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KnightDougal
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posted December 27, 2006 08:33 PM |
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Haven=North Europe
Inferno=The Hell
Academy: Turkey, Arabia, Israel
Necropolish: The Hell
Sylan=North America
Fortress=Russia
Dungeon=Greek
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GoblinZzz
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posted December 27, 2006 08:56 PM |
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Haven = Vatican
Inferno = Japan
Academy = Geeks worldwide
Necropolis = Bulgaria
Sylvan = North American Indians
Fortress = Finland
Dungaeon = France (Le Yndergröund rösistanze!)
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bixie
Promising
Legendary Hero
my common sense is tingling!
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posted December 27, 2006 09:30 PM |
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Catholics - Smacking up people who disagree.
Protestants - Hiding in the shadows, acting all cult like.
the protestants did alot of smacking up as well.
1> the witch hunt, the protestants killed countless men and women then.
2> northern ireland, the protestants fought the catholics. on the subject of ireland, cromwells invasion at drogirder (sorry, can't spell it), was another case of protestants beating up catholics.
3> the nepoliontic wars, france was catholic, britian was protestant, the british beat the french up badly. (however, i feel it was something esle apart from religion that caused the war)
the iraq war, both america and britian are predominately protestant, and they are killing muslims (again, i think there are other causes for the war(*cough*OIL*cough))
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GoblinZzz
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posted December 27, 2006 09:39 PM |
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Point.
But at first it was them cat-holics smacking up the pro-test-ants.
Naturally; at first the protestants simply didn't have the assets to hold their own with.
But once they gained the suport of political leaders things began changing, aye?
That's what happens when you mix politics and religion, silly people just find an excuse for themselves to go and smack up some heretics and loot their heretical riches. 
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baklava
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Mostly harmless
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posted December 28, 2006 12:57 AM |
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Bah, protestantism is still a bit better than catholicism, the way I see it... Protestants didn't organise crusades for example... But it did have some sort of inquisiton, witch hunts etc...
I think two best religions in the world are orthodox and buddhist... No crusades, no inquisition, no jihads... Hinduism is cool too, but I don't feel like I could really believe in elephants with six hands...
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GoblinZzz
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posted December 28, 2006 01:17 AM |
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What about humanitarianism?
That appears to be your religion as you seem to judge the other religions by it's standards.
Anyway, i think there are atrocities of some kind in history connected in some way to most if not all religions in the world, it's just that in the west we know best the ones close to us, and the people who come here to spread their faith certainly won't be the first to advertise their bloody past, just like the crusades are something that christian missionaries aren't likely to be the first to talk about.
Me, myself, i would argue that a religion is to be judged by it's past only if it's past is something the religion is holding on to instead of turning away from.
Modern catholicism is waay changed from the medieval times.
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baklava
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Mostly harmless
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posted December 28, 2006 01:38 AM |
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What about humanitarianism?
That appears to be your religion as you seem to judge the other religions by it's standards.
Well that's not exactly a religion...
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Modern catholicism is waay changed from the medieval times.
Yes, but it never says how anything they did was bad. They just remain silent about those things. And today they still worship the same ideals they once slaughtered for. The Pope still openly disrespects other religions (for example, his recent comment about Islam) and sees nothing bad at it. (The only religion (well more of a sect than a religion) that's actually really funny is scientology. Go to scientology.org to see what I'm talking about. People believe that there was an evil alien lord who froze the souls of other aliens, brainwashed them, and dumped them into the Hawaii volcanoes... Then those souls got out and found refuge in monkeys and that's how we all became. LOL)
And the catholic church didn't commit attrocities only in the medieval period, remember the conquistadores... They were also supported by the Chair and happened much later.
The whole point is that the whole catholic church is way too involved in politics, although not today as much as in past times.
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GoblinZzz
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posted December 28, 2006 02:48 AM |
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If we define religion as a certain worldview accompanied by doctrines derived from it i think we can say that any philosophy that attempts to explain the world in any way or create a code or law based on anything besides the common profit of those involved can be traced back to a worldview, that is, (traced back to) a religion.
I think even the rejection of religion is a religious statement, if somebody says they don't believe in a god, they don't say that they are not religious, they only say they are not religious in a certain way.
Certain worldviews would then permit men to make up their own rules, and that would be the defining point of their common religion, while others would give the people a ready-made ruleset to play by.
And scientology?
Heh...
As far as i know, their worldview was written by a former author of science fiction literature who also had failed as some kind of a business man...
Didn't know about the aliens and apes thing though. 
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SS
Known Hero
Strike first, Strike Hard
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posted December 28, 2006 12:05 PM |
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Necropolis = Israel
lol are you like Palestinian or something?
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Necropolis = Undead
ROFL Really?
I don't know if you noticed that the entire Griffin dynasty has Russian names (Nicolai, Alexei etc), and a couple of its heroes have Italian names (Vittorio for example), and it has absolutely nothing to do with German people. Empire from Warhammer do represent Germans, but Haven from Heroes doesn't. The dwarves do remind of ancient Germans though (bearded, angry, with axes), but not of medieval ones.
Now, the heroes nations aren't really based on real nations, unlike those from warhammer (empire=germans, lizardmen=aztecs, kislev=russians, ogres=mongols, wood elves=celts, chaos=vikings, tomb kings=egyptians, high elves=gay people...). Even the warhammer world map reminds on the real Earth.
Baklava, No I am not. I am Canadian and I really want you to see that map.
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SS
Known Hero
Strike first, Strike Hard
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posted December 28, 2006 12:08 PM |
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i see it as
haven= holy roman empire (i agree) or... joan of arc france (they both have female leaders and are fighting off a foriegn threat)
inferno= no idea, possibly babylonian, where all the bad stuff comes from, aparently.
nerco= egypt/aztec feel, certianly, also the possibly of isreal comes into it.
dungeon= hmmm... i say some tribe that declared independence from the rest. no idea.
fortress= SCOTTISH!!!! HAVE YOU SEEN THE KILTS!!!!!
slyvan= a mix of native american and celtic, as celts had druids and wardancers.
academy= arabian nights.
bixie, good thing that we share kind of a same point of view. and about the dark elves, since they are borthers and sisters of Elves then they got to be from same area.
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emilsn
Legendary Hero
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posted December 28, 2006 12:25 PM |
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Hmm... what about Nival was sitting down in their little room and drawing creatures, heroes, castle and all that... and then they made 7 (maybe more towns) And then WUPTI all done. maybe they borrowed a bit from the world today? Markal = Hitler taking over the world but being killed by 3 "nations" .. well aye, They took some ideas from ancient history .. Academy fx a lot of weird creatures there... BUT I DO NOT! Think that they borrowed things from polical point of views!
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CharlesA
Tavern Dweller
Pilgrimage Traveller
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posted December 29, 2006 02:13 AM |
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Well back to the start:
Haven - Medieval Europe in the mid-1200's
Sylvan - Celts with Indian design
Academy - Middle-easten Mages lending from mythology (1001 nights)
Fortress - VIKINGS!!! with kilts...
As writen before; the rest are hard to define, but allow me:
Necropolis can not be compered to Israel! Heresh is similar to Arabia, but the Modern-Gothic architecture has nothing to do with the Middle-East!
If I must compere the Undead city to something, it must be the backside of our modern culture, and most of all the Metropoles, which now also are popular in the Persian Gulf.
Then the Dungeon is a female-domminated Hades (Greek mythology), and Inferno is (obviously) Hell...
I apologise for my spelling: I forgot my dictionary...
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted December 29, 2006 02:32 AM |
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Dungeon=Greek
What??That's insulting to our civilization! lol
Btw is it the statues?Don't get it.
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SS
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Strike first, Strike Hard
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posted December 29, 2006 10:45 PM |
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Elvin, in what way do you think CharlesA insulted your civiliation? I think there is no disrespect from CharlesA, and also CharlesA is just expressing his/her opinion which is okay.
by the way I don't think Greeks represent Dungen. dungen is got to be a faction which expresses some similarities with Sylvan Faction.
Also hitler does not = to markel.
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted December 29, 2006 11:39 PM |
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I was referring to KnightDougal and I also added [lol].Thus I didn't mean it,I just expressed my surprise as they have nothing in common 
Markal as Hitler...Nah.Hitler never had to trick anyone or use diplomacy.He was pretty straightforward,no need for manipulation.Markal is just a sneaky bastard who doesn't have Hitler's hatred,superiority complex or guts.One more thing:Hitler acted on his people's benefit while Markal on his own.
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RectusDominus
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posted December 30, 2006 12:02 PM |
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btw, what does the double S in ur name stand for?
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CharlesA
Tavern Dweller
Pilgrimage Traveller
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posted December 30, 2006 04:39 PM |
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Edited by CharlesA at 16:40, 30 Dec 2006.
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To SS:
I can see what you mean about the Dungeon, and some elements of their culture can be based on the Meso-American cultures, like the Lizardmen in Warhammer.
However, I have difficulties compairing the Sylvan faction with the Dungeon, becurse Dungeon seems for me very far from the simple and ucomplex living of the wooden elves, so I feel I step into a completely diffirent world. You can say that is the diffirence of the anciant natives of North and South America.
Yet I think that the Dark Elves is too "grim" a faction, to be based on a "earthly" culture. That was when I came up with the idea of "Hades", becurse it is the Dungeon of ancient Greece. More specific the "normal" Hades, (compare with the hellish Tartaros, and the heavenly Elysion) which is cold, dark and without any life. Add to that, the Monutauroi and Hydra, some of the bad guys of Greek Mythology.
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CharlesA
Tavern Dweller
Pilgrimage Traveller
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posted December 30, 2006 04:52 PM |
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Hey! Fortress has the fire dragon... China!!! No, not really.
And that about the Necropolis as the Egypts, interesting...
Again, all of your suggestions are quite good.
And now for a "hippie" comment: I think there are drawn things from many cultures, except Haven, in all of the factions. But that just makes it even more exciting... 
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Light_Knight
Adventuring Hero
Paladin of the Peace.
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posted December 30, 2006 06:15 PM |
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Why the South America is "classified" as Dungeon. Please explain me!!
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CharlesA
Tavern Dweller
Pilgrimage Traveller
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posted December 30, 2006 06:31 PM |
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Well as written before, I can see some logic, and yet not really...
I can see a parell? between the focus on sacrifices in the Mayan socity and that of the Dark Elves.
Their rich and foregn architechture makes me think a bit of the Incas, along with their rich and golden civilization.
In addition to that the dark and glommy enviroment reminds me of the rainforest, note the reptilles...
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