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martynas
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posted August 17, 2007 10:17 AM |
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Is this topic only about an orc, which is imprisoned (in dark mesiah)by the goblins? and why its so important his name?  quarog, guarog, garog, guargog .....it doesn't matter
P.S. Kujin must be jealous maybe she wanted to be the supreme orc leader
P.S.S. Could someone answer my quastion: ,,how the mage faction (with not such strong, or less creatures) can beat orc faction (with supreme magic resistance abilities)"?
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Gil-galad
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posted August 17, 2007 10:23 AM |
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I have not played dark messiah so I can't be a part of this discussion.
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Azagal
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posted August 17, 2007 10:31 AM |
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Heehe this thread is not about Dark Messiah^^ sorry if we got you kind of confused this thread is still about TotE and ehm ja a little spam here and there but the idea is to post about stuff about TotE. And yeah lizardmen started an discussion about Quroc being held prisoner in DM by goblins... which is ridicules. Anyway ehm I guess academy should not a such a big problem against Stronghold as they don't relly on SP that much, or do they... ? And warlocks for sure will find a way against the Orcs with invisibility you get 3 rounds free casting oO that should be enough to do some sever dmg.
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Locke16k
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posted August 17, 2007 10:31 AM |
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Hey locke are you romanian?
I'm very proud to say that I am. I've played Dark Messiah twice but i hardly paid any attention to that orc. In my opinion it's a very good chance that the orc is Qurog because the campaign in Tribes is mixed with the one of Dark Messiah and i think it's in the same era not 500 years before. U can play with Arantir in the Necro Campaign so probably he was released from his imprisonment by Sareth.
Does anyone know some stats of Stronghold Creatures ? I'm very curios. If U know please share.
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Azagal
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posted August 17, 2007 10:42 AM |
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In my opinion it's a very good chance that the orc is Qurog because the campaign in Tribes is mixed with the one of Dark Messiah and i think it's in the same era not 500 years before. Quote:
It is NOT Quroc. Read the master post or my last post on page 127 and you will see that it is NOT Quroc and it is not the same era Quroc was 500 years before DM.
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Locke16k
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posted August 17, 2007 10:44 AM |
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P.S.S. Could someone answer my quastion: ,,how the mage faction (with not such strong, or less creatures) can beat orc faction (with supreme magic resistance abilities)"?
I don't think that the orc's magic resistance ability is that severe. Maybe they tend to resist only a small fraction of the damage (let's say 10 to 20 % of damage). Becauseo my favorite faction is Dungeon my strategy was always High Initiative + High Attack combined with the high speed of creatures equals fast strong attacks, so my advice is "strike before be striked". Maybe the spells are not so affective against orc but the abilities from master of fire, ice & lightning still apply to them.
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HartZa
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posted August 17, 2007 10:49 AM |
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Is this topic only about an orc, which is imprisoned (in dark mesiah)by the goblins? and why its so important his name? quarog, guarog, garog, guargog .....it doesn't matter
P.S. Kujin must be jealous maybe she wanted to be the supreme orc leader
P.S.S. Could someone answer my quastion: ,,how the mage faction (with not such strong, or less creatures) can beat orc faction (with supreme magic resistance abilities)"?
Orc faction maybe have some resistance skills, but we dont know yet how strong resistance they will have. Just remember if orcs cant cast spells they cant dispels spells(if they havent lay hands or so on abilities) like puppet mastery, frenzy, confusion etc. neither can boost they troops with light magic. I´m sure that these spells dont trigger so well against orcs but they still can trigger! Dungeon can go to both dark& destructive spells if player knows that opponent have Stronghold. Dark magic is quite easily to get for dungeon. Just cast some frenzy on orcs and see what happens. they may have some resistance but you remeber what dungeon racial skill does? Reduces magic resistance. I hope to see orc racial skills and abilities soon
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Locke16k
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posted August 17, 2007 10:51 AM |
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It is NOT Quroc. Read the master post or my last post on page 127 and you will see that it is NOT Quroc and it is not the same era Quroc was 500 years before DM.
I have read it and I couldn't help notice this quote : In one of the campaigns, the main hero will be a orc warlord, who invades in Griffin Empire’s Crow duchy to free his kinsmen from enslavement. This campaign is set 500 years before the events of Heroes V. ---> before HEROES V not before DARK MESSIAH
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Bombur
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posted August 17, 2007 11:00 AM |
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Does anyone know some stats of Stronghold Creatures ? I'm very curios. If U know please share.
Well,it has been rumored that the upgraded cyclops(I think the one with the lazer beam has 50 attack points or 45).And that the centaurs are recruited in number of twelve,meaning 24 centaurs per week with castle.
I think the goblins will come in number of 17 because if they do such high damage(i'm guessing 2-3)and with blood rage,they should be so cowardly and those 3 hit points make them weaker in defense than peasants.They attack using a cleaver which is much more sharper than a fork,deteriorated axe)skeletons),hooves,and nature spray(pixies)
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Gil-galad
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posted August 17, 2007 11:49 AM |
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It is NOT Quroc. Read the master post or my last post on page 127 and you will see that it is NOT Quroc and it is not the same era Quroc was 500 years before DM.
I have read it and I couldn't help notice this quote : In one of the campaigns, the main hero will be a orc warlord, who invades in Griffin Empire’s Crow duchy to free his kinsmen from enslavement. This campaign is set 500 years before the events of Heroes V. ---> before HEROES V not before DARK MESSIAH
I think I read that too, and since the orc hero in that campaign will free hes kinsmen from the Crow duchy the movies we have seen untill now must be from that campaign. But how can that be 500 years before HEROES V when we see Alaric and the renegades in the movies
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Elvin
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posted August 17, 2007 11:52 AM |
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Maybe it's not in the past then. But renegades will be considered as mere alternatives from now now - storyline or not. If they used haven again it would be boring, no? 
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Azagal
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posted August 17, 2007 11:55 AM |
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I have read it and I couldn't help notice this quote : In one of the campaigns, the main hero will be a orc warlord, who invades in Griffin Empire’s Crow duchy to free his kinsmen from enslavement. This campaign is set 500 years before the events of Heroes V. ---> before HEROES V not before DARK MESSIAH
It doesn't need to say because if you remember the campaign isabel is the mother of to the Dark Messiah a.k.a Sareth. Sareth is the main character in DM so DM takes place about 18-24 years after Heroes V. Therefore it is IMPOSIBLE that the orc in DM is Quroc (unless he is arround 500 years old...)
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Gil-galad
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High King of Noldor
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posted August 17, 2007 12:08 PM |
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Quote:
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I have read it and I couldn't help notice this quote : In one of the campaigns, the main hero will be a orc warlord, who invades in Griffin Empire’s Crow duchy to free his kinsmen from enslavement. This campaign is set 500 years before the events of Heroes V. ---> before HEROES V not before DARK MESSIAH
It doesn't need to say because if you remember the campaign isabel is the mother of to the Dark Messiah a.k.a Sareth. Sareth is the main character in DM so DM takes place about 18-24 years after Heroes V. Therefore it is IMPOSIBLE that the orc in DM is Quroc (unless he is arround 500 years old...)
In LOTR orcs are immortal just like the elves But I guess you're right. As said before I've never played DM.
To Elvin: Yeah, you're right it would be boring, but it would have been odd if they suddenly invented the renegades many years before they were created
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Elvin
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posted August 17, 2007 12:21 PM |
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Meh I have seen Mirlanda the witch in a campaign before Tatalia was even created. Yes she was even mentioned in the text boxes with other fortress heroes that you had to defeat with Tarnum. Heroes Chronicles Revolt of the Beastmasters
I can overlook that for gameplay purposes.
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Bombur
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posted August 17, 2007 05:25 PM |
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From what I could see indeed the cyclops has poor initiative and speed,having all of the units turns before its,but I think the pao-kai and wyvern will be able to reach the enemy if there are large creatures.And do you think the pao kais lightning attack affects the units standing next to the defender like the thane\warlord?
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Cepheus
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posted August 17, 2007 05:37 PM |
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Meh I have seen Mirlanda the witch in a campaign before Tatalia was even created. Yes she was even mentioned in the text boxes with other fortress heroes that you had to defeat with Tarnum. Heroes Chronicles Revolt of the Beastmasters
I can overlook that for gameplay purposes.
As I recall, it was Alkin, Mirlanda and Wystan who appeared as enemies in Warlords of the Wasteland. That was a weird continuity error to throw in some heroes about a thousand years before they should have been born. They did the same thing with other heroes like Xyron, Sandro, Yog, Lord Haart and others. And some of the single scenarios in Heroes V feature time set hundreds of years before the campaigns with the same heroes, so it's not new to the series. They've been doing that kind of thing since Heroes II: PoL. But then you all know that I am a stickler for the old stories so excuse me for the useless, long-forgotten info.
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Elvin
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posted August 17, 2007 05:43 PM |
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As a keeper of the might and magic lore it is to be expected I tend to remember such useless bits of info for no particular reason.
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emilsn
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posted August 17, 2007 08:22 PM |
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And do you think the pao kais lightning attack affects the units standing next to the defender like the thane\warlord?
For the sake of creativity I hope not.. I would love an old school thunder bird + stun effect !!! Muhahah and green ones should have major kick ass poison!!
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Daystar
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posted August 17, 2007 10:00 PM |
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agreed. Chain lightning breath + immunity to lightning would be AWESOME for Pao Kai, and then Poison Bite, Immunity to poison/decay, Acid blood for Venemous Wyvern (or whatever it is called)
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Gil-galad
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High King of Noldor
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posted August 17, 2007 10:11 PM |
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I really hope the lightning attack wont affect nearby units, that would make no sence. After my opinion the Poisonus Wyvern's poison should make more damage than the assasin poison which I think is pretty weak (allthough the assasin should not have more poison damage since it is a tier 1 unit). The Wyvern poison should really hurt. Who knows how many bacteriums they have between their teeth after eating lots of tasty goblins.
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