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Salamandre
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posted May 22, 2011 01:33 AM |
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It depends of the length of the game mostly, maybe the tower will be more powerful than conflux after a few months, but for standard games the conflux is the perfect town, an uber level 1, fast scouts, the fastest level 7, and the magic university = the perfect hero, no matter the class. Situated on grass with the best resources setup around, most of creatures have immunities, getting the grail is instant win also-assuming you prepared well your secondary heros-.
It is so good that no good mapmaker even made a single map for it, considering it probably not a challenge. We have good maps with castle, inferno, stronghold etc, I never saw one with conflux as main. Is there any?
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heroes_player
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posted May 22, 2011 08:38 AM |
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There is at least one which I know named "Armageddon's Blade", but it is soo piece of cake! 
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Lumske_Beaver
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posted May 23, 2011 03:32 PM |
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I wonder why nobody yet has mentioned that another reason why Conflux is an unbalanced and unreasonable town is that the the lvl 4-7 units are all immune to armageddon (even EEs although they should only be immune to mind spells?). Thus if you happen to get armageddon as spell it is an instant win even agains dungeon and rampart because conflux would have four units against either black or gold dragons. The sheer fact that this is possible is to me nothing but bad and sloppy work by the developers. Although FEs end EEs usually are poor units, with armageddon, MEs and Phoenixes they are very usuful.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted May 23, 2011 09:28 PM |
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Of course it was mentioned, see my above post. If there weren't those blind vulnerable pixies, I guess the conflux fights in Unleashing the bloodthirsty could not be done without casualties.
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Aculias
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posted May 24, 2011 06:47 AM |
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Edited by Aculias at 06:51, 24 May 2011.
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Forgive me as i have not done this in SO many years that i might forget minor details that I have never forgot before.
Conflux is a fast town.
The fairy scouts will scout out much of the land & most of the ELEMENTS are immune to mind spells like Blind & even the death stare.
In an open map, it is hard to beat the flux.
You can hire as much heroes as you can buy, therefore you will find resources & gold on the way to make up for it.
It is easy to chain your creatures fast & simple.
You have to try to get your hero powerful enough to cope with the fast creatures.
The Phoenix is the fastest, so you will get a spell thrown at ya.
Only the elements are immune to mind spells etc.
Phoenix is not, you can try to use Hypnotise to cause a panic since the opponent will most likely use a spell.
Without the use of the firebirds, phoenix (Twice as many 7th lv creatures a week then all other towns) Flux may be very vulnerable.
Especially to towns like Castle or Stronghold.
I miss being strategic lol.
Edit:
Wanted to comment on casting Hypnotise!
Flux may wait on casting a spell.
Therefore you should wait as well.
Remember the Phoenix moves last, or firebird usually.
Point is, if he waits, so do you.
When you move your last creature before the 2nd round & before the phoenix turn, you cast Hypnotise.
Therefore you get 2 moves & an extra spell to either Slow or haste etc.
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Crocodil
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 01, 2013 04:39 PM |
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Conflux is the best town if you like magics.....cheap, new, and fairly strong, best for single player, but for multi('cause conflux is forrbiden!) I will go with rampart, they are money makers!  )
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Grasskoke
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Dead and Evil
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posted January 24, 2014 11:40 PM |
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Too many people are complaining about the Conflux. Yes it has powerfull creatures, but the cost of those creatures is high, i like the conflux very much beutiful and cool town.
I dont care that it is powerfull just adds more challange to the game. No enemy who is playing conflux has ever given me any serious problems, i always finds a way to defeat a more powerfull and clever foe.
But now every where i look i find lots of people complaining about the conflux because it is becoming too difficult for players to handle.
Even if a good player is using conflux does not mean he is unbeatable, you may have a hard time against him, but that is what makes it fun.
Gamers these days want things to be easier for them, bah!
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fred79
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posted January 24, 2014 11:46 PM |
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conflux sucks because of the creatures, i think. they only have 2 cool creatures, the pixies and the phoenix. it is true that they are overpowered in the spell aspect, but i don't care. if i had to replace just one faction, it would definitely be conflux, because after the creatures i mentioned, the rest are ****ing retarded. we could've had Forge instead, but morons ruined it by getting their panties in a wad. so we got conflux instead. yaaayyy. 
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Storm-Giant
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posted January 25, 2014 02:10 PM |
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fred79 said:
conflux sucks because of the creatures, i think. they only have 2 cool creatures, the pixies and the phoenix. it is true that they are overpowered in the spell aspect, but i don't care. if i had to replace just one faction, it would definitely be conflux, because after the creatures i mentioned, the rest are ****ing retarded. we could've had Forge instead, but morons ruined it by getting their panties in a wad. so we got conflux instead. yaaayyy.
No Fred, Conflux doesn't suck, it just happen that you are mad because Forge should be instead of Conflux
When I was young and played AB/SoD after RoE I liked Conflux. The town is simple, yes (elementals towns) but I found them cool.
(and now I'll run away before Joonas trys to kill me)
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fred79
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 25, 2014 02:15 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
No Fred, Conflux doesn't suck, it just happen that you are mad because Forge should be instead of Conflux
When I was young and played AB/SoD after RoE I liked Conflux. The town is simple, yes (elementals towns) but I found them cool.
(and now I'll run away before Joonas trys to kill me)
hey stormy, i posted my thoughts, conflux sucks, deal with it. 
i'm not mad just because it isn't Forge, either. i clearly stated the reasons being, you just ignored the rest, like a dingbat. and, you're just mad because i'm right. PppPPPpppPPPP
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Storm-Giant
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posted January 25, 2014 02:17 PM |
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Don't worry, I'll start a game in HotA now, playing For-...jk, I'll play Conflux since it's the only option
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 25, 2014 02:23 PM |
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one day, stormy, one day.... POW! right in the kisser!
you and your "conflux". feh! (dammit, there's no folded-arms-and-sulking smiley)
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Yesugey
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 07, 2014 03:39 PM |
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Well most of its advantages kicks in on mid-late game, so even it's imbalanced it does not bother me so much.
Unlike all other towns, Conflux has no "get lots of them and wander around until the big battle day comes" unit. (Like Marksmen in Castle, Vampire Lord in Necropolis or Evles in Rampart etc.) Level 3-4-5 units terribly sucks, you suffer so much until you come to late game.
Yes guild is extremely op, but you must catch it first.
But Phoenixes... Even I have no excuse for them though. It is the fastest unit that makes you start first, you get 4 of them, they are cheap... They are not just a big plus, they are game-enders.
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NimoStar
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posted December 24, 2019 01:23 AM |
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Edited by NimoStar at 22:01, 24 Dec 2019.
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The forum will be killed by bots. And ironically they will still be here after us.
Anyways.
Did nobody mention the Conflux was literally just made as a quick town because they had to scrap Forge after fan backlash?
It's only four neutral elementals and some other 3D creatures without pixel redrawings cobbled together... the psychic elemental model is laughtably basic (though to be fair, it seems the expansion standard was veering towards this 3dfication even before the conflux and it continues in H4 to much aesthetical chagrin.)
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monere
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Supreme Hero
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posted December 24, 2019 02:27 AM |
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man, I don't understand all the hate towards Conflux. Personally, I like most of the things about that town (it's actually my 3rd favorite town in the entire franchise of HoMM, after H3 Fortress and Rampart).
My username is monere (take a guess why!), and I absolutely love the design of magic elementals and phoenixes. Rushed or not the town itself looks amazing, the energy elementals look cool, the town buildings and scenery looks cool, heck, I even like the name Conflux, even though I have no idea what it means in real life or how it fits into HoMM's lore.
And I'm not even good with this town, I have lost most of my hotseat games when I have played Conflux 20 years ago, even though it's banned as phuck in PvP (weird, I'm telling you).
Also, bot or not, I can relate to it. I have lost Uni because of H3. Right in the middle of the road from home to Uni (6 minutes of walking) there was a computer club (back in 1999 computer clubs have been the bee's knees in eastern europe), and I would stop there every morning where I'd play H3, Fifa '99, Bomberman, Mortal Kombat 3 and Starcraft all day long till in the evening when they'd close the club. Sometimes they would close even 30-60 minutes later than usual because they'd wait for me to finish whatever it's been that I was playing at the moment (I have been the VIP of that club because I'd have a lot of money to reserve the best computer in the club for myself, and sometimes I'd even have money to buy 2-3 hours to other 4-5 kids who would come there to watch).
Anyway, long story short I have lost Uni because of H3 - among other games - and I don't regret snow. That year has been one of the best of my life 
As for Conflux, I will continue liking it and playing it for as long as I live, despite of all the hate it gets
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Drakon-Deus
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Qapla'
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posted December 24, 2019 05:41 AM |
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I can understand the hate towards Conflux but I don't share it.
When I was learning the game, AB was already out, and guess what? Conflux was my favorite.
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted December 24, 2019 09:26 AM |
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monere said:
and I absolutely love the design of magic elementals and phoenixes.
Those flaming chicken atrocities! *Goes on a rampage*
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monere
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posted December 24, 2019 12:10 PM |
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Elvin said:
monere said:
and I absolutely love the design of magic elementals and phoenixes.
Those flaming chicken atrocities! *Goes on a rampage*
de gustibus non disputandum, amigo
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bloodsucker
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posted December 24, 2019 01:38 PM |
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For me, the biggest problem with Conflux is too many perks, not the Phoenix growth. Notice there is a dwelling that not only gives all four elementals but increases their growth in towns by one. Now, Storm and Ice Elementals are already super strong, they don't need that extra bonus. Add to this the amazing upgraded level one, the Artifacts Merchant, the Magic University and the Grail and you have a town too strong in comparison with all others.
On the other hand, most units can't be resurrected, heroes are almost all pretty good to start, with the flat bonus to creatures and the magic schools but quite useless after mid game and I still think grail loses for Skyship.
@Salamadre About no maps made for Conflux, I recall at least one, Wings of Heaven from Stephan Kispalko, that has it as one of the starting towns but as you said somewhere the main reason for it not being used in custom maps is that units can't be resurrected, so battles would always had to be quite even not allowing for too many exploits (at least the traditional ones).
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monere
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posted December 24, 2019 02:18 PM |
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Notice there is a dwelling that not only gives all four elementals but increases their growth in towns by one. Now, Storm and Ice Elementals are already super strong, they don't need that extra bonus
yeah... that's about the only thing that's overpowered about Conflux. Everything else is OK for this atypical town
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