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Card_Ximinez
Card_Ximinez


Famous Hero
no
posted February 12, 2007 05:56 PM

My opinion:

1: Familiar
2: Zombie
3: Orc Chieftain or Wraith
4: Horned Demon or Silver Pegasi
5: Monk
6: Perhaps Scorpicore or Wywern
7: Bone Dragon

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yasmiel
yasmiel


Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
posted February 12, 2007 11:52 PM

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So, what lv6 creature do you think that worse than wyvern?


I find cyclops, manticores and sometimes even unicorns less usefull than wyverns..

And if we concentrate only on first 2 weeks, wyverns are prolly top 3 level 6 because they are very usefull in creeping due to availability on day 1-2.
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Evil_Warrior
Evil_Warrior


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Duke of Demon
posted February 13, 2007 07:15 AM
Edited by Evil_Warrior at 07:16, 13 Feb 2007.

Cyclops? maybe you're right. But Manticore?? what makes you think it worse than wyvern? moreover, the Unicorn?

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yasmiel
yasmiel


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Former Chessmaster
posted February 13, 2007 03:40 PM
Edited by yasmiel at 15:41, 13 Feb 2007.

I was talking about usefullness, not 1v1 strength.

Wyverns are part of an early game, manticores are not. Unicorns is just an opinion, i simply dont use them much at start.
Cyclops are the worst of the worst level 6 units unless you play on easy or rich map settings.

Dwelling cheapness and day 1 availability is what makes wyvs better than those units in my eyes.
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McFighton
McFighton

Tavern Dweller
posted February 13, 2007 09:19 PM


ysmiel, i agree with you totally
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GenieLord
GenieLord


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posted February 13, 2007 09:37 PM

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I was talking about usefullness, not 1v1 strength.

Wyverns are part of an early game, manticores are not. Unicorns is just an opinion, i simply dont use them much at start.
Cyclops are the worst of the worst level 6 units unless you play on easy or rich map settings.

Dwelling cheapness and day 1 availability is what makes wyvs better than those units in my eyes.


Yes, you are right.
I takes two turns to get them-like a 3rd level creature, and they are in level 6.
I think that their availablity in the earlier game gives them great adventage.
Just the ability, let's say, to capture many mines in the beginning of the game and similiar things, gives you a great adventage.
In the latest game, their adventage is gone, but for short games, it helps a lot.

In stupid maps like Good To Go, it is the weakest 6th level creatures. But in normal, it's great.
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russ
russ


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blah, blah, blah
posted February 14, 2007 11:00 PM

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Wyverns .... In the latest game, their adventage is gone, but for short games, it helps a lot.
I beg to differ! What about hives? What about double building fortresses? If you find another fortress, you can build them on the 2-nd day at most (if the town already has a fort, then on the same day you take the town).

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Lexxan
Lexxan


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Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
posted March 22, 2008 10:11 PM

1)Imps and Familiars
2)Harpies (Not the Hags)
3)Orcs
4)Demons
5)Earth Elementals or pit Fiends
6)Manticore
7)Hydras




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mvassilev
mvassilev


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HC SUPPORTER
posted March 22, 2008 10:42 PM

Familiar
Walking Dead
Orc
Fire Elemental
Genie
Manticore
Bone Dragon
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hobowu
hobowu


Known Hero
posted March 23, 2008 12:12 AM

in upgraded forms:

1. familiar
2. obsidian gargoyle
3. wraith/orc chieftain
4. energy elemental
5. magma elemental
6. scorpicore
7. ghost dragon

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Kendal
Kendal

Tavern Dweller
posted September 24, 2008 04:39 PM

The Winner is Imp, just 180 degree than highly effective archdevil
Runer up gremlin, i dont have any words
thirdplace zombie to slow.....
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Shares
Shares


Supreme Hero
I am. Thusly I am.
posted September 25, 2008 12:20 AM
Edited by Shares at 00:28, 25 Sep 2008.

lvl 1: Sprites, to low hp (Peasant(note the parantheses))
lvl 2: Gargoyles, it seems they deal no damage and they arent too sturdy either, they only got speed. Maybe harpies, but hags are good and herpes sucks!
lvl 3:
lvl 4: Fire ele. I just hate them for some reason
lvl 5: Genies, bad overall excpet speed and casting wich I think doesn't do it, especially since it's a tower creature and tower=spellccaster
lvl 6: Don't now, Wyverna and manti seems popular, but they both have good speed, normal damage and health, wyvern have poison and manti has paralysis. Gorgons have death thingie, dread knight double damage and champions have charge, cyclops have ranged and attacks walls, and psicics are a bit too good actually, nagas are slow but even it out, and unicorns are good and have blind (totally outpowered by trogs) Hmm did I miss any one? Yeah efreets, they are great, maybe a bit too good with the might fire shield.
lvl 7: Pheonix, cuz' they are SO OVERPOWER. Decent damage, a bit low hp, but rebirth, cheap (that would be enough for a good lvl 7), DOUBLE GROWTH, fire immune. Remove two or three and it would be a normal/a bit bad lvl 7.
lvl 7 again: Hydras, slow and low damage, cheap though, and no. I don't think that no ret. and a lot of heads will even it out.

OOPS: missed lvl 6, and relax, I was joking about the trogs.
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Nikita
Nikita


Famous Hero
Meepo is underrated
posted September 26, 2008 12:28 AM

1st-imp,gnoll,pixie,skeleton,goblin,gremlin,trog.,centaur,pikeman
2nd-w.dead,gog,s.gargoyle,lizard,dwarf,archer,air el,harpy,w.rider
3rd-wight,golem,h.hound,beholder,orc,wat.el,griffin,serpent,elf
4th-fire el,demon,mage,medusa,basilisk,pegus,ogre,swordman,vampire
5th-fied,minotaur,lich,monk,earth el,dendroid,genie,gorgon,roc
6th-cyclop,manti,wyvern,ps el,bl.night,unicorn,efreet,cavalier,naga
7th-b.dragon,hydra,firebird,gr/gold,devil,red/bl,titan,behem,angel

The place of creature wasn't only based on statistic of the creature.

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NeneaNightmare
NeneaNightmare

Tavern Dweller
posted September 27, 2008 08:59 AM
Edited by NeneaNightmare at 09:01, 27 Sep 2008.

lvl1: Familiar
lvl2: Zombie
lvl3: Wraith (though 1 on 1 it beats every lvl 3 creature lol oh wait... it beats every lvl 4 creature too lol)
lvl4: Horned Demon
lvl5: Magma Elemental
lvl6: Wyvern Monarchs
lvl7: Gold Dragons (just because they are implosion food and the Ghost Dragons have a small chance of aging... and it really is... small)
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c0ldshadow
c0ldshadow


Known Hero
666 Demons Rise from the Dead
posted October 24, 2008 09:58 PM

1. imp
2. walking dead
3. orc
4. pegasi
5. zealot
6. wyvern
7. bone dragon
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Gregonar
Gregonar


Hired Hero
posted October 25, 2008 02:20 PM
Edited by Gregonar at 11:13, 26 Oct 2008.

Lv 1 - imp. goblins are close at least they are cheaper with more health? how does that make sense
Lv 2 - zomb/walking dead. wolfies are close. At least zombs are tough and are as slow as skeletons; which make decent combo early game with liches
Lv 3 - wight- completely useless considering their cost. Also according to build tree, you never need to build them. 200 can get you wood elf, wight, or iron golem...

Just a note on orcs- they kick ass at 20HP and 165 gold and are a beacon of hope for a weak race

Lv 4 - vampires- at 360 gold, they are slow fliers with weak attack/def/hp. The upgrade cost 10gem/crystal and 500 gold each with similar low stats. Can be good for taking out critters but useless vs good human player at its cost.

Lv 5 - Thunderbird (but not rocs) and Pit Lords (but not fiends)- both are too expensive. T-birds and rocs don't fit well with the stronghold style- mediocre att, expensive. As for Pit Lords- think of it this way: a demon costs 250, a pit lord costs 200 more than a fiend. You need to lose at least 250 worth of units in order to resurrect one back (don't try to lose it in the first place)...meanwhile if you attacked instead, the pit lord can do about 150 worth of damage... do the math, it doesn't work out. The finicky-ness of the strategy can't possibly work.

Other notes- zealots need to be thought of as good lv 4's and they work well within the castle lineup. A zealot is way better than an arch mage or 3 marksmen. Same can be said for the dendroid; which are like slower but cheaper gorgons.

Lv 6 - Cornycores - expensive building, inaccessible build tree, lousy unit. Nothing works here. There is the thought that all units lv 6/7 are useful in some way. This is true, but cores are still the worst of them, by far.

Lv 7 - Titan - if you can't get the building soon enough, what use is the unit? bone dragon, behemoth and hydra are all very accessible and cost effective (as are giants, but not Titans). In this regard, angels are much better than green/red dragons because they are more accessible as well as stronger.  

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angelito
angelito


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted October 25, 2008 03:21 PM

I'm eagerly waiting for the replies to your list here...
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william
william


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
posted October 25, 2008 03:31 PM
Edited by william at 15:31, 25 Oct 2008.

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Lv 7 - Titan - if you can't get the building soon enough, what use is the unit? bone dragon, behemoth and hydra are all very accessible and cost effective (as are giants, but not Titans). In this regard, angels are much better than green/red dragons because they are more accessible as well as stronger.  



Although I am not some kind of Titan Addict anymore since I have started playing for a little while now and I have seen the use of other units such as the Behemoth (the ability to get them early(in the first week) and the fact that they are quite powerful is a bonus) and Arch Angels, I wouldn't put Titans as one of the worst creatures for its level.

The only disadvantage of this unit is that many of the Tower structures do require high resource amounts and this can be bad for when you are playing on Small or Medium maps since you won't be able to get the higher and more powerful level troops when you need them and of course, the resources aren't always available to you. Therefore, I would suggest (although I might be wrong) that Tower is good for Large to Extra Large maps because you will have more time to collect the resources you need to build the structures that you need.

Sure, the price of the Titan is quite high, but the stats speak for themselves. While not the best unit, I think that Quantity does matter in this case since a lot of the other level 7 units are able to be hired in larger quantities at a time depending on the players resources though, but if you try to fight a single titan with let's say a stack of Ancient Behemoths or Arch Angels, then you will lose.

The good things about Titans is that they are a shooter and they have good hit points (one of the highest if I remember, being at 300 and I think Ancient Behemoths and Arch Angels also have the same), good defence and attack and good damage. I don't think you would be getting Titans in the first week (impossible imo since the resource requirements are too high for the Tower) and getting enough of them to pose a threat to the enemy might prove to be a bit difficult but I would put Ghost Dragons as one of the worst creatures for its level.

If I am wrong, then feel free to correct me. I'm trying to learn a bit more about the game and try not to be a newbie that I have been for a while.
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zamfir
zamfir


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted October 25, 2008 03:40 PM

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Lv 2 - zomb/walking dead. wolfies are close. At least zombs are tough and are as slow as skeletons; which make decent combo early game with liches



Huh? I agree about the zombs, but wolfies? They are one of the best units for lvl. 2. That's only one of the flaws you made.

I'm sorry, but you do't know much about the game. Don't worry tough, if you want to improve your skills you are in the right place.
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looom
looom


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posted October 26, 2008 09:34 AM

lvl1 - imps
lvl2 - zombies
lvl3 - orc chieftain
lvl4 - medusa queen or greater basilisk. mq > basilisk cuz she can shoot, but she sycks overall.
lvl5 - zealots, ridiculously low hp for its cost.
lvl6 - scorpicore or cyc king , both of them are awful.
lvl7 - ghost dragon, tho its ageing ability is sometimes quite useful.

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