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posted October 11, 2006 11:43 PM |
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Wisdom or Intelligence?
This is a question that has has troubled me for some time(in the 'think for thought's sake' manner) as to which is superior or rather more useful to someone in life.First things first I should define them the way I perceive them so as to avoid confusion:
Intelligence is the ability to analyse information,fast thinking,concentrating,finding links between seemingly unrelated topics,understanding how logic works and using it to your advantage.I am aware that there are several ways to be intelligent,either with languages,maths(practical or advanced),spacial properties,music and so on but try to think of it in a general way for simplicity's sake.
On the other hand wisdom is about having insights into your character,understanding other people's motives,feelings,way of thought,having common sence and judgement of various situations.
I admit that the idea came from D&D initially although I don't wholly agree with this system.(If things were like that old people would have superior eyesight and hearing for one )Treat this thread mostly as a dilemma,which you feel would benefit you more according to your way of thinking and lifestyle.But think it from your perspective,not how you feel about intelligent or wise people as one's character can be quite different different no matter how smart he is or not.Also do not answer according to how wise or smart you are.If you feel I am mistaken on the definitions please correct me.
Personally I'd go for wisdom.I prefer to understand better my friends and possible enemies even though a sharp mind is always a powerful tool to depend on.Wisdom can prevent you from being manipulated or tricked and allows you to understand better the path you have taken and its possible implications.Also a very important reason for me to pick it over intelligence is that it enables you to learn better from your mistakes or even avoid them and allow you to become a better person.And that I believe is the most important.
What do you think?
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posted October 12, 2006 12:06 AM |
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Id go with wisdom as well, for this reason:
WISDOM helps you understand what your goal should be.
INTELLIGENCE helps you reach your goal.
It is far better to attempt to eat some food, than to be excellent at some unwise thing like leaping to your doom!
In the same way, it matters not if u through your intelligence aquire all the money in the world, if they wont make you happy.
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posted October 12, 2006 05:54 PM |
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Edited by russ at 17:56, 12 Oct 2006.
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You can have both, especially considering the fact they are connected.
From my understanding intelligence is your ability to learn, reason, find patterns, analyze, etc.
Wisdom is your experience. I think wisdom is usually used to describe someone's "people skills", "street smarts", their ability to successfully interact with and accept the outside world, etc.
If you are born intelligent, you have a potential of becoming very wise later on. As we grow older out intelligence will decrease, but our wisdom will increase.
Of course, if you are intelligent, but you end up being pushed into <insert whatever narrow field like math here>, you won't be nearly as "wise" as someone who is less intelligent but has had more opportunities to learn about the outside world.
Just as an interesting fact - if you look at the intelligence & wisdom graph, their sum is the highest at aroung 45 years of age. Until then people are more intelligent, but they don't have enough experience. Later on experience does not increase as fast as the intelligence decreases. So, you make your best decisions and you are at your top productivity at work when you are 45 
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posted October 12, 2006 08:15 PM |
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You can have both, especially considering the fact they are connected.
From my understanding intelligence is your ability to learn, reason, find patterns, analyze, etc.
Wisdom is your experience. I think wisdom is usually used to describe someone's "people skills", "street smarts", their ability to successfully interact with and accept the outside world, etc.
If you are born intelligent, you have a potential of becoming very wise later on. As we grow older out intelligence will decrease, but our wisdom will increase.
Of course, if you are intelligent, but you end up being pushed into <insert whatever narrow field like math here>, you won't be nearly as "wise" as someone who is less intelligent but has had more opportunities to learn about the outside world.
Just as an interesting fact - if you look at the intelligence & wisdom graph, their sum is the highest at aroung 45 years of age. Until then people are more intelligent, but they don't have enough experience. Later on experience does not increase as fast as the intelligence decreases. So, you make your best decisions and you are at your top productivity at work when you are 45
Actually they are not.A person may start being intelligent but not necessarily become wise.As wisdom doesn't always come from experience;You may hear a rather young and inexprienced person say something wise.I thought I'd check wikipedia too but didn't find something definite.Some quotes drom there:
'Wisdom is the ability, developed through experience, insight and reflection, to discern truth and exercise good judgment. It is sometimes conceptualized as an especially well developed form of common sense. Most psychologists regard wisdom as distinct from the cognitive abilities measured by standardized intelligence tests. Wisdom is often considered to be a trait that can be developed by experience, but not taught.'
'Some see wisdom as a quality that even a child, otherwise immature, may possess independent of experience or complete knowledge.'
I have seen people of my age having a superior common sence than most,even older people.Of course each of us has a potential and we can't really know what they've been through during their life so far. However that's enough to show that wisdom is not directly connected to age.Maybe it's one's environment too that makes his perceptions but still you can meet people that come from the same place and are so different from each other.My belief is that either some people become wiser at a faster rate or they are one spep ahead from the others from the beginning.
As for the last statement I'll tell you when I get 45
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posted October 12, 2006 08:27 PM |
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Edited by russ at 20:29, 12 Oct 2006.
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I am not quite sure what exactly you disagree with. You may want to think about your quoting more carefully instead of copying the entire post right above you. That way I'll know which part of my post you are talking about.
From your post it actually looks like you are saying pretty much the same thing as I do, actually.
Also, you've seem to have missed this part of my post:Quote:
Of course, if you are intelligent, but you end up being pushed into <insert whatever narrow field like math here>, you won't be nearly as "wise" as someone who is less intelligent but has had more opportunities to learn about the outside world.
Btw, that graph I mentioned is THE AVERAGE. If you take an average height of 6 billion people, I am sure that you won't find a single person whose height will be EXACTLY the average. In no way does this graph imply that YOUR decisions will be at their best when you are exactly 45 years old.
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posted October 12, 2006 09:11 PM |
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I meant that they are not necessarily connected but apparently I wasn't very clear I also wanted to point out that wisdom doesn't necessarily come with experience at least not in the same way for all people.And of course I understood it was the average I just joked about it as I had no piece of information on that one.It was more like 'I dunno we'll see!'
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posted October 12, 2006 09:41 PM |
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You're born with intelligence but you can always go out and collect wisdom. I don't see them as being comparable actually.
It might be a more intriguing question to ask: "Would you rather have wisdom or knowledge?"
and then you could ask "Would you rather have Intelligence or Creativity?"
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posted October 12, 2006 10:13 PM |
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Read my signature!!! It is PURE WISDOM!!! I AM BJORN!!!!  
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posted October 12, 2006 11:45 PM |
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Edited by Iris at 23:46, 12 Oct 2006.
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Hahaha, bjorn, that's adorable.
I've always looked at things this way:
Intelligence is your limit. It's what you're born with and cannot be changed.
Wisdom is your experience of the world--things you pick up from human interaction and the likes.
Wit is how well you use both of the above.
There's also knowledge, which is your collection of factual information, but I don't consider that as important as the other three above. 
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posted October 13, 2006 01:13 PM |
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I mostly agree though intelligence is not really limited.We all have a cap over it of course but it may be sharpened depending on how you live,how often you need to use your head,the hobbies you take up and if you generally often work on something that requires cosiderable mental strength.
There is also an unconventional way!It's more of a side effect than an actual increase of mental abilities however Several years ago an experiment was conducted to test the functions of the human brain and most notably its two hemispheres.You may have heard that the left hemisphere is associated with logic and analysis while the right with creativity and emotion.So some people were 'bombarded' with some kind of ray(I don't remember the details unfortunately) where their right hemisphere was to measure how the left would be affected.You may think of it as a disrupting ray whose purpose was to temporarily weaken the right hemisphere's function.The results showed that for a short amount of time these people would become smarter and able to solve problems they were unable to prior the experiment.
I guess that would be a good way to ensure good grades on exams,too bad it has a short duration!And who knows if you'd experience some nasty side-effects later.
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posted October 24, 2006 01:19 AM |
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I will always chose wisdom. I have met intelligent people who couldn't read coherently or didn't know if Hitler was german or russian; and they were intelligent, i could see that. But the fact that they've never read a book in theyr life made all that intelligence usless.
I prefer to be a stupid, but knowlegeable and cultivated man than an intelligent but half-illiterate one.
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posted October 24, 2006 02:18 AM |
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Frostwolf,
Good post. Thankyou for sharing it with us. I agree with you.
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posted October 24, 2006 09:17 AM |
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I will always chose wisdom. I have met intelligent people who couldn't read coherently or didn't know if Hitler was german or russian; and they were intelligent, i could see that. But the fact that they've never read a book in theyr life made all that intelligence usless.
I prefer to be a stupid, but knowlegeable and cultivated man than an intelligent but half-illiterate one.
Actually being wise doesn't automatically mean you have knowledge or be able to read coherently.However wise people certainly display an interest in literature,history and acquiring any kind of knowledge.But that's something anyone could aspire too from a regular guy to a really smart one.
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posted October 24, 2006 12:03 PM |
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personally I like wit, but it's probably the most useless one especially since there's no place for a witty man in todays successful society, they all become dark and lonely writers.
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posted October 24, 2006 12:49 PM |
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Wisdom makes you feel better about yourself.
You can learn about life & it will get you by.
You can learn about the world so it wont hurt you.
Intellegence is good only if you can do somethang with it.
Funny how people brag about being smarter then you but works at some low paying job.
To me who gives a rats crack if your very smart, if you dont do nothing with it, then it dont really matter now does it.
WIsdom is actually being out there & learning about whats out there & experiencing whatever you want to experience.
Thats why I like reading about certain debates.
It's the wisdom they have when they learn about what the world is really like.
You dont need to know what 5+5 is to go out to war.
Well it is always wise to know how to read a ruler
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posted October 24, 2006 05:45 PM |
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they were intelligent, i could see that.
And how can you see that?
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posted October 24, 2006 05:46 PM |
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Well it's easy, all you have to do is say they suck.
If they dont swear that means they are intellegent
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posted October 24, 2006 06:30 PM |
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Or they thought you weren't thus not replying
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posted October 24, 2006 10:10 PM |
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I see intelligence as thinking inside the box, and wisdom as thinking outside the box.
Let me explain...
Intelligence for me, is using the skills you have (whether they be cognitive, emotional, creative, spacial insight, ...) to reach certain goals or conclusions. Our different kinds of intelligence are all limited to an extent, but through tutoring, practice and experience we can break those boundaries.
Through education, cultural heritage, religion, the rules that apply in our society, and our age or maturity, we are fitted inside a certain thinking frame. This frame is absolutely necessary in order to use any kind of intelligence. Without the definitions of colour for instance, how could we ever start using them for a purpose?
Wisdom to me, is the ability to think outside of that frame sometimes, and reach conclusions our intelligence could never lead us to. Life experience plays a role in wisdom, as does age, but I think as it is with intelligence, we are born with a certain degree of wisdom to start with.
For example, if a child makes conclusions you would normally see an adult make, we consider that conclusion to be wise. The child is thinking outside of the frame it supposedly should be in at that age. Likewise, wise men from other cultures may not always appear wise to us, because their thinking pattern doesn't correspond well with our cultural thinking frame.
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posted October 24, 2006 10:13 PM |
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Wisdom to me is a combination of collective life CHANGING events and the ability to perceive them in a manner in which you learn from them. Intelligence is a combo of genes and the environment in which you thrived in as a child during the sponge years of your youth. I would like to compare common sense with intelligence. I have known a lot of people that were “book smart” but put them in a real life situation in the streets and watch them drown in an ignorant mindset as to how to deal with that type of situation.
It is a great and unique thing to have both of them and be able to execute them constructively when needy. It is like finding a hot women that doesn’t nag and isn’t needy, (good luck with that.)
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Intellegence is good only if you can do somethang with it.
Funny how people brag about being smarter then you but works at some low paying job.
This is true! What good does anything do us if we can’t do something with it. So you have a PHD but the hell are you doing with it?
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Funny how people brag about being smarter then you but works at some low paying job.
Putting yourself in a high paying job sometimes comes down to simply selling yourself to a willing buyer. More employers are not looking at that paper as much anymore as they are; can he be trained and will he do as I ask and offer innovative ways to upgrade my company?
I will take common sense anyday!
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