06, 2006 08:48 AM

Worst creatures:
Level 1: Familiares
Level 2: Zombies
Level 3: Wraiths
Level 4: Horned demons
Level 5: Zealots
Level 6: Wyverns
Level 7: Ghost dragon
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DaThuG
DaThuG


Hired Hero
posted October 06, 2006 01:59 PM

Quote:

lvl2: wolf rider or walking dead


man wolf riders are my favorite melee lvl 2 unit ... they attack TWICE plus they have good speed and hp ... what more do u need?

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liophy
liophy


Famous Hero
Bulgarian
posted October 06, 2006 02:17 PM

Worst creatures:
Level 1: Familiares
Level 2: Zombies
Level 3: Wraiths
Level 4: Horned demons
Level 5: Dendroid Soldiers
Level 6: Wyverns
Level 7: Ghost dragon

Nobody named Dendoids as weakest level 5 creaturs. But for me they are prety useless in comparison with the other level 5 creatures.

They are toooo slow. Dont help at all during development, half of the times you are attacked or have to attack without them.

Dendroids still are pretty usefull during siege and the +2 growth make up a little.

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maretti
maretti


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted October 06, 2006 03:54 PM

Against many towns rampart is superior in archery because the elfs are as strong as they are. In such cases the opponent will have to come to you and then you can really benefit from the dendroids ability to protect the elfs. Especially against a player who has dragons they are strong. In that case you place a 2 hex unit in front of the elfs so that the elfs cant be hit by the fire breath and then the dendroids next to the elfs. If the opponent attacks the dendroids to hit the elfs he basicly sacrifices his dragons. Besides that 65 hp is no joke.
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liophy
liophy


Famous Hero
Bulgarian
posted October 06, 2006 04:10 PM

Well Maretti, even though it was not that tight yestarday i could understand you point since those elfs and dendroids were the only danger to you army

My point is that on some ocasions you are not prepared for the fight. Either you are attacked before you can get all your army, or you must attack on the very next turn and you dont have time to get your army. Most of the times - you just dont have enought money to buy all the army in the town.

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angelito
angelito


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted October 06, 2006 04:17 PM

Dendroids are a great unit, even in first week. You can easily fight for level 6 or level 7 dwell. They bound the unis or drags with their speciality, so no attack vs your shooters in 2nd round. And 3 of them have 165 hp....tough stuff to kill.
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liophy
liophy


Famous Hero
Bulgarian
posted October 06, 2006 04:39 PM

I understand your point Angelito. On Jebus you WILL have dendroids on week on (you could aford them) and you will NEED them in order to open the level 7 dwelling.

But on other maps wouldnt you prefer faster unit to develope faster? And lets not forget that they will slow down your turn and you must not have them with you.

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willywonka
willywonka

Tavern Dweller
posted October 06, 2006 10:57 PM

I have the same idea about your Wyverns. They kinda rock the first 1-2 months. Try to get into dragon fly have to stockpile some more early on in the game.



Anyhow, you should download WOG 3.58f. It rocks.

Download it from here http://mm-world.gamesurf.tiscali.de/heroes3/WoG2.shtml

I love WOG. Makes Heroes 3 a lot of fun again.

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tenzor
tenzor


Adventuring Hero
posted October 07, 2006 12:44 PM

Quote:
Quote:

lvl2: wolf rider or walking dead


man wolf riders are my favorite melee lvl 2 unit ... they attack TWICE plus they have good speed and hp ... what more do u need?


Wolf Riders attack once and their stats are poor. You are talking about upgraded unit - Wolf Raider. BTW, good hp? 10 on level 2 upgraded? I guess you are joking

But if you want to compare upgraded units only, here is my list:
1: Master gremlin or Familiar
2: Zombie
3: Orc chieftain
4: Energy Elemental / Horned demon in ROE
5: Magma Elemental / Zealot in ROE
6: Cyclops King
7: Ghost Dragon

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tenzor
tenzor


Adventuring Hero
posted October 07, 2006 01:14 PM

Quote:
Dendroids are a great unit, even in first week. You can easily fight for level 6 or level 7 dwell. They bound the unis or drags with their speciality, so no attack vs your shooters in 2nd round. And 3 of them have 165 hp....tough stuff to kill.

Bounding is not bad, but cannot change the fact that dendroids are purely defensive units. I would never move them into hero's army because I really don't want to slow it down. Their place is behind the castle walls, along with dwarfs.

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DragonLord3000
DragonLord3000


Known Hero
Romanian flamethrower
posted October 07, 2006 03:32 PM

Would you send those silver pegasi into the enemy army instead?

I never sent them into the middle of the enemies armies when I was a expert in heroes3.Although they were the first to move in most battles,they died really really fast.

I think unicorns and dendroids are the best attack units,whitout the level 7 creature,respectively green\gold dragon.Centaur captains die pretty quick too.They are average attackers along with pegasi.attack creatures are unicorns and dragons.Elves do the shooting.Defense units are dwarfs,with the dendroids too....still they are pretty good in attack too
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maretti
maretti


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted October 07, 2006 03:51 PM
Edited by maretti at 15:59, 07 Oct 2006.

Quote:
I never sent them into the middle of the enemies armies when I was a expert in heroes3.


You were an expert in heroes3? When was that and what happend?
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