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posted June 25, 2007 05:18 PM |
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Loose Change
Has anyone seen this movie?
It's a documentary made by 3 American guys about the September 11 attacks.
I watched the other night I thought it was really freaky some of the points they brought up.
You can watch it for free here
But here are some of the main points raised
Prior to 9/11:
-training exercises by the american government before 9/11 included extensive crash testing of commercial airlines, a pamphlet showing a picture of the world trade centre in crosshairs, simulations of a plane crashing into the pentagon itself involving one of the US pilots who supposedly died on one of the planes during 9/11
-the US government had a plan called Project Northwood in which fake terrorist attacks would be made against their own citizens in order to blame them on Cuba in order to initiate war
-from September 6 to September 10 an unusual amount of put options (placed in order to predict that a certain stock will go down in price) are placed on American Airlines, Boeing and United Airlines
-all but 13 fighter jets were removed from the USA prior to the attack for various reasons, an unusual amount, such as a training scheme in Canada and some others
-all bomb sniffer dogs were inexplicably removed from the World Trade Centre buildings prior to the attacks
Pentagon:
-the damage to the Pentagon was only a small 16 foot hole that punched right through to the other side of the building, leaving the adjacent windows intact, not consistent with that of a plane, but that of a missile
-there is no large evidence of a plane in the wreckage except for a part which is supposedly part of the plane turbine but was found to not be a part of the aircraft
-the claim is that the plane was incinerated on impact, but the flame generated by the kerosene could not be hot enough to sustain a temperature in order to melt the kerosene, and despite these claims they were still able to identify the bodies at the scene
-Hani Hanjour, the hijacker pilot, had difficulty performing basic controls on a small Cessna at a flight school where he rented, and that perhaps not even an experienced pilot could have maneuvered the reflex angle of turn at the airspeed and altitude at which the aircraft approached without going into a high speed stall
-there were many video cameras that caught the plane crash on tape but were promptly removed by government officials before they could be watched by anyone, and are yet to be released to the public (why?)
-one woman from inside the pentagon who claimed that she saw a missile rather than a plane hitting said that she was approached while she was in hospital by men who refused to reveal their organization to her, who paid her to "shut up" and kept repeating to her over and over "a plane hit the building" as if trying to "brain wash her" she says
WTC:
-there were many witness reports of bomb/explosions going off in the buildings
-the buildings fell at nearly freefall speed which is unlikely to be achieved in any other situation other than controlled demolition
-in the video taping of the buildings falling you can see blowouts of windows far below where the building is collapsing
-World Trade Center building 7, which contained investigations into government fraud was around 300ft from the WTC buildings and was hit by nothing other than falling debris, yet it collapsed in nearly freefall speed. it is the 3rd steel frame building in history to have ever burned down, the first two being World Trade Centers 1 & 2
-it is alleged that the fires could not possibly be hot enough to even weaken the steel in the buildings in the time they had (around an hour) in order to cause a collapse, as the steel frames were some of the most advanced at the time. one of the firemen stated that he could have put out the flames with a hose
Flight 93:
-The coroner at the scene said that it looked like someone had dug a trench and dumped scrap metal in it, and that he ceased being a coroner as soon as he got there as there were no bodies. this was confirmed by other eye witness reports
-the phone calls could not have been made from a cell phone, and those released to the public are less than 4 minutes long despite some calls going for around 30 minutes and are very strange including one of the men saying "They've hijacked the plane.... You believe me don't you mom?" "Who are they?" "They've hijacked the plane... You believe me don't you mom?" "Who are they?"
the voices are allegedly reconstructed using advanced cloning technology
-osama bin laden did not confess to the 9/11 attacks as the video did not look like him, was right handed (Bin Laden is famously left handed) and wears jewelery, which is forbidden by islamic law. Bin Laden has also stated in other places that he was not responsible
-Larry Silverstein placed an insurance policy on his buildings 6 months before the attack specifically against terrorist attacks '
-There was a phone call between two government members (I can't remember who I think Condoleezza Rice and another) warning him not to fly the next morning (9/11)
And others. What do you think?
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posted June 25, 2007 08:46 PM |
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Absolute crap. This video has been debunked so many times it's not even worth discussing.
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posted June 25, 2007 09:07 PM |
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here's an amusing examination of Loose Change
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posted June 25, 2007 10:52 PM |
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Yes, I didn't think there were people who took this seriously.
Especially about the cruise missile, if that was what hit the pentagon, the hole would be a lot bigger. Cruise missiles explode, they don't make holes that small, and they definitely wouldn't punch through the whole building, they'd explode on contact. and I suppose that means Bush shot down the plane that crashed in Virginia, too, right?
Also, there's simply no way there'd only be 13 fighter jets in the entire US. That's like one squadron.There is absolutely no way they could all be removed, there'd be nowhere to put them. 13 ready to fly, maybe. But that makes sense. It's peacetime, and there's no reason to have hundreds of jets on alert.
FOG's explanation seems about right. The pictures of people removing airplane wreckage kinda takes the wind out of the "missile and no wreckage" theory.
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posted June 26, 2007 02:04 AM |
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posted June 26, 2007 05:02 AM |
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I never took a stance on this just posted what was in the video.
But I'd like to see some answers to these questions. Especially the osama video, why the video tapes of the pentagon were confiscated.
As for the pictures on FOGs website, they were mentioned in the movie as only pieces small enough to be carried by hand, no tail/wing sections etc. And the picture on the website is after the building collapsed the small hole. A picture of the building before it collapsed is in the movie.
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posted June 26, 2007 04:13 PM |
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I would like an answer to the question of how a missile that's designed to explode on impact penetrated through the Pentagon and only left a 16-foot hole. I would like an answer to the question of how there could've been only 13 fighters in the whole country. Like someone before me said, this has been debunked so much it's not even worth talking about. Heck, they made fun of it on South Park. When they do that, you know the vast majority of Americans think it's pretty stupid. They're ridiculed people on TV about it as well, and their stories just don't hold up. This whole thing is utter crap.
Also, what about in FOG's explanation, where they specifically stated the Loose Change guys cut out the part after the guy says the terrorist couldn't fly well, where he stated "But you don't have to be ****ing Chuck Yeager to crash an airplane". Seems like they were using quotes to their advantage their, without telling the full story. Calling this thing a documentary is stretching it.
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posted June 26, 2007 04:59 PM |
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I don't care about whether the other theories hold up I just want to know why the current theories don't hold up.
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posted June 26, 2007 05:06 PM |
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What current theories? It's been proven that the Twin Towers could've been brought down by an airplane crash. Trust me, "Loose Change" is absolute crap. If they say something, do not believe it. It's not taken seriously by anyone except the usual conspiracy theorists.
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posted June 26, 2007 05:08 PM |
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What about why the windows adjacent to the hole in the pentagon are still intact
Or why the government confiscated the video tapes of the plane hitting the pentagon
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posted June 26, 2007 05:31 PM |
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Well, if the windows were still intact, it wasn't caused by any explosion. A missile would have shattered the windows as well. So then, the only logical explanation is aliens. (And these windows look shattered to me. Also, they have to stop breaking somewhere.)Pentagon Crash Site
Also, I refer you to this. It goes over Loose Change, picks out the (few) good points, and all the (many) bad points.
Loose Change Analysis
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posted June 26, 2007 06:25 PM |
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I wasn't supporting a missile theory...... I mean if it were a missile where did the bodies come from
Just that in the movie it shows a picture where the windows next to the circular hole are intact.
Thanks for the link, that was what I was looking for 
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posted June 26, 2007 07:03 PM |
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That link is great but it agrees that the WTC buildings were consistent with a controlled demolition and that that was not Osama in the movie
It's more criticising the whole style of Loose Change than the idea..
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posted June 26, 2007 07:11 PM |
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Edited by Corribus at 19:23, 26 Jun 2007.
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What about why the windows adjacent to the hole in the pentagon are still intact
Interesting site, swamplord. In case you didn't see it, TA:
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Why are the windows next to the hole completely intact?
Maybe because they were made of blast-resistant polycarbonate nearly two inches thick?
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posted June 26, 2007 09:08 PM |
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Y'know, it's kinda funny that I found that link after 30 seconds of Google searching, and it actually works! The only thing is, if at least one crash is proven to be legitimately a terrorist operation, the likelihood of the others being a conspiracy goes way down.
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posted June 27, 2007 12:42 AM |
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I find it amusing that these conspiracy theorists think it's possible that the US government secretly planted explosives throughout the WTC buildings and managed to blow up a sizeable portion of the pentagon with a cruise missile AND hide every shred of evidence about it, killing thousands of its own citizens and causing countless dollars in damage in the process, but at the same time was unable or unwilling to hide a few WMDs in the middle of the Iraqi desert in order to justify the war in Iraq.
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posted June 27, 2007 02:03 AM |
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The comparison I was going to make was that supossedly the administration had the ability to hide all this stuff, but Bill Clinton couldn't hide the fact that he got a bj under the table.
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posted June 27, 2007 02:18 AM |
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There's a reason why there aren't any women on the Illuminati board of directors.
Clinton got done in by a jilted lover.
The guys who brought down the towers learned a long time ago to exclude women from the really good, world changing, conspiracies.
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posted June 27, 2007 03:22 AM |
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This movie is way too long for me to bother watching.
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posted June 27, 2007 04:29 AM |
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What about why the windows adjacent to the hole in the pentagon are still intact
Interesting site, swamplord. In case you didn't see it, TA:
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Why are the windows next to the hole completely intact?
Maybe because they were made of blast-resistant polycarbonate nearly two inches thick?
Yeah I saw it but I wouldn't have thought even blast-resistant polycarbonate nearly two inches thick could withstand the wings of a plane crashing into them... I dno though.
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